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Hi,

Great forum you've got here. I've spent countless hours over the past several days reading up on satellite info. Currently I'm still getting only regular (non-digital) cable, but just bought a 51" HDTV last weekend, so I'm looking to upgrade. Initially I contacted my cable supplier (Wide Open West) to upgrade to at least digital, but after lots of searching and reading discovered that satellite may be a better and cheaper alternative. Of the satellite providers, I think Dish Network fits my desires best. Here's my set up and options.

2 TVs – 1 HD, 1 SD
Costs based on Dish Network web site and AT120 programming

Option 1:
TV 1 HD – 811 receiver
TV 2 Digital – 311 receiver
Cost $49.98

Option 2:
Both TVs Digital with DVR – 522 receiver
Cost $44.97

Option 3:
Both TVs Digital – 322 receiver
Cost $39.99

Here are a few questions or assumptions that I would like confirmed regarding these different options.

Option 1 - The HD option is my first choice so that I can actually use the HD capabilities of my TV, but I have a couple areas of concern.

1. The 811 receiver – people seem to be having a lot of problems with it. Have most of the issues been solved, particularly the ones involving picture quality?
2. Can I still use the POP feature on my TV with the 811?
3. Getting local stations in HD though an OTA antenna – I checked the antenna web site and all local stations that I watch are yellow and within 20 miles. I'd like to test out my reception before I subscribe to HD. If I pick up a Zenith SS indoor antenna and connect it to my TV (disconnecting the existing cable connection) would that be an accurate test of my ability to receive local HD when hooked up to the 811?

Option 2, 3 – For $5 a month I would prefer the DVR capabilities, but once again, reading about all the problems that people are having with the 522 has made me afraid of it.

4. Is the 322 a more tested stable receiver than the 522?
5. Is it possible to back up/copy programs that I have on the DVR to a DVD using a DVD burner?
6. If yes to 5, can this be done directly or in bulk or do you have to replay the program and just copy it to DVD while it's replaying?

Thanks for any assistance you can provide to help me make the best decision.
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I thought that Dish retained ownership and was just loaning/leasing the receiver to you and that you would have to return it to them if you dropped their service. Based on that assumption I figured it would cost me an extra $180 for the next year ($10 per month for the first 6 months of "free" HD - see 1st post in thread - and $20 per month for the next 6 months). That's why I figured that for just $20 extra I could actually own the receiver if I went with the Samsung OTA option. If I was wrong and you truly get the 811 to keep for free, then it wouldn't make much sense for me to buy my own.
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I would call dish and ask. I have bought all of my equipment, except recently they offered to upgrade two of my receivers for $24 and sent me two 811's. Those are leased now for $4.95 a month, so I don't know if they are always dish's or mine after a year.
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sprintcarcrazy said:
I would call dish and ask. I have bought all of my equipment, except recently they offered to upgrade two of my receivers for $24 and sent me two 811's. Those are leased now for $4.95 a month, so I don't know if they are always dish's or mine after a year.
You are the type of poster I hate to see. You have more money to spend apparently than you know what to do with. You seem to have entered into a contract with DISH Notwerk and don't even understand the terms. Your lease is just that a lease not a lease purchase you also have agreed to buy DISH Notwerks HDTV programming package at $10 per month after the 50%off first time deal. You are really paying $5.00/Mo. to lease the 811 and $10 for 5 channels of HD package. :no :no :no
boba
buster said:
Thanks for the feedback so far.

Here's another option that I've just started to kick around. I do like the idea getting HD for my HDTV, but I don't see myself spending much time watching the few HD stations that Dish Network offers in their current HD programming line up. Most of the HD programs that I would watch are on the local stations.

So, would it be better to just stick with digital from Dish and buy my own HD receiver (just noticed a nice Samsung at Circuit City for $200 after rebate) and antenna to get the local HD stations OTA?

Would there be any problem running a satellite digital receiver and a regular HD receiver on the same set?
Buster I have a Samsung T151 that I returned to them in November for an under warranty software upgrade. The receiver worked when I sent it in, in December I received an updated T-151 from Samsung (CVE) that failed within 24 hours. CVE their repair arm sent a shipping label to return it to them in January I received a replacement that wouldn't even power up. After two months I am without a standalone HDTV receiver and very disappointed in Samsungs customer relations. I also have 2 Hughes HDTV receivers working great and a DISH 6000 I use only for OTA HDTV (piece of junk). Most cable companies don't charge or charge very little to upgrade you to HDTV if they offer it, why not try it from your cable company then drop it if it looks like it isn't worth it. :)
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buster said:
Thanks for the feedback so far.

Here's another option that I've just started to kick around. I do like the idea getting HD for my HDTV, but I don't see myself spending much time watching the few HD stations that Dish Network offers in their current HD programming line up. Most of the HD programs that I would watch are on the local stations.

So, would it be better to just stick with digital from Dish and buy my own HD receiver (just noticed a nice Samsung at Circuit City for $200 after rebate) and antenna to get the local HD stations OTA?

Would there be any problem running a satellite digital receiver and a regular HD receiver on the same set?
I was running an OTA HD receiver and my Dish receiver at the same time--worked great. As long as your HDTV has a spare set of inputs for the HD you should be fine. I've since went with the Dish 921 so the OTA receiver is no longer being used. It was a US Digital available from Walmart for just under $200. It doesn't have DVI, just component outputs but it worked great for my locals. Hope this helps.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Boom Boom ( Out Go The Lights ) - Pat Travers
dfergie
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
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Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough bread.

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Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
osu1991
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:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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no worries soon you will no longer need to pay for health care as it will be Medicaid for all -and you will be able to save all those monthly payments.
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AZ.
no worries soon you will no longer need to pay for health care as it will be Medicaid for all -and you will be able to save all those monthly payments.
That will be hard as Medicaid is being cut by 1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years?
b4pjoe
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs
Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?
vazhog
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
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The 2030s will likely bring renewed health reform
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If you are a former Cuttinge Edge member who has converted to Stream, please contact me.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
Almighty1
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
I have a Hopper Plus and no issues either. charlesrshell has both a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and one without, he doesn't have the same issue. Before blaming it on the Hopper Plus, he should see if the problem still exists without the Hopper Plus connected as it could be the Internet connection itself or some setting in the router itself. There is someone in another thread who has EHD issues on the Hopper 3 only setup but does not have the EHD issues on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and he has already tried swapping the EHD and it did not make a difference so like the saying, YMMV.
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Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
The Roku costs $$$, Hopper Plus is free. That may not be the only costs as it depends if the TV in question still has available HDMI ports and if not, it will require a HDMI switch and HDMI cable which adds more to the cost.

I have a LG 3D OLED Smart TV and I still need either of them because it does not have Android TV built in. Add a Hopper Plus and see if you actually have issues or not as until you actually tried it, it means nothing.
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dishstaller
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This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.

I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.

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harshness
They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole.
The "Secure Asset Fund" had about $1 billion in reserves... in Bitcoin.

The fund started in 2018, so it may take a while to make investors whole, much less replenish the fund.
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The "Secure Asset Fund" had about $1 billion in reserves... in Bitcoin.

The fund started in 2018, so it may take a while to make investors whole, much less replenish the fund.
That's kinda what I was seeing but all the news reports are suggesting that all investors will be made whole immediately.
The other thing they weren't clear about was the BTC that was "locked out" of the system. I guess that means that the stolen BTC is basically worthless now because I don't see how it could be replaced....but there is a LOT about the crypto world that leaves me scratching my head.
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This is what scares me about cryptocurrency: there doesn't seem to be any oversight.

It seems more like politics than investing.
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A few clarifications... the ~$3B "locked" was mostly stablecoins (USDT/USDC). Tether and Circle can blacklist their own tokens, which makes those worthless to the thief. Bitcoin and ETH have no issuer, so they can't be frozen. That's the ~$2.4–3.3B the hackers still have, so the stolen BTC is very much not worthless to them. It was also spread across 10 blockchains, not just bitcoin. On getting made whole: SAFU is ~15,000 BTC (~$1.2B), and Binance says it'll cover the rest from company funds. Analysts don't see it as a solvency problem, and withdrawals are expected back within days.

The attack was pinned on North Korea's TraderTraitor group via a compromised engineer laptop. Like many hacks and compromises, that's old-school social engineering, not AI.

This is what scares me about cryptocurrency: there doesn't seem to be any oversight.

It seems more like politics than investing.

That's the tradeoff stablecoins make - a central issuer that can freeze funds, which is why half the loot got stopped. Bitcoin and ETH have no one in charge, so nobody can reverse a theft, but nobody can freeze your coins either. Stablecoins trade price volatility for trusting a central issuer.
dishstaller
That's the tradeoff stablecoins make - a central issuer that can freeze funds, which is why half the loot got stopped. Bitcoin and ETH have no one in charge, so nobody can reverse a theft, but nobody can freeze your coins either. Stablecoins trade price volatility for trusting a central issuer.
Thanks....that fills in some of the missing pieces.
Why some of the money could be locked and the rest not was a gigantic hole is every story I read. I thought "well if they can lock up stolen BTC, then why couldn't they do the same thing to BTC that is used for ransom or some other illegal activity?". NOW I understand.
I miss the days when you could read a news story and now walk away with more questions than answers.
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Ramy
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
Jimbo
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?
No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
Ronnie-
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
Jimbo
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.
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The problem with rankings and playoffs is that they are designed to hype the game and make money. Period.

The only reason that BYU and Texas Tech were upsets is that they were hyped up in the standings in the first place. I love watching BYU and Bear Bachmeier. They are a fun and talented team, but not nearly so strong, fast, big, and skilled as a true top ten team. Does anyone truly believe they could compete with the likes of Georgia, Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama, etc.? Yet, they were ranked above those teams.

Each year, there are 10 to 12 teams who truly could compete for the championship if it depended on winning more than one game in a playoff. Including teams like James Madison, Tulane, BYU, etc. in a playoff has nothing to do with determining a national champion. It's just about money.
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Ronnie-
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.


You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

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But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
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Jimbo
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.



But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.


I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.


With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.
No, no ... if you want to make the playoffs, you want to Win it ... If you want to Win it, you need to Win 4-5 games in a row against Top 10 teams for the most part, theres a Possibility you'd play someone out side of the Top 10, but not much.

The Playoffs is a 4-5 game Win or Go Home.