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Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Logitech Revue with GoogleTV – A Diamond in the Rough
Review by Scott Greczkowski​

A few years ago while writing for MultiChannel News I said the Internet is the future of television, and boy did I get a lot of flak from people for saying that.

It has been a few years since I wrote that and now the first real merging of the Internet and television is beginning to happen. GoogleTV is the platform that is the first to merge your main television service (whether it's cable or satellite) together with the Internet and do it all using only one input on your TV.

The first consumer GoogleTV appliance is just hitting the markets from Logitech and it is called the Revue. Thanks to the folks at DISH Network I was sent a Revue to review.

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When I received my Logitech Revue I was surprised how small it was, I found it hard to believe that there was a keyboard and the Revue unit in the small box. But in the neatly packed box there it was the wireless keyboard, a HDMI cable, power adapter, power cord, IR blaster, envelope with setup instructions and the Revue unit itself.

Hookup of the Revue was simple. I unplugged the HDMI from the back of my TV and plugged it into the HDMI in port on the Revue, then took the included HDMI cable and hooked it to the HDMI out port on the Revue and connected it to the back of my television. I then hooked up an Ethernet cable from my hub to the Revue for its internet connection. (I could have used WIFI as well, but I chose to hardwire it to the net since I had the connection available.) I plugged in the power adapter and flipped the power switch on, on the back of the wireless keyboard. Within a few seconds I saw the Logitech Revue logo on my screen, a smile came across my face in delight.

Shortly after seeing the Revue logo I saw a GoogleTV logo and then was welcomed and taken to setup. The setup was a 12 step process that took about 15 minutes to complete, but was simple enough that anyone could do it.

Part of the process was setting up my DISH Network DVR to work with the REVUE. In the setup it saw all my DISH Network DVR's on my network then asked me which one I was using with the Revue. A few seconds later I saw a picture from my DVR on the screen with a code that I was asked to type into the box on the Revue. Once the code was entered my DVR was now paired with the Revue.

The Revue's wireless keyboard can control your satellite or cable receiver, your television and your AV receiver. For this review I did not use an AV Receiver as I had the Revue hooked directly to my television.

After a brief software download I was welcomed and shown a video welcoming me. After the welcome video displayed I was then taken to the main menu and given a few tips. After I went through all 5 tips I was left at the main menu on my own. I must admit when I got here I was nervous and unsure what to do next. Then, like a kid in a candy store, I then clicked on a bunch of stuff trying everything out. There was so much to do it was almost overwhelming for me.

The first stop was checking the DISH Network integration with GoogleTV. I hit the button to put the Revue in live TV mode and was taken to live video from my DISH Network 722k. My wife commented to me that the picture looked a little fuzzier than normal. I unplugged the HDMI from the Revue and plugged it into my TV directly and noticed the picture was sharper coming direct from my 722k. Then I plugged it back into the GoogleTV and again noticed it was not as clear. Then I looked at my TV screen and hit the info button on my TV remote and noticed that the GoogleTV was up-converting all the 1080i video to 1080p. I went into the settings and turned the resolution down to 1080i and my picture was once again crisp and sharp.

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Once we had the picture cleared up we then tried the integration with the 722k. First thing we did was hit the search button and searched for more information about the show we were watching, which at the time was Mythbusters. All kinds of information came back on the show plus links for watching other episodes of the show including direct links to purchase old episodes from Amazon.com. We played with this feature for awhile looking up different shows, the stars of the shows, and enjoyed reading a number of WIKI articles about the show we were interested in. It was a fun feature.

The next thing we did was hit the home button and scrolled down to the QUEUE option, here we could see all recordings on the 722k and even all the recordings on the external hard drive! We could select any show from the list and it would start playing instantly.

Another DISH integration feature was seeing what's on, it gave you listings for all the channels, plus you could see what was on by category. Additionally you could set timers on your DVR from the Revue. DISH Network is charging $4 a month extra to have this functionality.

The Logitech Revue comes with a number of built in Applications, such as CNBC Real Time, the Google Chrome Web Browser, Logitech Media Player, Netflix and Pandora. The number of application is limited at the moment but this will change next year when you can install apps from the Google Apps store. The best app of the lot is the CNBC Real-Time which shows the power of having an internet connected television is about. The CNBC Real-Time app lets you check your stocks in an easy to use interface plus if your stock is talked about on CNBC next to the quote you can click on it and watch video of them talking about your stock choice.

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I was highly disappointed with the Netflix application. I have used Netflix on a lot of devices and the version of Netflix on the Revue is the worst I have used. First, it only lets you view shows or movies which you have selected to watch in your instant view queue. You cannot add movies or shows from within the Netflix application. If you want to add shows or movies you need to exit the app and go into Google Chrome and add to your queue via the Netflix website. Secondly, the picture quality from the Netflix app is the worst quality I have experienced from any Netflix enabled appliance. Just to make sure there was nothing wrong with my internet connection I tried Netflix on my PS3, my ROKU and my WDTV Live Plus boxes, and all of them blew away the Netflix quality on the Revue. The good news is that this is a software issue and I have a feeling we will see the Netflix app updated to match the other Netflix enabled clients in short order.

The most disappointing application for me was the Logitech Media Player. The Logitech Media Player allows you to play multimedia files from your network or attached USB storage. In my tests the Revue was unable to play most of the video files I threw at it. To be fair it was stated on the video playback screen that "Video playback is now in beta. Some video formats are not supported." Most of my audio files played fine however, but I found no way to create a playlist or do a shuffle play of songs. With a few thousand songs in my collection I don't want to hear them played one after another in alphabetical order. Because most of my music is from iTunes the Revue did not display the album artwork for any of my songs. Again like the Netflix app, this is a software issue so I expect it to get updated and be more usable in the near future.

There is also a basic Twitter application built in and while basic it gets the job done. You are supposed to be able to press the star button on the keyboard and tweet what you´re watching however every time I tried in the tweet box it would just display the 4 letter abbreviation of the channels I was watching (i.e. DISC for Discovery channel) or it wouldn't work at all.

There are two separate on demand services available currently through the Revue, from Amazon.COM and from DISH Network. The Amazon VOD was very well laid out and friendly on the eyes, while the DISH Network was highly blank with very limited selection. The DISH Cinema listings just showed the title of the movie and under the title said "FVOD." Selecting a movie from DISH Cinema showed you a very brief description and clicking on it again asked you to confirm your order and showed you the price. There was no preview of the movie nor was there an expanded description of the movie. I don't get how DISH Network keeps managing to put out such a terrible VOD product, it is my feeling this is something the company should excel at... and this is not just a problem on the GoogleTV platform it is like this on all of their VOD enable devices.

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An interesting section on the Revue is a selection called Spotlight. Spotlight is a menu of websites which have been customized for GoogleTV enabled devices. The best one is a site called TuneIn Radio. TuneIn Radio lets you listen to live audio streams from many radio stations from around the world! TuneIn Radio is quick to connect and makes it easy to find the station you want to listen to. The interface is designed for the GoogleTV and works extremely well! This is one of my favorite sites on the Revue box. Another very good GoogleTV optimized site is CNET. CNET offers lots of technology news and reviews. The interface is clean and easy to use and the content is very good!

In the center of the Spotlight menu is an icon for HBO GO. When you click on it, it tells you that you can Sign Up for HBO Go and it's FREE with your HBO subscription. I was like COOL so I clicked the sign up button and was then asked to select my TV provider. The only selections were Comcast Cable and Verizon Fios. I selected other since I have DISH Network and got a message that HBO Go was not available from my television provider. I was kind of upset about that.

In my trials of the Logitech Revue I also used the new Harmony Remote App for the Android platform on my Sprint Evo. This app let me control all of the functions of my Logitech Revue on my phone. Many times I found myself using my phone more than the keyboard. It also has some cool features as well, for example if I am on my phone watching a YouTube video I can press a button and send the video to be shown on my TV screen. In addition it also gave me full control of all functions on my television.

OVERALL THOUGHTS


I said it before I will say it again, Internet television is the future of television, and I truly believe that Logitech Revue is a diamond in the rough.

I do feel that the GoogleTV platform was rushed to the market in order to be available for the holiday season. The software feels unfinished and this is very noticeable as you try applications such as Netflix and the Media player. But the Revue is usable in this state and will continue getting better as time goes on.

The hardware itself however works and works well. The keyboard was well thought out and is comfortable to use, however for TV watching I found it easier and more convenient to using my phone as a remote to control things. The only time I used the keyboard is when I was doing a lot of searching or browsing the Internet. The keyboard can also control your TV and AV receiver which is a plus. I found myself grabbing the keyboard a few times when the volume on the TV was too loud.

The DISH Network integration is neat, however I don't find myself using them that often. If I want to look at the guide, set a timer or see what´s on my DVR it´s much easier to use the DISH Network remote then use the Google TV interface. I feel that the $4 a month charge for this integration is too high. I would consider paying for it if it was 99 cents, but I feel $4 is way too high for what it does. Without paying the fee you can still search and control your DISH receiver but you don't get the TV listings, the list of what´s on your DVR or set timers. For me I am ok with that.

I know that certain networks are blocking GoogleTV appliances at the moment and that didn't affect me at all, although I would love to see them add Hulu support in the future.

My wish list for future features are as follows:

- GMAIL application with on screen notifications of new mail
- Email support application for external email with on screen notification of new mail
- On screen notification of new tweets from Twitter
- Support for more video types including ISO files.

I feel even with the software flaws at the moment if you get the $179 deal from DISH Network it is still worth it. Do not think of the Logitech Revue as the next generation of WebTV as it is so much more than that. It does a lot today and will do so much more tomorrow. Even with its flaws the device is extremely usable and will get better over time.

I believe that the Logitech Revue is a diamond in the rough and over time you will watch it get polished right in front of your eyes. The Logitech Revue with GoogleTV is the future of television.
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meStevo
Nothing at CES was encouraing to me, the Marvell demo boxes that will be powering all the future GoogleTV boxes were just as slow and apparently under powered as what we have now.

Google is making an announcement tomorrow about Google TV, I expect it will be new hardware or a new refresh/direction for the initiative.

Edit: looks like maybe everyone was expecting too much from the platform that has always promised so much... might just be an updated Youtube app. http://googletv.blogspot.com/2012/02/new-updates-to-youtube-for-google-tv.html
TheKrell
This is their big announcement?
GaryPen
They have no conception of scale there. EVERYTHING is a big deal to them. (until they get bored with it or can't make it work. Then, it just sits ignored in the bottom of their toy box.)
meStevo
Yeah, it's like a Youtube product manager got ahold of the Google TV Facebook to promote the app and posted a generic 'big announcement, yay!' message. Might be a big deal for them, but it's not in the grand scheme of things for the platform. What a disappointment.

Google is testing some sort of appliance though, will be interested in what that might be. They've gotten a 2nd approval I think for 100+ in-home tests in employees homes for it.
ScottChez
TheKrell said:
Yup, that works. I was looking at a live view of downtown Denver, since the news isn't on right now. Fullscreen works, and it didn't look half bad other than being kind of hazy. Perhaps their canned videos are compressed too much for my 42" screen.

Wow. KUSA TV. 9News looks to be in HD on google tv streaming on the web
Smuuth
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Classifieds

WANTED  DirecTV LCC

Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.
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b4pjoe
Anyone have a DirecTV Local Channel Connector that you'd like to get rid of at a reasonable price? DirecTV is currently in a contract dispute with owner of my local ABC affiliate.
You should ask DIRECTV for one if you are affected by the dispute. I know in the past they have given them out during a dispute. Not sure if they still do that but it is free to ask.
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You should ask DIRECTV for one if you are affected by the dispute. I know in the past they have given them out during a dispute. Not sure if they still do that but it is free to ask.
I already asked, but the CS agent said they wouldn't do it. They said the only thing they could do is $10/month bill credit.
Jimbo
I already asked, but the CS agent said they wouldn't do it. They said the only thing they could do is $10/month bill credit.
Take the $10 and Call Back ...
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Take the $10 and Call Back ...
I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results. 🤬
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I did that. The response was that the LCC is not available. Escalated the issue to a tech support person with the same results. 🤬
Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.

If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.
I would make them give you a real answer, don't let them off the hook.


I had one, and it worked well, but I believe I gave it to another D* friend (also had a AM21), I know I gave them away ...
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Could be out of them I guess ... I'd keep trying, every 3-4 days.

If they are not out of them as them WHY you can't get one, seeing Your in a Dispute. Thats what they are for.
According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit. 🙄
Jimbo
According to the tech support guy, they don't have any in stock. He said I should receive an email when and if they have them. I even told him I would accept a refurbished unit. 🙄
I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.
Smuuth
I'm not sure your going to find any Refurbished ones as D* doesn't ask for them back.
Yeah, I know. At one point, I even had 3 AM21s but gave them away when I got rid of my last HR54 and switched to the HS17.
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Good luck they haven't made them in years. you could poke around on ebay and see if there's any on there. if not why not a tablo or a zapper box with an antenna connected to it
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Good luck they haven't made them in years. you could poke around on ebay and see if there's any on there. if not why not a tablo or a zapper box with an antenna connected to it
I have my OTA antenna connected to my television directly already so watching is not the issue. The reason I want the LCC is so I could record programs if I'm not at home to watch them live, especially since ABC is carrying both the NBA and NHL playoffs.
I have an active search on eBay and there is one there but he wants $180 plus shipping and I am not going to pay that.
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I have my OTA antenna connected to my television directly already so watching is not the issue. The reason I want the LCC is so I could record programs if I'm not at home to watch them live, especially since ABC is carrying both the NBA and NHL playoffs.
I have an active search on eBay and there is one there but he wants $180 plus shipping and I am not going to pay that.
a tablo box is cheaper
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why invest in hardware that's going to be boat anchors in a few years?
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Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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Does cable charge box rent?
R
Does cable charge box rent?
The cable company I was with years ago did charge $9.99 for a receiver.

RJ T.
From Illinois
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Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
I went to try to add the Heartland channel as dummy to see what it would do for me as I own my receiver and have DISH Outdoors and this is what mine shows. (Note however I had to take the 2nd receiver I told you I added the other day off because I was told you can only have 1 receiver when you have a one outlet on the Dish Playmaker and was having issues with the 2nd receiver and I didn't know that and that was done yesterday as well so I am back to one receiver.)

Let's upgrade your package.

Your monthly bill will increase by $6.00 per month.

Breakdown

June 11, 2026 - July 11, 2026
You are changing your programming in the middle of the bill cycle. The bill shown below is your bill for next month including prorations and credits. Your following bill will return to the fixed rate. This bill will take effect from now until July 11, 2026.
Monthly Services
$86.99

Flex Pack
$72.99
Local Channels
$14.00
Add-Ons
$68.98

National Action Pack
$12.00
Regional Action Pack
$12.00
News Pack
$10.00
Paramount+ with Showtime
$10.00
Drama and Classics Pack
$6.00
Heartland Pack
$6.00
Starz Encore Movies
$6.00
On DISH Magazine
$4.99
Starz 2 Mo ($11)
$1.99
Prorated Charges
$7.93

Heartland Pack Jun 11 - Jul 20
$7.93
Order Total
$7.93

Prorated Total
$7.93
Due Today
$7.93

Transition Bill Total
$156.10
Proposed Changes

Your monthly bill will increase by $6.00 per month
Monthly Services
$86.99
Add-Ons
$68.98
FCC Regulatory Surcharge
$0.13
Taxes & Surcharges
$0.00

Monthly Total
$156.10
Prorated Total
$7.93
Order Total
$7.93

Due Today
$7.93

Sounds like an issue with DISH Billing

RJ T.
From Illinois

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zippyfrog
I asked again, and the rep I talked to said it is a glitch and that "Access for TV" shouldn't be there - the rep pulled up my future month bills and that charge isn't on it. So I am not going to worry about it right now, but it will be interesting to see when the price changes happen later this year. Will this line item show up? The fact that it is a specific item that is different from anything makes me think it is more than a glitch. But we shall see.
R
I asked again, and the rep I talked to said it is a glitch and that "Access for TV" shouldn't be there - the rep pulled up my future month bills and that charge isn't on it. So I am not going to worry about it right now, but it will be interesting to see when the price changes happen later this year. Will this line item show up? The fact that it is a specific item that is different from anything makes me think it is more than a glitch. But we shall see.
I am hoping they don't add this down the road. Things are expensive the way it is now. Even DIRECTV allows the first receiver free. This would go against DISH and DISH is already loosing subscribers I wouldn't think they would do these kind of tricks but you never know. Always look at your bills for unknow charges. I heard horror stories of people getting charged for things they didn't know were there.

RJ T.
From Illinois
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Does cable charge box rent?
yes big cable charges crazy dvr fee's and box rental fee's
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Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
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HipKat
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
First off, great TV. I'm torn between the 77C5 or the 77G5.
It sounds like the handshake between the Receiver and the TV is having a problem. Are you using the free cable that came with the Joey or a higher speed HDMI cable?? That's the f irst place I'd look
R
Hello everyone, new guy here. I'm trying to solve problem I'm having with Dish bonus view channels. When I'm watching the bonus view channels then I switch back to regular dish channels, after few minutes the screen flips to black and after 30 seconds flips back to regular channels and continues to flip back and forth until I turn off TV. After I wait 30 minutes and turn back on , I can use regular channels again. So, its after I switch from bonus view channels to regular dish channels the problem starts. Been trying to fix this for a month, but no luck
Here what I've done.
i contacted Dish support and they sent me a new Joey3, but no help. Switched to a different HDMI input on TV, no help. Used different HDMI cable , no help. Used different electrical wall plug, no help.
Finally got a Dish tech to check it. He ran all systems check and was OK. Finally he brought in a small TV and plugged in the HDMI out from the Joey to the small TV. He could not get the problem to occur on his small TV, so the new Joey was working OK. So, then the problem must be myTV. He made some phone calls and came back with the answer that there must be a problem with the analog to digital switch in my TV. Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this, or is it time to be looking for a new TV? My tv LG OLED65C8PUA. TV has been trouble free til now. Thanks
First off, The analog to digital switch, also known as the digital television transition, is the process of converting older analog television broadcasting technology to digital broadcasting. It's used through coaxial cable for the an antenna during the mandatory switch from Analog to Digital on June 12, 2009. You either had to get a converter for your analog (Tube TV) or use a converter box that has the analog or digital tuner or an HDTV which your is and has the tuner built in. Your TV is HD and using an HDMI Cable and nothing is connected by coaxial cable so this wouldn't apply.

In my theory it probably means a new TV. I had a TV go out on my switching between the Smart Screen from the HDMI inputs before because they went faulty. Sometimes electrical surges can cause this. If you have an older home or rent an older home or apartment sometimes the electrical outlets are not grounded and these days HDTV's need a ground which can cause them to malfunction and go bad quicker. Never plug it directly in an outlet. It will damage the TV.

Hope I could be of some assistance.

RJ T.
From Illinois
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First off, The analog to digital switch, also known as the digital television transition, is the process of converting older analog television broadcasting technology to digital broadcasting. It's used through coaxial cable for the an antenna during the mandatory switch from Analog to Digital on June 12, 2009. You either had to get a converter for your analog (Tube TV) or use a converter box that has the analog or digital tuner or an HDTV which your is and has the tuner built in. Your TV is HD and using an HDMI Cable and nothing is connected by coaxial cable so this wouldn't apply.

In my theory it probably means a new TV. I had a TV go out on my switching between the Smart Screen from the HDMI inputs before because they went faulty. Sometimes electrical surges can cause this. If you have an older home or rent an older home or apartment sometimes the electrical outlets are not grounded and these days HDTV's need a ground which can cause them to malfunction and go bad quicker. Never plug it directly in an outlet. It will damage the TV.

Hope I could be of some assistance.

RJ T.
From Illinois
Thank you for the information. I do keep the TV plugged into a surge protector, but we have had pretty strong thunderstorms/lightning in the last month so that have contributed to my problem.The house was built in 2009 so everything seems to be grounded correctly. We have had a power surge also. Seems like no one fixes anything any more, so just get a new one or live with the problem. Thanks
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First off, great TV. I'm torn between the 77C5 or the 77G5.
It sounds like the handshake between the Receiver and the TV is having a problem. Are you using the free cable that came with the Joey or a higher speed HDMI cable?? That's the f irst place I'd look
I think the HDMI cable is good, i used one of my own from my 4K atmos system, i'll switch it with another just to check. Also I have a bid in at Greentoe for 77" G5. Thanks
HipKat
I think the HDMI cable is good, i used one of my own from my 4K atmos system, i'll switch it with another just to check. Also I have a bid in at Greentoe for 77" G5. Thanks
I hope that works. I'm waiting til Black Friday sales
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Darrell S
I've had this problem with my older Sony TV. It happens when I just punch in a regular channel number. The only way it works right for me is to push guide and select a regular channel from the guide screen.
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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Time Stand Still - Rush
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House of the Dragon, the prequel to Game of Thrones, premieres on HBO Max on 8/21. I will be warching



View: https://youtu.be/fNwwt25mheo


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That was as bad as the rest of the show. Jean Smart was mostly invisible.
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I prefer the trailer for the movie adaptation of Mario Kart. At least that had Pedro Pascal in it.
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"A new line of unsullied kings" would seem impossible given the GoT definition of "unsullied". :biggrin
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Hi all, I recently inherited a FTA system off Craiglist and have been trying to get it set up. What I got was a Glorystar-branded ~90cm offset dish with a ground mount (/flat roof) frame, and GEOSATpro DSR200c receiver. From that initial equipment, I've replaced the old LNBF with a (cheap!) new one and also splurged on an SG-2100 H-H motorized rotor which does respond from the receiver's USALS menu.

The previous owner had it set up for religious programming on Galaxy 19 and I've been trying to start by finding that same bird at least. After a couple sessions I'm not sure I have, but I've found *something* at least! A handful of motor ticks further than the dish wants to be for 97W after starting from motor 0 pointing as much south as I can guess at. (I don't have great references to aim for and it's really hard to sight where exactly the dish is pointing anyway….)

Anyway, so far there's only one transponder that I've ever been able to catch as I search. It's 12146 V and when the receiver scans it I get this list of video channels:
  • 1.1 Srv_1
  • 2.84 OU_Chan
  • 3.2 Srv_2
  • 4.5 Srv_5
  • 5.3 Srv_3
  • 6.4 Srv_4
  • 7.6 Srv_6
  • 8.7 Srv_7
There's iirc three audio channels it finds too but I didn't get a good snapshot of those. All the channels except for one seem to be dead (black screen and silent audio), except for the OU_Chan one which on both days I found it was just rolling one same ad over and over on a loop. I won't repeat the full roll since I don't want to spam the forums as my first post 😇 but it's a long-winded spiel about "you know us as an industry-leading satellite solutions provider with over a quarter million sites" and to call them For All Your Every Needs™ type thing.

While I get little blips from other frequencies, this is the only strong transponder I've been able to come across. My receiver shows it as S 75 and Q up to 85 when I adjust it. It actually seemed to get better as I **un**skewed my LBNF — iiuc G19 was supposed to be -20º for me but however I'm supposed to be reading/referencing the angles the puck is now basically at 0º relative to the dish/arm got the strongest on this transponder.

Anyway sorry this is so long winded already… my question is, do I even have the right satellite? None of the other transponders that are supposed to be active on G-19 seem to come in. And if not the right satellite does anyone happen to recognize which one I might have found instead? I think knowing that would help me then adjust for a truer south aim and then hopeful the USALS will work automatically once I can get it dialed in.
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Correct LO setting to 10600 MHz. Set receiver to 12053 V 22000. Use USALS to motor over to 97W Galaxy 19. Then, loosen bolts and rotate entire assembly (motor & dish) very slightly east or west until you peak on that transponder.

You should be able to blind scan in 6 transponders (DVB-S) and dozens of channels.

When using a motor, just set skew of LNB for 0 degrees and don't change it. The motor automatically rotates the dish to the correct skew.
natevw
Correct LO setting to 10600 MHz. Set receiver to 12053 V 22000. Use USALS to motor over to 97W Galaxy 19. Then, loosen bolts and rotate entire assembly (motor & dish) very slightly east or west until you peak on that transponder.
Done and done and done! I ended up doing a bit more iteration (back and forth between the left-right and up-down adjustments) but I've now got it landing on G19 at its default position for 97W.

You should be able to blind scan in 6 transponders (DVB-S) and dozens of channels.
Yep, ended up with a page or two full on my receiver's search. Didn't double-check that my receiver has all six of the right transponders but I can mess with that later if it turns out I'm missing something interesting but still DVB-S / MPEG-2 compatible.
When using a motor, just set skew of LNB for 0 degrees and don't change it. The motor automatically rotates the dish to the correct skew.
Yep, can see definite signal degradation as soon as I skew the LNB either way from "straight" (seam on the LNB lined up with the clamps on the mounting bracket). Will make setup easier if I want to try swapping anything else in!

I don't know if there's any good (unencrypted, DVB-S) satellite farther away to really check the sweep against, but I was at least able to program in my original find at 101.0 W back in (now at the correct "12000 V 20000" setting) and can get both birds automatically.

Shouldn't be *that* exciting since it's just an ad, but still really fun to choose channels on the other one and have it jog over and lock on 🤓
cyberham
Motor over to 123W Galaxy 18 and try for 12078 V 3680 (Korean Broadcasting System). It is DVB-S. And 12008 H 12660 (Daystar mux) on the same satellite.

Beyond these, you'll need your new receiver that supports DVB-S2.
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Done and done and done! I ended up doing a bit more iteration (back and forth between the left-right and up-down adjustments) but I've now got it landing on G19 at its default position for 97W.


Yep, ended up with a page or two full on my receiver's search. Didn't double-check that my receiver has all six of the right transponders but I can mess with that later if it turns out I'm missing something interesting but still DVB-S / MPEG-2 compatible.

Yep, can see definite signal degradation as soon as I skew the LNB either way from "straight" (seam on the LNB lined up with the clamps on the mounting bracket). Will make setup easier if I want to try swapping anything else in!

I don't know if there's any good (unencrypted, DVB-S) satellite farther away to really check the sweep against, but I was at least able to program in my original find at 101.0 W back in (now at the correct "12000 V 20000" setting) and can get both birds automatically.

Shouldn't be *that* exciting since it's just an ad, but still really fun to choose channels on the other one and have it jog over and lock on 🤓
beside 123W, another one to try (if it's above the horizon at your location) is Hispasat @30W. It has at least 2 DVB-S transponders with SD/Mpeg2 channels
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Motor over to 123W Galaxy 18 and try for 12078 V 3680 (Korean Broadcasting System). It is DVB-S. And 12008 H 12660 (Daystar mux) on the same satellite.

No luck finding this one. I motor over and it seems like a pretty dead spot of sky. I did get a slight blip (Q up to 1% or 2%) if I lowered the dish slightly. So I wonder if my polar mount itself maybe needs a bit of fine tuning?

Even when loosening the bolts and manually nudging the dish up/down/left/right nothing seemed to really wake it [new receiver, see below!] up and never saw anything more than 4% or 5% which I don't know is even real or could have been just noise?

beside 123W, another one to try (if it's above the horizon at your location) is Hispasat @30W.
I'm in Washington state (northwest CONUS) so this one's not an option for me.

Beyond these, you'll need your new receiver that supports DVB-S2.
I now have a V8 Finder 2 :-)

I've been able to scan in more now on G-19, and as well as watching the ad on SES 1 and getting some PBS stations there and G-16 both. So three satellites kinda in the general vicinity of each other (97W/101W/99.1W) programmed and able to rotate between.

Is G-18 at 123W as strong as the others? According to Satbeams I should be at least somewhat in its footprint although it looks like it's maybe focused more on Alaska.

Now that I'm back at my computer waiting for the Finder to charge back up looks like the Eutelsat(s) 117W have a couple Ku transponders I could look for too.
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On 117W, try for BVN. It has a C/N lock of just 1.0 dB so it's easy to receive. See transponder data on Lyngsat. 123W is receivable. Your motor is not perfectly on the arc yet.
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I'm having trouble finding a for sure answer on this. When I first started diving back into satellite stuff I noticed the GT Media V8 Finder2 which looks pretty cool and relatively low price point. But I can't find an answer, seems like some people (and Amazon's own AI guesser-bot) say it doesn't support motors.

The manual itself (the PDF that I found is named 20220718043903GTMEDIAV8FINDER2.pdf and it's on page 6 of 8) does show on the installation screen a "Motor Setup" menu item and says "If select DiSEqC1.2 or USALS, we can press ◀︎▶︎ to select IF Channel, and use number key to input Center Frequency."

Which…… the USALS part seems promising, but I don't know what IF and Center frequencies have to do with anything? Can it drive the motor off its battery for one, and does it have options for e.g. using the ◀︎▶︎ arrows to change the aim and save adjustments?
The closest I've found to real-world experience here is in Long shot with TBS6909X card where someone is talking about a different rotor and says:

> when I connect my V8 Finder 2, it immediately moves the dish if it's not in the correct position

which seems really promising! Moving the dish is what I'm after here, with something newer than the old MPEG-2 receiver I have now. Even for other receivers its really unclear if motor support is just pretty much a safe assumption that they don't even mention it anymore?

The V9 Prime actually looks pretty nice too and assuming it runs motors maybe that'd be better than the V8 Finder 2 for actual long term use since it has networking. But I'm having trouble finding listings for it (and actually most other receivers I see mentioned here) on Amazon or eBay or even Aliexpress. I'm wanting a DVB-S2 receiver for at least MPEG-4 with H.264/AVC and maybe should just get H.265/HEVC while I'm shopping. Main criteria:

* run my "Goto X"-era SG-2100 rotator
* be able to view most/all modern FTA satellites
* ideally a scheduled DVR feature and/or network would make it more useful
* I don't mind if it has… "alternative" firmwares or features but just for broader compatibility/interest

My main goal is I guess just exploration, seeing what's up there. Honestly not a big TV guy and definitely not into infomercials but if I can time shift the occasional Bob Ross or Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, or catch some world events as they're being uplinked, that sort of thing might be interesting. (Honestly main goal started out as weather satellites but this is kinda a warmup excercise for what will likely be a separate setup due to the frequencies.)

My dish is kinda far from my house and even farther from my "radio shack" so if I could just run a PoE ethernet line to something in a box below the dish, or a coax only to the crawlspace where I have 110V but either way would need it full remote including changing between satellites. To avoid having to buy and pull tons more coax up and down through the house. I'm into open source and real standards, so I'd much rather something that I can say use with VLC or go2rtc via a raw IP address and protocol rather than some convenient but proprietary iOS cloud app thingy.
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cyberham
I have the GT Media V9 prime receiver. It's a good modern receiver for its price. I think it's no longer available new since GT Media stopped making receivers.

The V9 supports USALS and Diseqc motor positioning. I have 125 feet of RG6 to my dish. I'd recommend 100 feet of cable maximum due to voltage drop issues as the cable gets longer. In my case, my motor works but at times when I move the motor I stay tuned to horizontal (H) transponders which sends a higher motor voltage than if tuned to a vertical (V) transponder.
natevw
Thanks, great tips and yeah when I'd read how the H/V bias worked I wondered if the higher voltage was ever useful for better power transfer :-)

It was perhaps slightly impulsive (though I guess not too late to cancel) but instead of the Finder unit I ended up going for kinda the opposite: a completely faceless USB tuner box (TBS5930) which should have RF support all the way up through DVB-S2X. If I'm understanding correctly the actual video/audio will then be whatever I can get software/GPU support for so my hope is that any unencrypted MPEG-2/AVC/HEVC feed can be viewed with VLC or whatnot. As well as access to what I assume is pure data like the Blockstream stuff just for example. (They had a lot of good resources for reception of their own signal in lots of various interesting ways and is kinda how I found the TBS options.)

And I think I will be able to control DiSEqC stuff through Linux including motor commands. So the idea is kinda what I mentioned, hoping this can just get chained in to an old thin client PC or if there's any Raspberry Pi that doesn't cost triple digits these days, somewhere physically convenient and then run it all over LAN from my laptop.

All this is somewhat theoretical of course based on what I'm piecing together but at a certain point I usually have to close all the browser tabs and just commit to try *something* that looks promising and go from there.
natevw
I'm having trouble finding a for sure answer on this.
Had a mixup with the TBS5930, got sent a cheaper Lite model than I paid for and am returning that. Ended up with the V8 Finder 2 after all.

And can confirm that it *does* have motor support! There's options for each satellite:

* None
* DiSEqC 1.2
* USALS

If you choose USALS (after setting device lat/lon) then it simply goes to where it thinks the satellite should be. If you arrow over to the DiSEqC option then you can press "OK" on it and pull up a menu with the ability to save position presets and also a motor nudge feature.

So between the two I can first choose USALS to get my initial setting, and then switch to DiSEqC to see if fine tuning helps.

That's all in the "Installation menu". When just watching channels it automatically switches between satellites too. Can even do a multi-satellite scan although it seemed it maybe didn't wait for the motor to finish before starting the scan.

when I move the motor I stay tuned to horizontal (H) transponders which sends a higher motor voltage

This is definitely noticeable on the Finder too, the motor goes a decent bit faster on H transponders.
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