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One oddity that exists in the Dish Network lineup is that MSNBC is available in the Welcome Pack, but not available on America's Top 120 and America's Top 120 Plus. In order to get it, one has to either subscribe to at least America's Top 200, or slide down the ladder all the way to a package that is basically "local channels, MSNBC, and some other random stuff".
In addition to that, it is also a strange situation in so far as MSNBC is a staple of "expanded basic cable" -- not in every market, but in the vast majority of them. America's Top 120 Plus seems to be the most equivalent package, but doesn't have it.
Finally, without MSNBC in most popular dish packages, it leaves people with a conservative news channel (FOXNews) and a moderate news channel (CNN), but no channel representing liberals or the Democratic Party or however you want to put it. So, there is a lack of ideological balance in terms of the news offerings without MSNBC in America's Top 120(+). CurrentTV appears to be set to morph into a liberal news offering -- but it's not available in that 120 package either.
Anyone know what the deal is? Any chance of MSNBC being added to America's Top 120(+) sometime this year?
It's an issue for me personally because it's my favorite news channel and I'm probably going to have to slide to America's Top 120 Plus at the end of the year when my new customer promotional rate expires. But I doubt it's just me. Democrats are half the country, give or take, and since the party is known to represent the little guy, I'm guessing a lot of people who can't afford the higher packages want to see it.
In addition to that, it is also a strange situation in so far as MSNBC is a staple of "expanded basic cable" -- not in every market, but in the vast majority of them. America's Top 120 Plus seems to be the most equivalent package, but doesn't have it.
Finally, without MSNBC in most popular dish packages, it leaves people with a conservative news channel (FOXNews) and a moderate news channel (CNN), but no channel representing liberals or the Democratic Party or however you want to put it. So, there is a lack of ideological balance in terms of the news offerings without MSNBC in America's Top 120(+). CurrentTV appears to be set to morph into a liberal news offering -- but it's not available in that 120 package either.
Anyone know what the deal is? Any chance of MSNBC being added to America's Top 120(+) sometime this year?
It's an issue for me personally because it's my favorite news channel and I'm probably going to have to slide to America's Top 120 Plus at the end of the year when my new customer promotional rate expires. But I doubt it's just me. Democrats are half the country, give or take, and since the party is known to represent the little guy, I'm guessing a lot of people who can't afford the higher packages want to see it.
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MSNBC?? Never heard of it.. Nor has hardly anyone else according to the ratings.. 
What is this MSNBC you speak of? Is that one of those infomercial channels??
If you are watching that for your news you have far more problems that worrying about what pack it is in.....
(....just a little humor...)
BTW I would say AT120 is close to Cable basic....
If you are watching that for your news you have far more problems that worrying about what pack it is in.....
(....just a little humor...)BTW I would say AT120 is close to Cable basic....
MSNBC?? Never heard of it.. Nor has hardly anyone else according to the ratings..
It was beating CNN in the 8:00pm hour recently. Don't know if that is still true or not after losing Olbermann (The former host of MSNBC's 8:00 show).
MSNBC is basically the reason I have AT200 right now also. I looked at the packages and said "What's the cheapest package I can get that has both Orioles games (and other basic sports content) and MSNBC?", and selected that package. There are some other channels (mainly sports related) that AT200 has and AT120+ doesn't, that I enjoy getting, but none are really "must haves" for me the way MSNBC is.
Economic necessity may force a move further down in year two of my contract after the promotional rate expires, though. I'm under contract for year two, but in year three if someone can offer me a cheaper package (or one at the same price as AT120+) that includes all the basic stuff I watch including MSNBC...
I always thought of basic as being a lifeline type service with over-the-air stuff, and expanded basic being a "no cable box" wire-into-the-television service with the core stuff that one thinks of as cable (ESPN, ESPN2, TNT, TBS, USA, local sports RSNs, etc..). I vaguely remember that being the way it used to be on old cable bills of yesteryear (I could be wrong). Even the cable companies have moved off that specific terminology, though -- my last bills with Comcast called it something else.
Comcast offers MSNBC on their most common tier in my area, which is essentially the lowest tier people are willing to pay for. That excludes their lifeline type service and a new offering that doesn't have sports they are trying to sell people on -- those are lower, but most people just say "Forget it" and pocket the money instead of paying for tv if they get to that point.
I consider those news broadcasts to be center-right. There may have been a "liberal news media" a few decades ago, but if there ever was, there isn't today. The most watched cable news outlet is very conservative (FOXNews), conservative talk show hosts dominate am radio, and a lot of the "objective" network news casts frame things in a conservative way (i.e. "Should we cut social programs drastically or just a little?" rather than "Should we cut them at all?" or "Should we increase them?").
What is this MSNBC you speak of? Is that one of those infomercial channels??
If you are watching that for your news you have far more problems that worrying about what pack it is in.....
BTW I would say AT120 is close to Cable basic....
yes its the infomercial channel
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This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.
I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.
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I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.
Hackers steal $6.3 billion from Binance in biggest-ever cryptocurrency theft
The company later added it began recovering assets impacted by the breach after pledging to cover losses using its Secure Asset Fund for Users.
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So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Tony as the director.
Would you rather have LaRoche ???Tony as the director.
No. Bring in someone new.
Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...No. Bring in someone new.
Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)
Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.
Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.
It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.
After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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