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Hello To all,
I don't know if there is another topic in this regard, I read today:

content from the 61.5° orbital will migrate to location 129° and 72.7° orbital locations.

(probably old news sorry for that)

Question:
Any information why they plan to shut down HD out of 61.5W? is this related with bird failures @ 61.5W? or space? or expansion latter?

Thanks in advance.
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TNGTony
61.5 was NEVER going to be completely removed. What Dish wanted to do is lose the 110/119/61.5 set-up and migrate everyone to eastern arc (77/72.7/61.5) or western arc (110/119/129). Those that said that 61.5° was going to be shut down completely misunderstood what they were told by Dish.
J
Well I have to add to this old thread, I just had a rep from Dish Upgrades tell me that 61.5 is going away but your explanation is more plausible!
daveg
Simple explanation: Dish has two groups of satellites in the sky 110, 119, & 129 (1000.2 Western Arc dish) and 61.5, 72.7, & 77 (1000.4 Eastern Arc dish). Each group of satellites offers Dish Network programming. Some people use part of both arcs (or groups of satellites) to get their programming. Dish is moving some channels on the Eastern Arc from on satellite (61.5) to another (72.7). The people using a hybrid of both arc need to be consolidated to one arc (110,119 & 129 or 61.5 , 72.7, 77) or to add the additional satellite (110, 119, 61.5 & 72.7). I hope that helps.
T
The last information I have regarding the channels migrating off 61.5 W (voluntarily) was back in March 2010. It was due to the fact that, at the time, the core and HD programming available on it was simulcast on 72.7 and 129 and this migration would free up bandwidth to offer more programming. I believe that this has actually happened out of sight, out of mind. Going over my master channel list I notice that there seems to be NO core programming on that satellite when available on another. I do see some international channels and the DISH Platinum channels on there, however. My information specifically excludes locals, as there are still locals on that satellite and those, from what I can tell, are not affected by any plans on migration (which is of course subject to change). I think it was part of the push around that time to offer more local DMA's (w/HD or HD potential). In fact here is some "official" information:

"Due to limited satellite resources and the need to launch more Local programming (both HD and SD) and more HD Core programming, it is necessary that we remove the HD Core, Premium, PPVs, and VOD channels off orbital location 61.5°."

To me that means the orbital is getting cleared of "repetitive" programming and that way more new goodies can be on the way. The real push was to get people to have either 72.7 W or 129 W in their array.

I believe that this information is still valid honestly, even with the recent issue at 77 W. Had to edit a bit here, didn't realize how old the OP was! DOH!
TNGTony
LOL! The problem remains that some dealers and representatives are either misunderstanding or at the very least leaving the subscriber with the misunderstanding that 61.5° is being shut down.

A little history to those that may care. When DBS satellite services were first envisioned, the idea was to have dozens of services out there. Remember at the time the average LARGE cable super-duper service had maybe 60 channels total. So the FCC only granted so many transponder locations per satellite location to any one company. There were a half-dozen viable satellite players including DirecTV, USSB, Primestar, ASkyB (Rupert Murdoch), Sky Angel, etc. Dish Network ended up with 21 transponders at 119°, 8 transponders at 61.5° several at 148° and even more at 157°.
In 1996 Dish launched to subscribers at 119°. Dish originally planned to have local channel service at 61.5° and 148° depending on where you lived.
In 1997 (or was it 1998?) Dish started launching local channels at 61.5. A deal with Sky Angel who owned 8 transponders at 61.5° gave Dish control of another 6 transponders at 61.5° so Dish started to load up locals and international channels at 61.5°. By 1999 Dish started putting stuff up on 148° for west coast residents.
Meanwhile a gigantic law suit between Dish and Rupert Murdoch was not going well for Murdoch. There was a settlement that essentially gave ALL of ASkyB's assets to Dish Network. Dish was now the proud owner of 29 transponders at 110° and two satellites still on the ground to operate from 110°. The Dish 500 was born soon after and a giant shift in strategy since there was a huge resistance by subscribers to having two dishes to get locals. This was the beginning of the first migration of stuff from 61.5° to 110° . For a while there 148° was completely abandoned as Echostar 4 (the most travelled satellite in the E* fleet) moved from 148° to 110° to provide temporary service until the new satellites could be launched. Dish Latino was the first thing there. This is when I added my third dish. America's Top 150 (at the time there was AT40 and AT60 (later AT100)) was introduced shortly after. AT40/50 and AT60/100 required only 119°, but AT150 required the new Dish 500 or two dishes.
But then... the laws allowing for locals via satellite kicked in which required that a satellite carrier to carry all local channels in a market they carry any local channels. Up until this point Dish carried only the big 4 networks of any local market they carried. So Dish once again employed 61.5° and 148° to carry "minor" local channels for larger markets. Here in Cincinnati ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox were at 110° but WB, UPN and 3 PBS were relegated to 61.5°.

61.5° was used for internationals, Sky Angel and "minor locals" for cities east of the Rockies. Essentially Dish wanted you with a Dish 500 for regular service and a second dish for 61.5° for those east of the rockies and a second dish at 148° for those west of the rockies.

But wait.... this new thing called High Definition is coming out. Change of tactics one more time helped along with new regulations requiring satellite carriers to have all locals from any one market receivable with a single dish antenna. So HD channels start being placed on 61.5° and a new satellite location acquired at 129°

Later Dish acquires 72.7° and 77° and the current Dish plan to have all customers in the western US on western arc 110/119/129 and all the eastern US customers on eastern arc 61.5/77/72.7.

So this is a long-winded explanation of why those of us who were so-called hybrid customers (61.5/110/119) had that set-up in the first place! It wasn't a hybrid set-up until March of last year. Up until the addition of TCM HD, BBC HD and several others to 129° or 72.7° the so-called hybrid set-up at 110/119/61.5 was the regular set-up. Things change and it sometimes sucks. I just hope this 77° issue doesn't change things again!
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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rvvaquero
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Y
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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b4pjoe
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
rvvaquero
Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
meStevo
Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
HipKat
Balls
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Bucs. Got Baker back and absolutely demolished the previously surprising Panthers.
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Rams. Finally looked the part. Mind you against the hapless Cards.
Cowboys. Fireworks performance from their O.
Dolphins. Finally logged in a W. There won't be many. Enjoy it, Miami fans.
Browns. Still atop the AFC North.
Giants. Epic OT win with Buffalo's very own Motor Singletary finishing it off.
Seattle. Dominated KC from start to finish.

Goats
Jets. Couldn't beat the winless Dolphins. Aaron Glenn is a dead man walking.
Eagles. Injured beyond repair
Ravens and Lamar. Has he ever played a full season? Honestly, dude is fragile. Of course he's back for the Bills game.
49ers. No longer undefeated.
Colts. A sh*t show. When are they gonna realize that Daniel Jones is ass?
Steelers vs Saints game. Ass, just ass all around. Those poor people in Paris have had enough lately, and on top of that, endure that game.
Chiefs. They looked terrible. Like really bad.
Pack vs. Detroit game refs. Some of the worst refereeing I've seen in a long time. And the sample is pretty large.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Dancing Days - Led Zeppelin
dishstaller
Dancing in the Street - Van Halen
long_time_Dish
Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
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Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
Let me fix that for you:
Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty
EatMyVolts
The 59th Street Bridge Song -- Simon & Garfunkel
M
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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Mister B
What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.

They might notice the hand going into their pocket for their wallet.
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navychop
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
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S
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
TRG
TRG
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dishdude
It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.
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I am 1 that wants the AM to Stay ....
That said, since '08 I have had Sat radio available to me ... I think I have turned on AM 3 or 4 times, just to see if its still there.

Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Even FM, I haven't really had on since '13ish, I may turn it on from time to time, just to see if its still there.
harshness
Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Automation has seen to that. You can't get evening drive traffic reports where I live, much less disaster reports.
dishstaller
Very rarely listen to FM any more
That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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Jimbo
That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
dishstaller
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.
S
Haven't listened AM or FM in years
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osu1991
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
JSheridan
Lifetime Supporter
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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S
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Jimbo
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Mister B
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
S
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
can't forget the little blue m&m's
charlesrshell
can't forget the little blue m&m's
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
T
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Foxbat
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
T
But how is it reusable if it's disposable
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
Almighty1
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.
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ment to 20 yrs dam phone
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