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Last reply Dec 6, 2010 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Is Direct TV's DVR tht much different from Dish's?

I am a Dish customer but I fear I may have to switch. The thing is that I love Dish's DVR system and I have heard that Direct TV a very different.

Does it have a skip back and skip forward buttons?
Can I add a few minutes ( 3,4, 5 etc) at the end of a program to record anything that goes over?
Can I set timers manually?
Does it have a button to automatically search for the title that you are watching?
Can I rewind a program and start recording as far as the rewind takes me?

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cparker

Dec 5, 2010

a few less HD channels and a few more for some. I switched from Dish to Direct and now I get to watch MSG in HD. Even when Dish HAD MSG it wasn't in HD.

And since when are these staples?
"HD staples as HLN, TruTV, TCM. Style, G4, AMC, BBCA, ID, Hist Int, DIY & Cooking"

I guess staples for some and just unwatched fluff for others. I *would* like DIY in HD, but the others are a non-issue for me. I know other people really might like them though.

dishrich

Dec 5, 2010

cparker said:
now I get to watch MSG in HD. Even when Dish HAD MSG it wasn't in HD.

And since when are these staples?
"HD staples as HLN, TruTV, TCM. Style, G4, AMC, BBCA, ID, Hist Int, DIY & Cooking"

They ARE staples, when ALL the providers in many, if not most areas, ARE carrying them - EXCEPT for the supposed HD leader D* - I'll break it down for my area:

- DISH, all of them
- U-verse, all of them except AMC & BBCA
- Comcast, can't answer that yet, but we WILL be finding out way before the end of this year, as our WOM analog cutoff is this Tuesday (I'll make a safe bet that MOST of them will be up in HD & we already have AMC)

OK, so maybe BBCA might NOT be a staple, but IMO the rest sure are - WAY before MSG HD will EVER be in our area.

Oh yea, I was just out in Kansas City, MO & the Topeka, KS area for the holidays. BOTH TW in KC & Cox in the Topeka area TOTALLY blew away D*'s HD lineup - at least as far as basic, national channels. (premiums they were kind of lacking in - but at least they DID have more than one for each channel) In a very small town around Topeka no less!

I guess staples for some and just unwatched fluff for others.

Well at least they are a staple, in the sense that ANYONE can get them in ANY market.
Your MSG RSN(s) HD's are of only real value to subs in YOUR limited RSN area, or for folks with certain season ticket pkgs, to allow them to get those said games out of that same limited region in HD.
Otherwise, the majority of subs could care even less about them - maybe that's why E* doesn't seem too worried about NOT having them to begin with...

Iceberg said:
But I guess getting MLB Net and my RSN in 24/7 HD will have to make up for it

Now THAT'S a good point, as obviously E* can't provide ANY RSN's in HD full time, so they are having to have ALL RSN's "share the non-HD" pain. But this should be of NO surprise, as E* has never been the best at dealing with the RSN's.
Yea, if your RSN's in HD 24/7 are a must, then D* IS the way to go.
As I've said in other posts, you almost have to have 2 providers to get everything you want in HD...

jwolf said:
The MRV is very cool

But if the fricken HD prog one really wants is NOT even offered TO MRV, who gives a damn?

and the picture quality is better with directv.

And you actually did a side-by-side & came to this conclusion, or did you have to use a signal tester to find this out?
Point is - again, if the channels one wants are ONLY in SD, who cares if the rest of the crap D* now has up has a "touch" better picture quality?

lern4483

Dec 5, 2010

david13579 said:
I am a Dish customer but I fear I may have to switch. The thing is that I love Dish's DVR system and I have heard that Direct TV a very different.

Does it have a skip back and skip forward buttons?
Can I add a few minutes ( 3,4, 5 etc) at the end of a program to record anything that goes over?
Can I set timers manually?
Does it have a button to automatically search for the title that you are watching?
Can I rewind a program and start recording as far as the rewind takes me?

Allot of folks who have one service over another tout the service they have.

I have both. Both have their strengths and weakness.

Direc( in my opinnion) has the better picture.
Better sports packages,,MSGHD My favorite..Deal breaker
Dvrs better than past units. Still not better than dish dvrs.
However, the direc units do have cool features. Quick tune..
and others.
MRV.Whole home service. Able to watch any program on any
tv with a current Direc HD reciever. Best new feature to hit either sat service
I have this and its outstanding!

Dish
Hands down best HD dvr. While the new HR24(direc new HD dvrs) are excellent
they still fall short of the Dish vip series units. If your use to the speed of Dish dvrs
you will be dissapointed by the direc units.
Direc units can be made to have a skip like dish units(a simple code added by user enables feature)
Also better movie packages. Extra HD movie channels not on direc.

Again, look at lineup of both services. If your a sports nut, its a no brainer. Direc is your system.
If you love movie channels and the best HD dvr then go with Dish..

Both are excellent services..

JerseyMatt

Dec 5, 2010

dishrich said:
They ARE staples, when ALL the providers in many, if not most areas, ARE carrying them - EXCEPT for the supposed HD leader D* - I'll break it down for my area:

- DISH, all of them
- U-verse, all of them except AMC & BBCA
- Comcast, can't answer that yet, but we WILL be finding out way before the end of this year, as our WOM analog cutoff is this Tuesday (I'll make a safe bet that MOST of them will be up in HD & we already have AMC)

First of all, Comcast SUCKS. No matter where you are, they suck. In Springfield, they offer a whopping 51 (that's FIFTY ONE) HD channels, including exactly ONE of your so-called 'staple' channels: AMC. Not as SINGLE other one that you are whining about. (So what was that about a 'safe bet'?)

Second, Cox has the second best cable HD lineup right behind Cablevision NJ . The reason you were able to get it in that 'small town near Topeka' is because that is Cox's territory. They serve pretty much all of the incorporated towns in Kansas and even some rural areas (technically part of a town but outside city limits) with their Fiber to the Pole service. There's a few exceptions because Eagle Communications has a lock on about 5 counties (including mine). Their lineup is similar to Comcast's which sucks (again, roughly 50 HD channels). If I'd had Cox, it would've been a much tougher choice to switch to DirecTV, because I came from Cablevision, which has THE best cable HD lineup and the best internet available anywhere, and a switch to Cox would have been pretty much unnoticeable.

And just because every carrier has an SD version of a channel doesn't make it a staple. Just like MSG HD 'only appeals to sports fans', Style HD only appeals to female brainless faux reality show fans and TruTV only appeals to male brainless faux reality show fans. So what's your point?

The 'Staples' are the locals, and channels like USA, TNT, TBS, Discovery, TLC, History, etc. You know, the ones people actually watch.

JerseyMatt

Dec 6, 2010

Yup, more sneaky crap to keep fluff channels relevant. Just like the way SyFy (which has also been circling the drain since NBC got their mitts on it) dragged WWE onboard to pad their ratings and make them a 'must carry' type channel. It's not a plus, it's nothing more than shell game trickery to avoid getting the axe. There hasn't been anything worth watching on that channel since Sliders was cancelled. Well, maybe Taken and Tin Man were the last good things, but those were miniseries not serials, and there's been YEARS between good offerings.

dishrich

Dec 6, 2010

JerseyMatt said:
First of all, Comcast SUCKS. No matter where you are, they suck.

OK, whatever you say - even though I'm guessing you have NEVER even been here before, so of course you KNOW this about OUR particular system...

In Springfield, they offer a whopping 51 (that's FIFTY ONE) HD channels, including exactly ONE of your so-called 'staple' channels: AMC. Not as SINGLE other one that you are whining about. (So what was that about a 'safe bet'?)

You obviously didn't read what I said too closely (what a surprise...)

First of all, they DO NOW have more than 51 HD's! (I'm guessing you're looking at their website, which has not been updated yet - & which you're beloved D* has the SAME problem) They already added 15 MORE HD channels last month (yes, ABOVE those other 51) & I'm SURE sometime after tomorrow, more will be on the way - WAY sooner than D* will ever be adding more.
My "safe bet" statement was obviously due to that they have not announced what's being added - but guess what, they did NOT announce the last 15 new ones - but the point is, THEY DID ACTUALLY ADD SOMETHING MEANINGFUL, so I don't give a $hit that they did NOT formally announce it. It's THERE, & at this point, that's ALL I care about!
And I did NOT say I was DEFINITELY switching to them - actually the thought of dealing with them make me ill. But, I ALREADY have to deal with them on the internet & have limited service already, so again, I'm just now "window shopping"...

Look, if you are THAT satisfied with D* as status quo, then bully for YOU! If having things like MRV, On-Demand garbage (yea, I'm sure their "on-demand" stuff are "staples") & 40 HD PPV channels are your thing, then great - enjoy it! At this point, the HD content I want is more important than these "bells & whistles", that actually most folks (that are NOT on this board) could care less about.
I've been a D* sub for almost since they came on the air, & while I have always touted them as being the superior service, they are starting to fall from grace for me now - sorry if you find this SO personally offending...

mdram

Dec 6, 2010

as someone that recently switched i can say this
you will easily learn the directv dvr

the best feature i have found is this one
if your tune into a movie after its started, but want to record the whole thing you can go into info and see when its coming on again
no need to search its right there
the info on d* is much more expansive then dish.
see an actor in the movie and want to see if anything else theya re in is coming on, no problem

i much prefer the d* unit over the dish one after a couple of months of use

i dont really miss any of the hd channels i supposedly lost, since i never watched many of them anyway.

do research and see if the cahnnels you watch are available, everyone prefers diff ones, and thats a debate i dont want to enter

oh and the mrv rocks

dishrich

Dec 6, 2010

lern4483 said:
Allot of folks who have one service over another tout the service they have.

Yep, that's pretty obvious here - some people take it SO personally, like you insulted their mother or something... IT'S ONLY TV

I have both. Both have their strengths and weakness.

Probably one of the most sensible posts I've read recently - thank you.
And actually, I DO have both as well, along with CC & an OTA antenna. (just limited pkgs on the other 2 services)
And, I have absolutely NO problem pointing these differences out to potential clients...

Both are excellent services..

Hmm, not sure if I'd say that today - maybe they are GOOD services & it also depends on your local alternatives.
Regardless of what some people think, there ARE many wireline providers that are very competitive with DBS - again, depends on your area.

harshness

Dec 6, 2010

Key differences:

Outboard drive support on DIRECTV HD DVRs seems like an afterthought. Drives cannot be shared and hooking up a new drive requires setting up all recurring recording preferences from scratch. Recorded programs cannot readily be moved between drives. Only one drive can be active at a time and changing drives requires a reboot.
DISH includes an OTA tuner in most models (a two tuner module is required for the ViP722K and ViP922) while DIRECTV requires an external (but tidily implemented) box for pretty much any unit you might get today. The MAJOR drawback to the DIRECTV's OTA implementation is that it inexplicably doesn't search for available channels!
DIRECTV HD DVRs can support multi-room viewing for an additional monthly charge per household.
All but DIRECTV's latest (fifth generation HR24) models are sluggish performers while all DISH Network's models perform pretty well; you won't know what you'll get until you get it. They are still cycling in refurbished second generation HD DVRs (HR21) in first-time installations (as of last week).
DIRECTV doesn't allow you to maintain your DVR remotely; you can request that it schedule a recording via the internet but there is no feedback. A network connection is NOT required (nor supported) for DIRECTV's remote programming. This is as compared with DISH Network's remote programming where, if your HD DVR is connected to the Internet, you can review your current schedule and list of programs on the DVR (including what's on an active external hard drive) and delete recorded content.
DIRECTV HD DVRs have an arbitrary limit of 50 recurring programs (Series Links) that can be scheduled.

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Ramy

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Last reply 19 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 3:04 PM

You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:19 PM

Yespage said:
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:49 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick

Yespage

Yesterday at 9:59 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:12 PM

Yespage said:
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ... :coco

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Ronnie-

19 minutes ago

Jimbo said:
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Another example:

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Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Whiskey Pick: Frey Ranch Straight Bourbon

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Last reply Today at 2:09 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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MikeD-C05

Sep 26, 2026

I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 26, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH

I have the same wish.

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

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charlesrshell

Yesterday at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

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bnewt

Yesterday at 3:30 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I have the same wish.

Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.

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telstar_1

Today at 12:08 AM

But how is it reusable if it's disposable

slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:09 AM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh

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Well crap....Donnie Iris died today

RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83

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Today at 12:39 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Yosemite HD

This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:41 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Might want to watch this before you buy a new vehicle battery

Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.

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harshness

Sunday at 11:33 AM

When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:53 PM

harshness said:
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

Jimbo

Sunday at 1:01 PM

dishstaller said:
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.

telstar_1

Sunday at 1:14 PM

He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves

arlo

Sunday at 2:20 PM

Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.

Opinions may vary.

harshness

Yesterday at 9:17 AM

Jimbo said:
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.

EarDemon

Yesterday at 11:32 PM

I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:41 PM

EarDemon said:
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.