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[VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

[VOOM] Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

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thegrod

Jan 21, 2005

But almost every provider seemed to screw up the ESPN 2 HD launch..
----- Original Message -----
From: "berockin1" <berockin1@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

>
>
> I mean the reason why ESPN2 HD was not added on 01/06 was probably
> because of the pending sale to E*.. Up to date VOOM has added every
> HD channel on the day it was launched except this one. What do I
> know, just a thought
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> Berockin.
>> Not sure I follow you.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
>> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:45 AM
>> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > This was probably the reason why VOOM was NOT the 1st to offer
> ESPN2
>> > HD. I cant believe this is happening ! I hope the next PR has
> more
>> > info on what's exactly going to happen and when
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, David Lay <dlayphoto@s...> wrote:
>> >> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better
> than
>> > cable...
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Robert Heitner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for
>> > Voom!????
>> >> >
>> >> > _____
>> >> >
>> >> > From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@s...]
>> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
>> >> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any rate,
>> > DirecTV
>> >> > will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
>> >> >
>> >> > Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Dave
>> >> >
>> >> > thegrod wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > David,
>> >> > > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was
>> > prematurely and
>> >> > > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card
> company
>> > and get a
>> >> > > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how
> much
>> > could you
>> >> > > really lose worst case? A partial month?
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@s...>
>> >> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to the
>> > status
>> >> > of the
>> >> > > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > D* is being installed today!
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Cheers,
>> >> > > > Dave
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > thegrod wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> Tim,
>> >> > > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this
> point.
>> > I wish
>> >> > > others
>> >> > > >> would do so too.
>> >> > > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong
> opinions
>> > that
>> >> > > VOOM is
>> >> > > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum. Frankly,
> if
>> > you go
>> >> > > >> there and
>> >> > > >> check it out, you will see that they have sensationalist
>> > headlines
>> >> > > >> like the
>> >> > > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that
>> > methodology. Unless
>> >> > > >> they
>> >> > > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than the
>> > rest of us
>> >> > > >> via a
>> >> > > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of
> the
>> > dangers
>> >> > > of the
>> >> > > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but
> unlike
>> > the news
>> >> > > >> media,
>> >> > > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible
>> > reporting.
>> >> > > Rumors
>> >> > > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to become
>> > fact.
>> >> > > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read whatever I
>> > can on the
>> >> > > >> subject
>> >> > > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material),
> and
>> > enjoy
>> >> > > VOOM as
>> >> > > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it
> ended
>> >> > > tomorrow, it
>> >> > > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50" DLP
> HDTV
>> > 7
>> >> > mmonths
>> >> > > >> ago.
>> >> > > >> It really has filled a void.
>> >> > > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased lately
>> > based on the
>> >> > > >> number
>> >> > > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent a
> lot
>> > of money
>> >> > > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and advertised
> very
>> >> > > well. IF I
>> >> > > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw all
> that
>> > out.
>> >> > > >> We'll see.
>> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@m...>
>> >> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
>> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> Ranibow 1
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is
> not
>> > sold.
>> >> > Voom
>> >> > > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky
> Angel
>> > does
>> >> > from
>> >> > > >> Dish.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> > Keith,
>> >> > > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in your
>> > email to
>> >> > > Bob is
>> >> > > >> > based
>> >> > > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported.
>> > Admittedly, good
>> >> > > >> > points
>> >> > > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something,
> which
>> > we don't
>> >> > > know
>> >> > > >> > yet
>> >> > > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what the
>> > intimate
>> >> > > details
>> >> > > >> > of the
>> >> > > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and make
>> > any
>> >> > changes.
>> >> > > >> > They
>> >> > > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it,
> check
>> > the
>> >> > books,
>> >> > > >> > etc.
>> >> > > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size
> will
>> > require
>> >> > > some
>> >> > > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a
> period
>> > of
>> >> > review
>> >> > > >> > there
>> >> > > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make
>> > interesting
>> >> > reading.
>> >> > > >> > as
>> >> > > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
>> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
>> >> > > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
>> >> > > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> Ranibow 1
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > Bob,
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality that
>> > VOOM is
>> >> > over?
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their
> main
>> > [and
>> >> > > >> > currently
>> >> > > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
>> > satellite to
>> >> > > keep the
>> >> > > >> > > venture going?
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me
> quote
>> > the
>> >> > > recently
>> >> > > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
>> >> > > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its Voom
>> > satellite
>> >> > > service
>> >> > > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
>> > business to
>> >> > > EchoStar
>> >> > > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> >
>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
>> >> > > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much
> cash
>> > and not
>> >> > > >> > getting
>> >> > > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
>> > service, but
>> >> > great
>> >> > > >> > > things don't always last.
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > -Keith
>> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin" <bob@c...>
>> > wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think
> you're
>> >> > > exaggerting
>> >> > > >> > a bit
>> >> > > >> > > > Scott.
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite and
>> > has a new
>> >> > > >> > ground
>> >> > > >> > > station
>> >> > > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's due
> to
>> > happen
>> >> > right
>> >> > > >> > > about the
>> >> > > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for
> March.
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I
> doubt
>> > he
>> >> > sent out
>> >> > > >> > the
>> >> > > >> > > memo
>> >> > > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was about
> to
>> > be
>> >> > > sold. My
>> >> > > >> > > guess is
>> >> > > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone here
>> > knows
>> >> > > about yet.
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > Bob
>> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
>> >> > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
>> >> > > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
>> > Ranibow 1
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base here.
>> > Echostar did
>> >> > > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the
> Rainbow 1
>> >> > > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM basically
>> > will not
>> >> > > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has no
> more
>> >> > > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the
>> > satellite gets
>> >> > > >> > turned off.
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > Scott
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod"
>> > <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your
>> > horses. I
>> >> > work in
>> >> > > >> > the
>> >> > > >> > > > > corporate
>> >> > > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in
> these
>> >> > situations.
>> >> > > >> > And
>> >> > > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to pay
> my
>> > bill and
>> >> > > >> > expect
>> >> > > >> > > > > service
>> >> > > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different or
> sent
>> > a
>> >> > > notice of
>> >> > > >> > > > > termination of
>> >> > > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've
> already
>> > paid
>> >> > out.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it
>> > conclusively
>> >> > > >> > enumerates
>> >> > > >> > > > > what is
>> >> > > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have
> purchased
>> >> > equipment as
>> >> > > >> > well
>> >> > > >> > > > > as
>> >> > > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be
>> > considered.
>> >> > There
>> >> > > >> > are
>> >> > > >> > > > > legal
>> >> > > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues to
> hash
>> > out.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of
> their
>> > original
>> >> > > >> > > > > programming will
>> >> > > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at this
>> > moment than
>> >> > > >> > not. I
>> >> > > >> > > > > might be
>> >> > > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the equipment
>> > rather than
>> >> > > >> > leased.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate
> the
>> > strong
>> >> > > >> > possibility
>> >> > > >> > > > > of some
>> >> > > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I could
> be
>> > wrong
>> >> > > but to
>> >> > > >> > > > > take care of
>> >> > > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in exchange
>> > for
>> >> > ptential
>> >> > > >> > > > > monthly revenue
>> >> > > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what
> cable
>> > and Sat TV
>> >> > > >> > > > > providers are
>> >> > > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
>> >> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
>> >> > > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
> Buys
>> > Ranibow 1
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1 1/4
>> > years VOOM.
>> >> > > >> > > > > I enjoyed
>> >> > > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Scott
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
>> >> > > <timothyfouts@m...>
>> >> > > >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
>> >> > > >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > > >
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Jan 21, 2005

I know, but I didn't expect VOOM to be one of them.

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> But almost every provider seemed to screw up the ESPN 2 HD launch..
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:22 AM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>
>
> >
> >
> > I mean the reason why ESPN2 HD was not added on 01/06 was
probably
> > because of the pending sale to E*.. Up to date VOOM has added
every
> > HD channel on the day it was launched except this one. What do I
> > know, just a thought
> >
> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> >> Berockin.
> >> Not sure I follow you.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
> >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:45 AM
> >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This was probably the reason why VOOM was NOT the 1st to offer
> > ESPN2
> >> > HD. I cant believe this is happening ! I hope the next PR
has
> > more
> >> > info on what's exactly going to happen and when
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, David Lay <dlayphoto@s...> wrote:
> >> >> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better
> > than
> >> > cable...
> >> >>
> >> >> Dave
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Robert Heitner wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for
> >> > Voom!????
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _____
> >> >> >
> >> >> > From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@s...]
> >> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
> >> >> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow
1
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any
rate,
> >> > DirecTV
> >> >> > will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers,
> >> >> > Dave
> >> >> >
> >> >> > thegrod wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > David,
> >> >> > > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was
> >> > prematurely and
> >> >> > > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card
> > company
> >> > and get a
> >> >> > > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how
> > much
> >> > could you
> >> >> > > really lose worst case? A partial month?
> >> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@s...>
> >> >> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
Ranibow 1
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to
the
> >> > status
> >> >> > of the
> >> >> > > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > D* is being installed today!
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Cheers,
> >> >> > > > Dave
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > thegrod wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> Tim,
> >> >> > > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this
> > point.
> >> > I wish
> >> >> > > others
> >> >> > > >> would do so too.
> >> >> > > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong
> > opinions
> >> > that
> >> >> > > VOOM is
> >> >> > > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum.
Frankly,
> > if
> >> > you go
> >> >> > > >> there and
> >> >> > > >> check it out, you will see that they have
sensationalist
> >> > headlines
> >> >> > > >> like the
> >> >> > > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that
> >> > methodology. Unless
> >> >> > > >> they
> >> >> > > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than
the
> >> > rest of us
> >> >> > > >> via a
> >> >> > > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of
> > the
> >> > dangers
> >> >> > > of the
> >> >> > > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but
> > unlike
> >> > the news
> >> >> > > >> media,
> >> >> > > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible
> >> > reporting.
> >> >> > > Rumors
> >> >> > > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to
become
> >> > fact.
> >> >> > > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read
whatever I
> >> > can on the
> >> >> > > >> subject
> >> >> > > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material),
> > and
> >> > enjoy
> >> >> > > VOOM as
> >> >> > > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it
> > ended
> >> >> > > tomorrow, it
> >> >> > > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50"
DLP
> > HDTV
> >> > 7
> >> >> > mmonths
> >> >> > > >> ago.
> >> >> > > >> It really has filled a void.
> >> >> > > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased
lately
> >> > based on the
> >> >> > > >> number
> >> >> > > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent
a
> > lot
> >> > of money
> >> >> > > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and
advertised
> > very
> >> >> > > well. IF I
> >> >> > > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw
all
> > that
> >> > out.
> >> >> > > >> We'll see.
> >> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@m...>
> >> >> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
> >> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> > Ranibow 1
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is
> > not
> >> > sold.
> >> >> > Voom
> >> >> > > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky
> > Angel
> >> > does
> >> >> > from
> >> >> > > >> Dish.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> > Keith,
> >> >> > > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in
your
> >> > email to
> >> >> > > Bob is
> >> >> > > >> > based
> >> >> > > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported.
> >> > Admittedly, good
> >> >> > > >> > points
> >> >> > > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something,
> > which
> >> > we don't
> >> >> > > know
> >> >> > > >> > yet
> >> >> > > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what
the
> >> > intimate
> >> >> > > details
> >> >> > > >> > of the
> >> >> > > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and
make
> >> > any
> >> >> > changes.
> >> >> > > >> > They
> >> >> > > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it,
> > check
> >> > the
> >> >> > books,
> >> >> > > >> > etc.
> >> >> > > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size
> > will
> >> > require
> >> >> > > some
> >> >> > > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a
> > period
> >> > of
> >> >> > review
> >> >> > > >> > there
> >> >> > > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make
> >> > interesting
> >> >> > reading.
> >> >> > > >> > as
> >> >> > > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
> >> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
> >> >> > > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
> >> >> > > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> > Ranibow 1
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > Bob,
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality
that
> >> > VOOM is
> >> >> > over?
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their
> > main
> >> > [and
> >> >> > > >> > currently
> >> >> > > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
> >> > satellite to
> >> >> > > keep the
> >> >> > > >> > > venture going?
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me
> > quote
> >> > the
> >> >> > > recently
> >> >> > > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
> >> >> > > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its
Voom
> >> > satellite
> >> >> > > service
> >> >> > > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
> >> > business to
> >> >> > > EchoStar
> >> >> > > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
> >> >> > > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much
> > cash
> >> > and not
> >> >> > > >> > getting
> >> >> > > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
> >> > service, but
> >> >> > great
> >> >> > > >> > > things don't always last.
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > -Keith
> >> >> > > >> > >
> >> >> > > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin"
<bob@c...>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think
> > you're
> >> >> > > exaggerting
> >> >> > > >> > a bit
> >> >> > > >> > > > Scott.
> >> >> > > >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite
and
> >> > has a new
> >> >> > > >> > ground
> >> >> > > >> > > station
> >> >> > > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's
due
> > to
> >> > happen
> >> >> > right
> >> >> > > >> > > about the
> >> >> > > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for
> > March.
> >> >> > > >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I
> > doubt
> >> > he
> >> >> > sent out
> >> >> > > >> > the
> >> >> > > >> > > memo
> >> >> > > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was
about
> > to
> >> > be
> >> >> > > sold. My
> >> >> > > >> > > guess is
> >> >> > > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone
here
> >> > knows
> >> >> > > about yet.
> >> >> > > >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > Bob
> >> >> > > >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
> >> >> > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> >> >> > > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
Buys
> >> > Ranibow 1
> >> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base
here.
> >> > Echostar did
> >> >> > > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the
> > Rainbow 1
> >> >> > > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM
basically
> >> > will not
> >> >> > > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has
no
> > more
> >> >> > > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the
> >> > satellite gets
> >> >> > > >> > turned off.
> >> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > Scott
> >> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod"
> >> > <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your
> >> > horses. I
> >> >> > work in
> >> >> > > >> > the
> >> >> > > >> > > > > corporate
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in
> > these
> >> >> > situations.
> >> >> > > >> > And
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to
pay
> > my
> >> > bill and
> >> >> > > >> > expect
> >> >> > > >> > > > > service
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different
or
> > sent
> >> > a
> >> >> > > notice of
> >> >> > > >> > > > > termination of
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've
> > already
> >> > paid
> >> >> > out.
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it
> >> > conclusively
> >> >> > > >> > enumerates
> >> >> > > >> > > > > what is
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have
> > purchased
> >> >> > equipment as
> >> >> > > >> > well
> >> >> > > >> > > > > as
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be
> >> > considered.
> >> >> > There
> >> >> > > >> > are
> >> >> > > >> > > > > legal
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues
to
> > hash
> >> > out.
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of
> > their
> >> > original
> >> >> > > >> > > > > programming will
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at
this
> >> > moment than
> >> >> > > >> > not. I
> >> >> > > >> > > > > might be
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the
equipment
> >> > rather than
> >> >> > > >> > leased.
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate
> > the
> >> > strong
> >> >> > > >> > possibility
> >> >> > > >> > > > > of some
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I
could
> > be
> >> > wrong
> >> >> > > but to
> >> >> > > >> > > > > take care of
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in
exchange
> >> > for
> >> >> > ptential
> >> >> > > >> > > > > monthly revenue
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what
> > cable
> >> > and Sat TV
> >> >> > > >> > > > > providers are
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
> > Buys
> >> > Ranibow 1
> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1
1/4
> >> > years VOOM.
> >> >> > > >> > > > > I enjoyed
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Scott
> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
> >> >> > > <timothyfouts@m...>
> >> >> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward
wrote:
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good point.
----- Original Message -----
From: "berockin1" <berockin1@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1

>
>
> I know, but I didn't expect VOOM to be one of them.
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> But almost every provider seemed to screw up the ESPN 2 HD launch..
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
>> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:22 AM
>> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I mean the reason why ESPN2 HD was not added on 01/06 was
> probably
>> > because of the pending sale to E*.. Up to date VOOM has added
> every
>> > HD channel on the day it was launched except this one. What do I
>> > know, just a thought
>> >
>> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> >> Berockin.
>> >> Not sure I follow you.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "berockin1" <berockin1@y...>
>> >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:45 AM
>> >> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow 1
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > This was probably the reason why VOOM was NOT the 1st to offer
>> > ESPN2
>> >> > HD. I cant believe this is happening ! I hope the next PR
> has
>> > more
>> >> > info on what's exactly going to happen and when
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, David Lay <dlayphoto@s...> wrote:
>> >> >> because even without an hdtv set, the PQ/sounds is WAY better
>> > than
>> >> > cable...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Robert Heitner wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > If you don't have an HDtv, why on earth did you sign up for
>> >> > Voom!????
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > _____
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From: David Lay [mailto:dlayphoto@s...]
>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:20 AM
>> >> >> > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys Ranibow
> 1
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I pay via credit card, but not through autopay...At any
> rate,
>> >> > DirecTV
>> >> >> > will cost me $50/month not $80/month that voom charges...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Plus I don't have an HDTV anyway...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >> > Dave
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > thegrod wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > David,
>> >> >> > > Do you pay by credit card? If so, and your service was
>> >> > prematurely and
>> >> >> > > suddely terminated, you could contact your credit card
>> > company
>> >> > and get a
>> >> >> > > refund because of non-delivery of services. Besides, how
>> > much
>> >> > could you
>> >> >> > > really lose worst case? A partial month?
>> >> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > From: "David Lay" <dlayphoto@s...>
>> >> >> > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:53 AM
>> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
> Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Very true...but until I hear something concrete as to
> the
>> >> > status
>> >> >> > of the
>> >> >> > > > company, next months bill will remain on my desk...
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > D* is being installed today!
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Cheers,
>> >> >> > > > Dave
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > thegrod wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> Tim,
>> >> >> > > >> I am willing to admit that I just don't know at this
>> > point.
>> >> > I wish
>> >> >> > > others
>> >> >> > > >> would do so too.
>> >> >> > > >> I hope you are right. I think some of these strong
>> > opinions
>> >> > that
>> >> >> > > VOOM is
>> >> >> > > >> immediately dead come from the Sat guys forum.
> Frankly,
>> > if
>> >> > you go
>> >> >> > > >> there and
>> >> >> > > >> check it out, you will see that they have
> sensationalist
>> >> > headlines
>> >> >> > > >> like the
>> >> >> > > >> National Enquirer. I strongly disagree with that
>> >> > methodology. Unless
>> >> >> > > >> they
>> >> >> > > >> can say with authority that they know a lot more than
> the
>> >> > rest of us
>> >> >> > > >> via a
>> >> >> > > >> direct pipeline to the powers that be. This is one of
>> > the
>> >> > dangers
>> >> >> > > of the
>> >> >> > > >> internet. Everyone gets to be a news reporter, but
>> > unlike
>> >> > the news
>> >> >> > > >> media,
>> >> >> > > >> there is no accountability and no need for responsible
>> >> > reporting.
>> >> >> > > Rumors
>> >> >> > > >> fly and individual opinions are repeated enough to
> become
>> >> > fact.
>> >> >> > > >> I will wait for the situation to develop, read
> whatever I
>> >> > can on the
>> >> >> > > >> subject
>> >> >> > > >> ( and there will be an abundance of reading material),
>> > and
>> >> > enjoy
>> >> >> > > VOOM as
>> >> >> > > >> long as it's up there and is reasonably priced. If it
>> > ended
>> >> >> > > tomorrow, it
>> >> >> > > >> still was perfect for someone like me who got a 50"
> DLP
>> > HDTV
>> >> > 7
>> >> >> > mmonths
>> >> >> > > >> ago.
>> >> >> > > >> It really has filled a void.
>> >> >> > > >> I'd like to think that the signups have increased
> lately
>> >> > based on the
>> >> >> > > >> number
>> >> >> > > >> of VOOM forum applications I've processed. VOOM spent
> a
>> > lot
>> >> > of money
>> >> >> > > >> positioning themselves as the HDTV leader and
> advertised
>> > very
>> >> >> > > well. IF I
>> >> >> > > >> bought the company I would not be so quick to throw
> all
>> > that
>> >> > out.
>> >> >> > > >> We'll see.
>> >> >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > >> From: "Timothy Fouts" <timothyfouts@m...>
>> >> >> > > >> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:44 PM
>> >> >> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
>> > Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> I still say Rainbow 1 is sold but Voom as a company is
>> > not
>> >> > sold.
>> >> >> > Voom
>> >> >> > > >> will lease the transponder space back from Dish as Sky
>> > Angel
>> >> > does
>> >> >> > from
>> >> >> > > >> Dish.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:46 AM, Bruce Grodner wrote:
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> > Keith,
>> >> >> > > >> > I don't mean to be persnickety but everything in
> your
>> >> > email to
>> >> >> > > Bob is
>> >> >> > > >> > based
>> >> >> > > >> > on conjecture. Both yours and the WSJ reported.
>> >> > Admittedly, good
>> >> >> > > >> > points
>> >> >> > > >> > are raised but if I paid that much for something,
>> > which
>> >> > we don't
>> >> >> > > know
>> >> >> > > >> > yet
>> >> >> > > >> > exactly what that is that was purchased and what
> the
>> >> > intimate
>> >> >> > > details
>> >> >> > > >> > of the
>> >> >> > > >> > deal are, I would not get up tomorrow morning and
> make
>> >> > any
>> >> >> > changes.
>> >> >> > > >> > They
>> >> >> > > >> > have yet to put a team of management people on it,
>> > check
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > books,
>> >> >> > > >> > etc.
>> >> >> > > >> > Have you ever bought a company? A company that size
>> > will
>> >> > require
>> >> >> > > some
>> >> >> > > >> > serious appraisal before anything changes. After a
>> > period
>> >> > of
>> >> >> > review
>> >> >> > > >> > there
>> >> >> > > >> > will be a new game plan for sure. It will make
>> >> > interesting
>> >> >> > reading.
>> >> >> > > >> > as
>> >> >> > > >> > Gill says, "in the meantime, enjoying VOOM...."
>> >> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > >> > From: "keithnet" <voom@k...>
>> >> >> > > >> > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:30 PM
>> >> >> > > >> > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication Buys
>> > Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > Bob,
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > Wouldn't it just be easier to face the reality
> that
>> >> > VOOM is
>> >> >> > over?
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > Why would they continue the company without their
>> > main
>> >> > [and
>> >> >> > > >> > currently
>> >> >> > > >> > > only] satellite? Why would EchoStar buy VOOM's
>> >> > satellite to
>> >> >> > > keep the
>> >> >> > > >> > > venture going?
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > If those questions aren't enough for you, let me
>> > quote
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > > recently
>> >> >> > > >> > > published Wall Street Article (1/20/05 @ 10:08pm):
>> >> >> > > >> > > "Cablevision Systems Corp. will shut down its
> Voom
>> >> > satellite
>> >> >> > > service
>> >> >> > > >> > > and sell most of the assets of the money-losing
>> >> > business to
>> >> >> > > EchoStar
>> >> >> > > >> > > Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash."
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110626286893131967,00.html?
>> >> >> > > >> > mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > It's sad, but true. VOOM was just losing too much
>> > cash
>> >> > and not
>> >> >> > > >> > getting
>> >> >> > > >> > > enough subscribers. It certainly may be a great
>> >> > service, but
>> >> >> > great
>> >> >> > > >> > > things don't always last.
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > -Keith
>> >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mankin"
> <bob@c...>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > > >> > > > When the satellite gets turned off???? I think
>> > you're
>> >> >> > > exaggerting
>> >> >> > > >> > a bit
>> >> >> > > >> > > > Scott.
>> >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > Voom has leased space on a different satellite
> and
>> >> > has a new
>> >> >> > > >> > ground
>> >> >> > > >> > > station
>> >> >> > > >> > > > facility coming online. Coincidently, that's
> due
>> > to
>> >> > happen
>> >> >> > right
>> >> >> > > >> > > about the
>> >> >> > > >> > > > time they promised an increase in channels for
>> > March.
>> >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > Chuck Dolan didn't get rich by being stupid. I
>> > doubt
>> >> > he
>> >> >> > sent out
>> >> >> > > >> > the
>> >> >> > > >> > > memo
>> >> >> > > >> > > > without knowing full well that Rainbow 1 was
> about
>> > to
>> >> > be
>> >> >> > > sold. My
>> >> >> > > >> > > guess is
>> >> >> > > >> > > > he has more tricks up his sleeve than anyone
> here
>> >> > knows
>> >> >> > > about yet.
>> >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > Bob
>> >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > From: Scottbusy [mailto:sgbusy@o...]
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:49 PM
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
> Buys
>> >> > Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > Personally, I think you are way off base
> here.
>> >> > Echostar did
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > not buy the VOOM business, they bought the
>> > Rainbow 1
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > satellite and related equipment. VOOM
> basically
>> >> > will not
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > exist when this deal goes through. VOOM has
> no
>> > more
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > satellite. It is just a matter of when the
>> >> > satellite gets
>> >> >> > > >> > turned off.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > Scott
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod"
>> >> > <bruceg@h...> wrote:
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > They are not off the air so just hold your
>> >> > horses. I
>> >> >> > work in
>> >> >> > > >> > the
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > corporate
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > world and you can expect the unexpected in
>> > these
>> >> >> > situations.
>> >> >> > > >> > And
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > changeovers take time. I will continue to
> pay
>> > my
>> >> > bill and
>> >> >> > > >> > expect
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > service
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > until I am told to do something different
> or
>> > sent
>> >> > a
>> >> >> > > notice of
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > termination of
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > services and a refund check for what i've
>> > already
>> >> > paid
>> >> >> > out.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > I see nowhere in the announcement where it
>> >> > conclusively
>> >> >> > > >> > enumerates
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > what is
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > going to happen and when. People have
>> > purchased
>> >> >> > equipment as
>> >> >> > > >> > well
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > as
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > leasing from VOOM and this will have to be
>> >> > considered.
>> >> >> > There
>> >> >> > > >> > are
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > legal
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > obligations plus there is a lot of issues
> to
>> > hash
>> >> > out.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > I don't know that the name VOOM or any of
>> > their
>> >> > original
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > programming will
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > survive but I'd rather be a subscriber at
> this
>> >> > moment than
>> >> >> > > >> > not. I
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > might be
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > a bit concerned if I purchased the
> equipment
>> >> > rather than
>> >> >> > > >> > leased.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > If there is a transition you can anticipate
>> > the
>> >> > strong
>> >> >> > > >> > possibility
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > of some
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > very nice deals for existing VOOMers. I
> could
>> > be
>> >> > wrong
>> >> >> > > but to
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > take care of
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > us represents a drop in the bucket in
> exchange
>> >> > for
>> >> >> > ptential
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > monthly revenue
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > stream for the long term. And that's what
>> > cable
>> >> > and Sat TV
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > providers are
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > really fighting over.....
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > From: "Scottbusy" <sgbusy@o...>
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:20 PM
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [VOOM] Re: Echostar Communication
>> > Buys
>> >> > Ranibow 1
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > It is a very sad day. Thanks for a great 1
> 1/4
>> >> > years VOOM.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > I enjoyed
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > the service greatly. Sorry it ended.
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > Scott
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Timothy Fouts
>> >> >> > > <timothyfouts@m...>
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > Is Voom still on at 9pm EST?
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:01 PM, abcward
> wrote:
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Feb 23, 2005

[VOOM] Re: After reading through all the posts here and satguys, those I feel sorry...

Just a quick note on the continued use of the recievers as OTA tuners

The recieevers need to recieve an authorization on a continual basis to
contine working, usually every 2 weeks to a month or when you change
your programming

This being said, if Voom dies, (and I am still hoping that ther old man
pitches a fit and kills his kid and the board) then within 2 weeks to a
month, the authorization on your reciever will expire, and the OTA
portion will no longer function

--
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rtt2

Feb 23, 2005

[VOOM] Re: Wilt... Thanks for all you did...

I think Wilt is battling the Sci Atlantic 8300 DVRs & 8300HD DVRs now

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Smoke On The Water - Deep Purple

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Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th

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nelson61

Monday at 12:22 PM

Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

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Scott Greczkowski

Monday at 1:25 PM

nelson61 said:
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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Yesterday at 4:33 PM

Starlink Mobile: 14 MHz Deal, No Phone Plan Yet [2026]

SpaceX agreed to buy up to 14 MHz of 800 MHz spectrum for Starlink Mobile. No Musk phone plan, price or coverage map exists yet.

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Yesterday at 6:54 PM

AT&T, Rakuten tout integration with AST SpaceMobile for D2D

AT&T makes first call handoff to satellite with AST SpaceMobile and prepares for beta service, while Rakuten targets commercial launch in 'near future.'

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Today at 1:19 AM

SpaceX Selects Qualcomm to Accelerate Starlink Mobile’s Nationwide 5G Network

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Today at 2:17 AM

Why Boost Mobile isn't SpaceX's shortcut to an MVNO

Analysts say SpaceX can't simply inherit EchoStar's MVNO deals by acquiring Boost Mobile due to stringent change of control clauses.

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Nebugeater

23 minutes ago

Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

Just a guess on my part but there may be some value to aquring to get all the retransmision agreements that are in place even though at some point they need to be renewed

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techristian

Last reply 27 minutes ago · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support

AMIKO Anyone watching IPTV on Amiko 4k s52 UHD ?

Anyone watching IPTV on Amiko 4k s52 UHD ?

I put a bunch of *.m3u files in the root of my USB KEY but Amiko won't try to play them?

No INSTRUCTIONS for this.

Dan

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27 minutes ago

Hey Dan, go here to learn how

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/threads/mini-hd-265-streaming.394075/#post-4663857

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Used EV Cars and Trucks Are Getting More Expensive & Sell Fast!

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Last reply Today at 4:36 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

110/119 Listings Post 129 Transition (Updated 11/01/2026)

Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:

Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
- 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
- 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
- 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
- 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
- 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
- 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.

There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:

During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
- At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
- At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.

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zippyfrog

Tuesday at 5:11 PM

Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now. TP 02, 04, 06, 08, 10 were all functioning as Spotbeams as of last week, but now they are ConUS.

This means all 21 transponders that Dish has access to at 119 are now ConUS.

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dishrich

Tuesday at 9:34 PM

zippyfrog said:
Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now.

Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 5:20 AM

dishrich said:
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?

Nope - TP 1-13 are still ConUS on 110. Which is crazy...there are so many different spotbeams on the new 110 satellite compared to the older 110 or 119. Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now? If so, it looks like TP 1-13 are coming from the old satellite at 110 and 14 onward are spotbeams on the new satellite.

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dishrich

Yesterday at 12:47 PM

zippyfrog said:
Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now?

Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 6:07 PM

dishrich said:
Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

Here was a comment by nelson61 last year:

nelson61 said:
EchoStar 23 (Conus beam) will still be at 110W so there can be some Conus beam coverage from 110W depending on how many transponders they use for the spots.

In the same thread, he gave all the kml files for the spotbeams to put on Google Earth, and it looks like there are a lot more spotbeams per transponder available than the old satellite. My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

I would love an analysis of how many channels could be fit on all the spots!

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dishrich

Yesterday at 8:36 PM

zippyfrog said:
My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

My only trouble with that explanation, is the fact that they are wasting at least 1 TP (TP 10, to be precise) on a local market (part of the Chicago locals are on that TP) that could be used for more CONUS channels (namely more HD!)

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zippyfrog

Today at 4:36 AM

dishrich said:
My only trouble with that explanation, is the fact that they are wasting at least 1 TP (TP 10, to be precise) on a local market (part of the Chicago locals are on that TP) that could be used for more CONUS channels (namely more HD!)

I ran the Schedule S through ChatGPT to analyze the data quickly, and according to ChatGPT, the 16 transponders currently being used for SpotBeams on 110 is all that has been authorized by the FCC. So Dish might be using TP 01-13 for ConUS on 110 for the foreseeable future. If that is the case, Dish has a ton of space to bring in more HD channels nationally or use that bandwidth for something else.

I know my lists aren't perfect as I can't see all the test channels and behind the scenes channels, but for channels available to subscribers - there are no channels on 119 TP 01-08 and 10; and on 110, TP14 has only 4 channels. With Dish putting 16 HD channels per transponder right now, that is about 145+ slots for HD channels that are available if Dish does keep 110 as ConUS for TP 01-13.

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