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Bradtothebone

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Last reply Feb 8, 2005 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Will MPEG-4 change E*'s view on OTA?

With all the recent talk of HD local-into-local (since the VOOM satellite purchase), and the transition to MPEG-4, this question comes to mind:

Will the next generation MPEG-4 receivers and DVR's support OTA at all? Think about it.......If you were Charlie (or Rupert, for that matter), would you want to give people an easy way to get "free" HD locals if you were offering HD locals on the satellite?

Another question: What would you charge for HD LIL's if you were Charlie or Rupert? $10.00/mo? $12.00/mo? I wouldn't pay a dime for them, because I get them OTA for free, but if you are used to paying $6.00 for compressed SD locals, you might be tempted.

For this reason (among others), I believe I'll be using my 921 for some time to come.

What do you all think?

Brad

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Derwin0

Jan 26, 2005

caesar gdi said:
Not me... I would mandate all TVs tho.

There is a mandate. But they are starting with the larger size TV's and working their way downward each year.

Bradtothebone

Jan 26, 2005

But back to my original point. Satellite receivers have never (to my knowledge) had NTSC receivers in them, even BEFORE D* and E* started offering locals. This, of course, is because everyone had a TV or VCR that already had one or more NTSC tuners in it, and DVRs were few and far between.

Right now, ATSC tuners are still fairly rare, and, by putting them in their receivers, E* and D* are sweetening the pot for HD subscribers who can utilize them, especially because neither is able (at this moment) to offer HD locals. This is a great situation for consumers, because E* and D* are able to offer an integrated DVR solution for satellite and OTA.

Fast-forward to MPEG-4 times. Both E* and D* are offering HD locals. Why would they now want to put OTA ATSC tuners in their receivers? By that time, their customers will no-doubt have several ways to receive HD OTA, but only ONE INTEGRATED DVR solution - satellite LIL's.

Brad

caesar gdi

Jan 26, 2005

Brad your right I just found out that the ports that I thought was an NTSC tuner was just a passthru to your TV/VCR.... sorry!

The Big Wood

Feb 8, 2005

Bradtothebone said:
But back to my original point. Satellite receivers have never (to my knowledge) had NTSC receivers in them, even BEFORE D* and E* started offering locals. This, of course, is because everyone had a TV or VCR that already had one or more NTSC tuners in it, and DVRs were few and far between.
Brad

I haven't tried to hook up an antenna to anything except for my 811, but I seem to remember the model 5000 had something special that no other receiver (at that time) had. I think it had the ability to place your own labels on the channels received through an antenna. With that said, it had to have a NTSC receiver inside.

Just checked Dish's website for a manual on the 5000, but they don't show one for it (too old I guess!). They do have a manual online for the other receiver I have, which is a Dishplayer 7100. On page 20 of the manual, it talks about hooking up an antenna or cable to a connector. Sounds to me like they have built SOME sat receivers with NTSC receivers in them, maybe not all.

Anthony

lee espinoza

Feb 8, 2005

Bradtothebone said:
With all the recent talk of HD local-into-local (since the VOOM satellite purchase), and the transition to MPEG-4, this question comes to mind:

Will the next generation MPEG-4 receivers and DVR's support OTA at all? Think about it.......If you were Charlie (or Rupert, for that matter), would you want to give people an easy way to get "free" HD locals if you were offering HD locals on the satellite?

Another question: What would you charge for HD LIL's if you were Charlie or Rupert? $10.00/mo? $12.00/mo? I wouldn't pay a dime for them, because I get them OTA for free, but if you are used to paying $6.00 for compressed SD locals, you might be tempted.

For this reason (among others), I believe I'll be using my 921 for some time to come.

What do you all think?

Brad

For directv: the new DirecTV HD DVR will support 2 OTAs, with directv you will pay $5 for HD LIL and SD LIL if you can get or want them.

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 1 minute ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Claude's site is still up and running. New link required

I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

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dishstaller

Today at 5:34 PM

If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

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Scott Greczkowski

3 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

Scott Greczkowski

1 minute ago

Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working.

osu1991

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Last reply 14 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

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b4pjoe

Today at 3:49 PM

osu1991 said:
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

vazhog

Today at 4:05 PM

that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

osu1991

Today at 4:28 PM

b4pjoe said:
Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

Started my own business in 2006, been self employed for 20 years this year.

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meStevo

Today at 4:52 PM

vazhog said:
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

Even sarcastically it's wrong. Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls." The immigrant-related pieces are a small part of the ~$1 trillion. They cut the federal match for emergency care from 90% to the state's regular rate and end eligibility for some lawful immigrants like refugees. Most of the "savings" come from work requirements, more frequent eligibility checks, and provider tax limits, which hit citizens.

Either way, the cost doesn't disappear. It shifts to states, hospitals, and everyone else's premiums and will only serve to make issues like those raised in this thread worse.

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dishstaller

Today at 5:05 PM

meStevo said:
Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls."

That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

- California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
- Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]
- Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]
- New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
- Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
- Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
- Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

meStevo

Today at 5:55 PM

dishstaller said:
That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]

Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]

New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]

Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]

Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

Fair point, but it's consistent with what I said: no federal Medicaid money goes to undocumented immigrants. Those programs are state-funded, so the federal ~$1T cut can't touch them. Whatever states decide to do with their own programs is a separate budget decision.

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vazhog

14 minutes ago

The feds give money to the states for them to use - Cutting the fed funding only means the taxpayer savings will passed onto the states that need to make up the Fed dollars cut -See the list above for those states affected

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Today at 7:12 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Rest in Peace Walter Koenig & Patrick Stewart

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 5:53 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Can't You Hear Me Knocking - The Rolling Stones

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Boom Boom ( Out Go The Lights ) - Pat Travers

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Today at 5:30 PM

Palisades Park - Freddy "Boom Boom" Cannon

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Today at 5:42 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Apple's New Touchscreen MacBook Pro with Tandem OLED Display

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Today at 4:32 PM · posted in Linus Tech Tips

Ep. 35 - Best Tech for a Deserted Island...

Time for another AWESOME video from Linus Tech Tips!

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 4:12 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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dfergie

Oct 19, 2026

Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)

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Monday at 2:53 PM

Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.

dfergie

Yesterday at 1:26 PM

Sweet tea…

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TRG

Yesterday at 1:50 PM

Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.

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Today at 4:12 PM

Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough toast.

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dfergie

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Last reply Today at 4:09 PM · posted in The Sports Section

Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

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dfergie

Sep 26, 2026

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/FN7KEVee0IY?is=G-gCAp4CudLNgaYP

Foxbat

Sep 26, 2026

Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.

dfergie

Oct 9, 2026

Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…

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Yespage

Oct 16, 2026

Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.

dfergie said:
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…

HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.

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Yespage

Today at 4:09 PM

NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 4:02 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network