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B.J.
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Just one day after having the weird coax failure on my BUD, I decided to go on to my next project, which was to move my 90CM Fortec / SG2100 up to the roof of my garage, where it will have a better view of the sky. I had already installed the pipe I was going to mount it on, so I figured, that I'd just detach the motor from the pole in the ground, and put it on the pole on the roof, then turn the whole thing on the pole until the channel I had been watching popped in. Simple. Yeah... right.
Well, I moved the motor/dish assembly up onto the roof as planned, but I had a really hard time finding any sat. After fighting with the thing for about 3 hours, I finally found a couple sats in the tuning page of my receiver, but when I switched back to the TV page to view the channel, I lost lock. This was sort of why I was having problems finding lock, because the signal seemed to be coming and going. But THEN, I lost ALL signal, not only on the Fortec dish, but also on my fixed Primestar dish, which is fed through the same diseqC switch. Signal was ZERO, not even any baseline noise signal. Normally this happens when my diseqC switch dies, so I put in another switch. Same thing. Put in yet another switch. Same thing. Then I bypassed the switch altogether. Same thing, zero signal. THEN, I bypassed the SG2100 motor..... SIGNAL. So somehow the motor had stopped passing through the signal. I started to pull off the short coax that goes from the motor to the diseqC switch, and I noticed that the connector on the motor was loose. FOOEY, I thought.

This had happened to me once before, and is apparently a well known problem with the SG2100. Before, I was able to take the thing apart, and found that all I needed to do was unscrew the threaded part of the connector, back off the nut, then screw it in tightly, then tighten up the nut, that I could fix the problem, because there was really no wire to break off in there, it was just a contact connection. So I went out this morning in the rain, up on the roof with an umbrella, took the dish off the motor, and the motor off the pole, brought it inside, took it apart, fixed the connection, back out in the rain. Put the motor/dish back up. Came inside. ZERO signal!@$%#^@*)@*
I thought FOOEY, I should have checked to make sure it worked before I put it back. So back up the ladder in the rain. Dish off motor, motor off pole, brought it inside. Took it apart. Checked conductivity... checked out ok ????? Connected an 18V power source (Channel Master Meter), and the motor lit up, and the power was getting through to the LNB connector. So I hooked it up inside, receiver to the motor, and the LNB connection of the motor to the LNB on my fixed Primestar.
When I touched the center conductor of the coax to the LNB connector, I instantly got a lock on the receiver, however when I pushed the coax completely in, so that the ground made contact, then I LOST lock. No S/Q. HOWEVER, when I put on another coax to the LNB connector, and then connected the other end of THAT coax to the coax to the LNB via a barrel connector, THEN, I got a good lock, and I could make the motor move from position to position via the receiver while it was sitting on my lap.
It seems clear that I have a loose connection somewhere, but now that it's working, I can wiggle every connection and never lose signal. Everything seems solid.
I hate to have to move that thing back up on the roof, and find that it doesn't work again, but the darn thing works fine here in the house. This is really confusing.

Also, in the process of taking this motor apart several times, I realized that I think I have been completely wrong about how this darn motor works, and am confused about some other things relating to the motor, but I'll make a separate post about that. Right now, I'm just trying to figure out where the intermittant connection is on this motor. \
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B.J.
Just as an update to the above. I bought a new SG2100, a new diseqC switch, and 1000' of new copper coax. I thought that this HAS to fix the thing.
I put the new motor up, and installed the new diseqC switch, but decided to try it out before running the new coax. DIDN'T WORK. Took the motor out of the loop, just going through the diseqC switch...... NO SIGNAL. At this point, I was really confused. Only thing left was that with the long coax run, I didn't have enough diseqC signal to run the switch, but that didn't make sense, so I decided to try a different receiver. So instead of running the thing off my Diamond 9000 STB, I connected it to my TeVii USB receiver. Darn thing worked! At least through the switch (didn't try the motor). So I figured that the steel core coax must be stopping the low freq diseqC signal. So today, I ran the new 264' of copper core coax. Hooked everything up. DIDN'T WORK!?!?! Bypassed the motor. Didn't work through the diseqC switch. Bypassed the switched. GOOD SIGNAL. Switched over to my Genpix receiver. Worked with the switch. Switched to the Diamond... didn't work.
So it seemed like my Diamond was messed up, whereby, it can't send signal to control the diseqC switch, even though it worked OK to move the motor, which is also diseqC. I looked at the DC/diseqC with my Channel Master meter while connected to the Diamond, and it was jumping all over the place, DC was going on and off on/off/on/off. Anyway, I was about to pull the Diamond receiver out, and put my Coolsat 8100 back in, but tried the Diamond once more, just to get some voltage readings. Thing popped into lock, and has been working ever since.

I am real confused, but it seems like my Diamond is just working some times and not working other times. I may still replace the thing with my Coolsat, and open it up and see if there are any capacitors leaking or something, as it seems to be power related, but I need to get the dish aligned for a program I want to watch tomorrow and another one on Thursday, so I'll probably put that off.
But anyway, I'm startig to make progress diagnosing the problems anyway.
Neat about the new coax. I've always been a bit unsure of exactly how long my coax runs were, just estimating. But this new coax has length markings in feet every couple feet, so I got the whole thing accurately measured, so next time I can just measure out the right length of coax, and not have to pull little by little off the roll, and/or I can measure out and pull 2 lengths at the same time. The new copper coax has about 1/2 the resistance of the old stuff.
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That's a whopper of a cable run bj, more than double any of mine. I guess I would expect problems with anything that far, but I know it's not a record at all for some of our members. You have the best coax for a long run now so it's probably not the length. Sounds like flaky receiver with the diamond. I hate those intermittent problems the most, if something is going to tear up, I'd rather it just blow up so I can toss it!
Tron
That IS a long cable run for RG-6. RG-11 might be better for such a long run, but the stuff isn't cheap. The fittings are very expensive as well, and require a special tool to terminate the cable.
Cadsulfide
BJ; I used to have anomalous problems with my setup (long runs, copper clad coax) until I went to bandstacked lnb's and powered switches. Pendragons posts on using and modifying powered switches is excellent. I use a pair of powered DP34's and a SW22 on my Azbox and it runs cool as a cucumber. IMHO most FTA receivers don't have the power supplies to run a lot of stuff before choking. Another added benefit is the lnb's are always powered, less drift.
B.J.
Well, I was just about to re-open my FIRST wierd failure post, because I just had another one today. I have to think that in some way this multitude of problems I've run into in the past month or so have to be related. But first to this response...
I do prefer, when possible to have the LNBs powered all the time, although that does make the use of any 22KHz switch I've used impossible, just because I've only used cheap switches that don't have enough isolation between the two ports to keep signal from the unused but powered port out. I'm sure it would work with high quality switches though. But I used to keep my C/Ku system powered via analog receiver, up until I had the weird failure of the Ku band coax for no apparent reason, so I've been running my C/Ku BUD off my Azbox using one coax and a diseqC switch for the past month or so. I DON'T, however like the idea of switching to anything bandstacked. With my long run, I think I'm lucky to get the 950-1450 band down my coax, let alone trying to get the higher band down. I think I'll eventually get my BUD back to having both LNBs constantly powered eventually, once I get my coax situation stabilied, but doing that with my motorized Fortec dish won't be quite as easy, but it might be possible with the proper powered switches since I'm using a QPH-031 that has 2 linear and 2 circular ports, so I could have 2 13V and 2 18V ports feeding the switch. However right now, one of my linear ports seem to not be working well, so I don't think I can do it right now.

However, on to my latest weird problem. As mentioned above, since my first weird failure, I've had the following configuration:

BUD---C/Ku/Fixed Primestar ====DiseqC switch---------------splitter--Azbox and PC receivers (power via Abox).
90CM Fortec --linear/circular/Fixed Primestar ====DiseqC switch -----splitter Diamond 9000& PC receivers (power via Diamond)

Ie two linear QPH-031 ports on Fixed Primestar/AMC-21 go to both BUD and Ku diseqC switches.

Since moving my 90CM and moving/replacing my Orbitron with a new SAMI, I had coax cables running all over the ground out by the dishes, which was not going over very well with the wife. So yesterday, I dug some trenches to bury conduit to put the coax into. Basically, the coax came out of a conduit where my 90CM used to be located, so I dug a trench from there over to my fixed Primestar, then from my Primestar over to our garage where the 90CM is now, and I also have conduit going from the Primestar over to the new SAMI BUD.
Fishing the coax to the 90CM wasn't going to be a problem, but to run the multiple wires going to the BUD was going to be difficult, since there was a big ribbon cable and a new run of RG6, and the ribbon cable had both polarotor wires and actuator power and sensor wires in addition to coax, all of which were up in the air, and would have to be disconnected to fish them through the new conduit.
So I decided NOT to disconnect ANY of the wires going to the BUD.
To do this, I ran a circular saw down the several engths of conduit, which was 2 1/2" schedule 40 conduit, cutting a slot through one side of the conduit. The kerf of the cut wasn't wide enough to slip coax or ribbon cable through, so I had to expand the slot using a pry bar, slipping spacers into the slot to hold the slot open wide enough to get the wires in. I had to put the spacers every 8 or 10", because the conduit was very rigid, and tended to close back up everywhere that there wasn't a spacer. Yesterday, I got the cable into the conduit leading to the Primestar, and everything was working fine. Today, I back filled that trench, and ran the two wires through smaller conduit over to my 90CM, which required disconnecting the main coax, and the coax running from the diseqC switch to my Primestar. Everything STILL working OK after I back filled THAT trench.
THEN, however, I again used the kerf in the conduit technique to get the wires going from the area of the Primestar over to the BUD, ie ribbon cable and RG6. I spent about a half hour slipping the cable into the conduit, then coiled up the excess to make it neater to make the wife happy. Went inside, thinking I was done, only to look at the TV, which HAD been playing PBS coming from the diseqC switch on the BUD, and the signal was gone! Confused, since I had never disconnected this line, I tried both C and Ku and Primestar Ku, ALL were dead. Pulled out my meter to check power coming out of the Azbox, and it was showing the proper voltage. Went out to the dish, checked the voltage there.... NOTHING. FOOEY I thought, I figured that I must have crimped one of the coaxes in the very tight kerf ot the conduit. So I switched to the spare coax I had just run out there. Still NOTHING!?!?! Went inside, checked voltage at Azbox again.... proper voltage there. Only other place that seemed likely was a barrel connector that I had in my basement near my computers, that connected the coax from the dish to a short 10' jumper that went upstairs to my Azbox. Checked that, and NO VOLTAGE. Connected the line from the dish to my Twinhan down there, and it worked fine.
So I replaced the 10' jumper coax with a new one, and everything was working fine again!

Anyway, it was really weird that this setup has been working in this configuration for over a month with no problems, but I go outside and do nothing but slip the wires into a conduit, and the I get a complete failure, not of the wires out where I was working, but inside next to my Azbox!

The ONLY thing that I can figure out that makes sense relates to one thing I didn't mention above, and that is, that when I went to connect the coax from my Primestar to the diseqC switch on the 90CM fortec, that it wasn't quite long enough once going through the conduit, so I didn't re-connect that line. So what I was thinking was that perhaps there was a bad ground in the coax jumper to the Azbox, but the Azbox was getting it's ground via the Primestar, which was connected to both the BUD system AND the 90CM system, but when I removed the coax to the 90CM, perhaps I was removing the ground for the Azbox????
Anyway, that's the only explanation I can come up with. Now, with the new jumper wire, everything is working better than ever, my wife is happy with the way the yard is looking with most of the wires buried, and life is back to normal. But I have to wonder if somehow that bad jumper wire might have somehow been related to some of my other problems. I'm trying to remember where that jumper was located when I first started moving my dishes around, but I have so many runs of coax here that I'm not sure what I had connected to what.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
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Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
jsmit86
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
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Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
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I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
Nominal
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

Take
Me to the River - Talking Heads
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Blinded By The Light - Manfred Mann's Earth Band
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I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren
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Little Bit Of Light - Strange Weather
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A Little Bit of Soap -- The Jarmels
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Two Chicago style hot dogs and a Fanta orange soda.
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Little mini pepperoni pizza, green beans, apples and chocolate milk.
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Fanta orange soda.
Sitting in fridge cooling off, bought 1 along with 2 Mexican Cokes at La Tienda... (I keep a few cokes stashed as well as in fridge and camper fridge)
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Garlic cheese bread
Green beans
Apples
Chocolate Milk
Some weird noodles. ;)
(They have salad and a couple other fruits if wanted)
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Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.
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Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
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Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld
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The Tokra pt 1, I know pt 2 will be next...
(came across on Pluto tv live, went to media server for "clean" version)
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
osu1991
long_time_Dish
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.