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VITS lines visible on television from broadcast signal

I recently purchased a Vizio LCD TV and have visible VITS lines on the top of the screen while watching broadcast TV. It's predominately on one channel but I don't see it at all times on that channel and it's visible on other channels occasionally. Vizio is telling me the TV is fine and it's the TV station or my antenna. This particular TV doesn't have any user adjustment of the picture position or size while watching broadcast TV. I'm guessing the TV picture is under sized and / or it's not centered correctly but since it's primarily but not always one channel it's hard for me to argue with Vizio. I have no idea how it could be my antenna. I think their antenna comment is a red hering.
Does this sound like the TV or the stations? Is there a spec on where the VITS lines are broadcast such that they should never be seen on the TV screen?
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jscud
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mmcleod said:
Does this sound like the TV or the stations? Is there a spec on where the VITS lines are broadcast such that they should never be seen on the TV screen?
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It is the TV, but it can be easily fixed. Go into the Vizio Setup Menu and increase the vertical size of the picture.
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TheKrell
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No it is not the TV, nor the antenna! Meinename is 100% correct. Many stations screw up their analog conversion by sending the entire 525 lines, VBI and all, to their digital encoders. The VBI data, such as CC, should (and usually is since this is the law) captured and sent out over a separate digital data stream in the ATSC signal. This should not also be encoded as pictures of data in the video data stream. That's just plain stupid. They should only be digitizing 480 lines of video, not all 525.

Those who have never seen this on their HDTV have what I regard as an unacceptably crappy TV, because it's cropping the signal. What an HDTV should be doing is displaying all of the 480, or 720, or 1080, lines on their digital screen. They should not be discarding part of the picture to compensate for imbeciles at broadcast TV stations.

Sorry for my heated words above. It makes about as much sense to put out a picture of CC data over a digital signal as it does putting up pictures of words on the web. Why why why?
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Larry1
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TheKrell said:
What an HDTV should be doing is displaying all of the 480, or 720, or 1080, lines on their digital screen. They should not be discarding part of the picture to compensate for imbeciles at broadcast TV stations.
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I often thought that this is what they do, but when I went to a TV store and compared the Panasonic to LG TV's, they were cropped differently. Now the signal was from a satellite box so maybe the ATSC picture would be the same and the cropping was particular to the factory setup of the input.
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mmcleod said:
Does this sound like the TV or the stations? Is there a spec on where the VITS lines are broadcast such that they should never be seen on the TV screen?
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It's the station's fault.

It's not easy to ensure that vertical position of SD programming and HD programming are synchronous. HD sync generators have outputs of tri-level sync used by HD equipment and burst black for SD equipment. If analog equipment is converted to digital the conversion equipment often adds three lines of delay. That places the closed captioning on line 24 instead of line 21 in equipment that takes vertical sync from a reference, but video comes from the input source.

The solution is to delay the tri-level sync by three lines as compared to burst black. Native SD-SDI equipment can be re-timed three lines delayed or may need delayed black burst for a reference signal.

http://www.ensembledesigns.com/products/avenue/5400
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Thanks to No Static At All, the STRETCH screen took care of the flickering on the top of my Vizio TV pictureIt was the simplest & most effective solution!
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How things have changed

I was reading this article

thehill.com

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Bruce said:
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?
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But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
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Jimbo said:
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
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Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
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Bruce said:
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.
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If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
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Jimbo said:
If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?


If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.
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Nielsen Streaming Ratings: Third-party measurement firm Nielsen tracks U.S. streaming viewership, releasing weekly reports that measure total minutes viewed across major television sets, broken down by program (such as original, acquired, and movie content) rather than minute-by-minute audience retention curves.
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Jimbo said:
Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...
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Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.
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Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...
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Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
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Jimbo
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savarese04 said:
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.
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I have turned some off, not others ...
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Jimbo said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u4rACh-Tt5k?feature=share
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Funny thing is that as the screen size and pic quality increase, the quality of the programming has DEcreased.
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
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Yespage said:
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
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No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
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Jimbo said:
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
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I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
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Ronnie- said:
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
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Yep, wonder why we rank the top 25 in 2 poles still? Do the ranking change much if they are unranked or have many loses? They sure do, any given day never take your opponent as a cake walk.....
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Ronnie- said:
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
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Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.
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The problem with rankings and playoffs is that they are designed to hype the game and make money. Period.

The only reason that BYU and Texas Tech were upsets is that they were hyped up in the standings in the first place. I love watching BYU and Bear Bachmeier. They are a fun and talented team, but not nearly so strong, fast, big, and skilled as a true top ten team. Does anyone truly believe they could compete with the likes of Georgia, Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama, etc.? Yet, they were ranked above those teams.

Each year, there are 10 to 12 teams who truly could compete for the championship if it depended on winning more than one game in a playoff. Including teams like James Madison, Tulane, BYU, etc. in a playoff has nothing to do with determining a national champion. It's just about money.
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Jimbo said:
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time
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Yes. As shown in a few posts now.


Jimbo said:
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

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But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
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Ronnie- said:
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.



But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
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No, no ... if you want to make the playoffs, you want to Win it ... If you want to Win it, you need to Win 4-5 games in a row against Top 10 teams for the most part, theres a Possibility you'd play someone out side of the Top 10, but not much.

The Playoffs is a 4-5 game Win or Go Home.
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