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Last reply Feb 6, 2005 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

new customer to dish network

i am former Cox customer, i been with them for almost 8 years. There service over the years has become better but as does their prices.

i got top 180 right now with dish for 50 that inclucdes the local channels. for the same 180 i was paying $69 with my cox that's before the expected reate increat of $3 and some change. All the packages they are currently offering will no longer be offered. Everything would be sold individually. At this point they sell each of the premium channels individually no combination. The ultimate package is close to $90.

main reason i switched to dish network is the offering of international channels. Cox has upgraded their network to digital and the list of international is still very short and still lost of empty channels and there doesn't seem to any effort by them to add more channels.

Best thing about Cox is the high speed internet which cost $55 for non-cable customers for me it was $40. Not a bad deal but you pay for bunch of local channels which aren't worth paying for.

just wanted to give my opinion on this transation from cable to dish.

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GaryPen

Feb 4, 2005

I'm glad you have good cable ISP service. My friend, as well as a number of co-workers, aren't quite so lucky. There' service is always going down. My DSL has never been down.
Again, I have seen no discernable difference in my friend's dl speed compared to mine. Perhaps it is due to the intermittant nature of his service. To me, in my personal experience, the big speed difference is on mostly on paper. And, DSL defintely wins out on the reliability issue.
But, that's me. YMMV. I'm glad you are as happy with your cable service as I am with my DSL.

BTW, speaking of specs on paper, do you also believe that Dish Customer support is top notch because they won some nonsensical JD Power award?

dishrich

Feb 4, 2005

GaryPen said:
BTW, speaking of specs on paper, do you also believe that Dish Customer support is top notch because they won some nonsensical JD Power award?

You GOT to be kidding??? :shocked :shocked

Seriously, since you keep talking about "specs on paper", what "paper" is it that says "the more people in an area are using the cable ISP, speed is reduced because of shared bandwidth. This does not happen with DSL" that you state as fact??? (Hmm, maybe on all that advertising that DSL companies use against the cable co) PAPER is all that is, too - unless YOU can show me some evidence to the contrary.

OK, let's forget about the "specs on paper" - let's do a "real life" speed test. I will tell you straight up, that when I test my connection, I consistently get OVER 4mg of speed. I'll GUARANTEE you will NOT find many DSL connections that will get up there. Again, because of how DSL works, there are just TOO many variables involved to be able to get these kinds of speeds in "real life".

Now, in all fairness, I'm sure their are some cable co. that have problems too, like evidently your friend does. And I also agree that a higher speed cable modem is of little value if it's down all the time. (like my DSL was) I'll also agree that if I could NOT get a cable modem, I'd probably do DSL - that was actually the situation I was in when I first got DSL, as AT&T cable (who had the system before Insight took over) had not rewired my neighborhood. The DSL service was so crappy, I disconnected & went back to dial-up, as I was going to be moving in a month & knew cable modem was available at my new house.

I also agree that if someone only needs a moderate speed broadband connection that's cheaper, to replace dial-up, DSL is a valid alternative. But I guess my question about this is - if your DSL is SO much more reliable than your friend's cable modem, as well as being cheaper, why DOES he continue to pay more for such 2nd rate service?

wmhjr

Feb 4, 2005

Actually, Dishrich has some points

He's absolutely correct about the ridiculous myth that cable broadband subscribers "share bandwidth" and DSL subscribers don't. That's a big load of hooey. He is equally correct that the stated "up to 6mb/sec" performance stated by whoever is likely a pipe dream. He is further correct about the far greater sensitivity of DSL to distance. The fact is that DSL is largely unavailable to multitudes, and that things like FTTC and FTTH are yet to be fulfilled fantasies.

However, to be fair, the "up to 6mb/sec" performance is equally improperly quoted in cable.

The fact is that *on average*, cable broadband outperforms DSL because many DSL subscribers cannot get anything near ADSL performance to to distance and DSLAM constraints. Cable subs get far more consistent performance on average, with far less variability - but in many cases lower "top" speeds.

In any case, however, performance will be extremely dependent on where you live, and who your subscribers are. I cannot under any circumstances get DSL due to the fact that I live more than 22000 feet from the nearest CO. However, I have employees who tried DSL and went with Cable because of extremely poor DSL performance and availability. On the other hand, I have employees who love their DSL. I personally would just like to be able to get a static IP - something not offered by my residential cable broadband provider. I can tell you that two years ago I had outages on pretty much a weekly basis. Now, I don't have service interruptions for months at a time.

Bottom line? The only "facts" about cable v DSL any of us can really attest to are limited to our specific areas, and do not translate into anywhere else.

GaryPen

Feb 4, 2005

wmhjr said:
Bottom line? The only "facts" about cable v DSL any of us can really attest to are limited to our specific areas, and do not translate into anywhere else.

A very sound bottom line.

bw820

Feb 6, 2005

Well guys,
I made the switch from Cable modem to DSL earlier this week. So far, I have no complaints. I did get kicked off line and had to re register my modem once, but that was due to a power outage.
I know that my cable was faster, but my DSL is 1.5 and that is fast enough for me since I don't do much downloading anymore. I must admit though, I was pretty upset with the cable company when I cancelled my internet. Before I switched to the DSL offer, I called Insight and asked them if they had any kind of comparable rates to my DSL offer. No was the answer. I verified with them how much my service would be if I dropped my internet and only kept digital cable(only until I get dish, but they don't know that), It was confirmed at 54.00. When I called and cancelled my internet, they said that they would give it to me for 30.00 a month and two free months if I kept their service. I had to sign a 1 year contract to lock in my DSL at 26.00 a month, so now it was too late for me to switch back. Then She told me that my monthly rate for my digital cable was going to be 73.00 instead of 54.00. Which I was able to talk to a supervisor and get it back down to 62.00, I had to take a price increase for not having the bundled package.
Anyway, I am happy so far with my switch from cable to DSL. If that changes I will be sure to post that.

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osu1991

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Last reply Today at 5:55 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

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b4pjoe

Today at 3:49 PM

osu1991 said:
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

vazhog

Today at 4:05 PM

that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

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Today at 4:07 PM

The 2030s will likely bring renewed health reform

osu1991

Today at 4:28 PM

b4pjoe said:
Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

Started my own business in 2006, been self employed for 20 years this year.

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meStevo

Today at 4:52 PM

vazhog said:
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

Even sarcastically it's wrong. Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls." The immigrant-related pieces are a small part of the ~$1 trillion. They cut the federal match for emergency care from 90% to the state's regular rate and end eligibility for some lawful immigrants like refugees. Most of the "savings" come from work requirements, more frequent eligibility checks, and provider tax limits, which hit citizens.

Either way, the cost doesn't disappear. It shifts to states, hospitals, and everyone else's premiums and will only serve to make issues like those raised in this thread worse.

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dishstaller

Today at 5:05 PM

meStevo said:
Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls."

That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

- California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
- Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]
- Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]
- New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
- Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
- Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
- Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

meStevo

Today at 5:55 PM

dishstaller said:
That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]

Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]

New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]

Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]

Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

Fair point, but it's consistent with what I said: no federal Medicaid money goes to undocumented immigrants. Those programs are state-funded, so the federal ~$1T cut can't touch them. Whatever states decide to do with their own programs is a separate budget decision.

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

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Last reply Today at 5:34 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Claude's site is still up and running. New link required

I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

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I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

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If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.

dfergie said:
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