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Last reply Apr 16, 2011 · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

What you should know about the quality of your satellite equipment!

You think all satellite products are the same quality? You may think different after reading this article. Read on, you may be surprised at what you'll find out!

As you know the economy is not at its best right now, and the satellite industry is no different than any other industry. Material suppliers, manufacturers, distributors, & dealers have seen a drop in business. Competition is at its peak on all channels. As business owners, we always have to come up with ways to stimulate business and increase sales in order to remain in business and keep our customers from going to the competition. We have a few choices when it comes to lowering prices to our customers without lowering our profit margins in hopes that we continue selling more products and keep our customers. Any company & business person knows that you can't drop your profit margin past a certain level by wanting to offer lower prices if you want to remain in business. So when we decide to lower our prices we also have to lower our cost on our products to still keep a comfortable profit margin. At this point we have a few options. Most common options to lower our cost is:

1. Lowering cost by using tier "B" material & supplies in products we manufacture. If you don't know what tier "B" materials are, read below for an explanation.

or

2. Continue using tier "A" material & try to negotiate with material suppliers to lower cost on the same material and not take away from the integrity and quality of our products.

Tier "A" materials are materials that have passed quality control and have been tested to perform to higher standard and are of a higher quality. Tier "B" materials are materials that have failed the quality control testing process of performing to a higher standard required for continuous and reliable performance, but still perform for a short period of time after use.

Unfortunately, in addition to selling tier A material, suppliers, specially overseas suppliers, also sell tier B material in order to minimize loss. Tier "B" material is usually sold at a reduced price of +/- 50% to the factories & manufacturers.

The most common & easiest option to a manufacturer or distributor is option #1 above. It does not take much work. Unfortunately when this happens, the consumer and dealer alike, have to be stuck with inferior product that they need to support for their customers.

When you see a dramatic drop in prices from a distributor, you have to ask yourself how is the distributor able to all of the sudden drop their prices, permanently cut their profit margin and still be able to offer a quality product. Something just does not add up.

We have recently received many complaints from new customers who have switched to us for better quality products stating that they were glad to see prices drop from their previous distributors, but the quality of the products and performance is not what it used to be. They have issues with their customers who demand good quality. They say that they are not able to get warranty service on the product, and having to hassle with their own distributor over the quality of product the distributor offers.

WS International only uses tier A material in our WS International line of satellite products.

I'm sure you have seen reviews of WS International products done by actual customers and hobbyists on many knowledgeable and honest discussion forums like SatelliteGuys.us and LegalFreeToAir.com. You have seen time after time that our products outperform and smoke the competition. Unlike some of our competitors, we don't ask our dealers and resellers to do bias product reviews because the fact that they sell our products would make them obviously bias. This would be very unfair to the end-user and provide one-sided information. We ask end-users who use the products on a daily basis to review our products and give us their most honest opinion. You can see these honest opinions and reviews on many trusted & largest online discussion forums like the ones named above.

Now you know why WS International products offer a 2-year warranty. We take pride in providing customers with quality products and only use tier A material and negotiate with our material suppliers for lower cost based on our buying power. We don't believe in cutting corners & sacrificing quality in order to offer lower prices. We offer low prices based on our ability to purchase in larger quantities. WS International manufactures the highest quality satellite receivers, Ku band and C band LNB and LNBFs while offering unbeatable prices for the quality of products we manufacture.

If you want cheap & inferior products and don't care about quality and performance, I suggest you continue purchasing equipment from other distributors that offering this. However, if you want reliability, quality, and performance, with less headaches, rely on genuine WS International brand of products.

While others try to compete based on price alone, we compete based on price, reliable quality, and reliable service. This is why WS International is the only company in North America that offers an entire 2-year warranty on our WS International brand of LNB, LNBFs, and LEXIUM line of satellite receivers and meters.

Thanks for taking the time to read this article & becoming more aware of the satellite equipment you purchase. I hope this helps you become more aware of the quality of products offered by us.

Robby Dosetareh
CEO, WS International

For those of you who have not seen our behind the scenes video of our LNB / LNBF, Signal Finder, and Switch factory, I have included a couple of them below also. Enjoy and for more videos, please visit our YouTube page

YouTube - WS International LNBF Factory - Final Inspection step

YouTube - LNB LNBF Testing At WS International Factory

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richyrich

Apr 15, 2011

I would take the dish plate, and turn it 90 degrees to the mount, then drill the 4 mount bolting hole exactly in the same place as they were, allowing the offset to be the same. Then i would use the mount pipe and skew the dish with it, from where i am 23 degrees counterclockwise from behind the dish. This would make the dish perform to its optimum on G19, making the larger dimension of the dish apply itself to horizontal. Parabolic dishes focus their signals into one round smaller space, it is what parabolic means compared to a circular (round, with any diameter measured the same, which can use an offset of the lnbf if it want) dish that focuses the signals to a round center point also...

Larry1

Apr 16, 2011

richyrich said:
I would take the dish plate, and turn it 90 degrees to the mount, then drill the 4 mount bolting hole exactly in the same place as they were, allowing the offset to be the same.

Ok so you are turning the reflector 90 degrees, but not the LNBF and arm.
I'm not sure about

richyrich said:
then drill the 4 mount bolting hole exactly in the same place as they were, allowing the offset to be the same.

Do you have any pictures of a dish you have done this to?

richyrich

Apr 16, 2011

Larry, if I butchered a dish, I would be guilty of destruction, and that is not any intent I can fathom being. My fathoms here are dish design, and design is not quality, it is for purposes and technical matching. In design, certain qualities of a product are brought out, and such is the basis of quality when compared to other qualities.

What I am saying, however, is: If a dishes diameter has a larger distance top to bottom compared to side to side; more area of the dish is focused to the feed from the vertical (parabolic's), thus higher gain on vertical transponders compared to horizontal ones. This is a quality the parabolic's of a dishes design brings out. If the dish plates of this kind, normally mounted, higher than wider, were compared to the same dish plate, 90 degree's mounted instead, one would notice that the horizontal transponder's gain would increase, while the vertical ones would be less. This would also match the CONUS beam patterns and differences between, and though the most southerly satellite would show the biggest difference, and such is skewing this type of dishes feed for correct reception of any satellite not directly south accomplishes "area" of the dish a little to my point; it is the dishes design which shows that I could prove any weakness it has in Horizontal transponder reception. This weakness in design is also a strength, because if you look at the beam patterns across the World, in South America (although Brazil's beam pattern is blobular) it matches the Continent types BETTER (CONUS, a coned head, using parabolic's to achieve an prescribed area), Africa, same thing; weaker verticals than horizontals, dish better in gain for verticals would balance the act...

How bout this, I'll do it for you next time i'm in California; we'll set up both dishes, and you watch me buy and butcher my 90 cm. 90 degrees off, at my time and expense (not a clients). I'll prove the same thing I am saying. Horizontal and Vertical beams attenuate according to the amount of area they must cover (because of distances the signal must travel), and if the sent beam pattern is wider than it is high (N to S); then it is a property of the signal (sent by the satellite in space) that the horizontal transponders are weaker, when received, than the same powered transponders of the same satellite that are vertical, because they must travel farther (and attenuate more) to get where they are going to, such is the "parabolic's"

Anole

Apr 16, 2011

is this a 25 quid arguement?

I know we're a little lax about threads going off topic.
However, this one has both wandered well off the path, AND is filled with felgercarb of the highest caliber!
"quality of your satellite equipment" is no longer being discussed, and so I'd suggest the thread be weeded or closed.

Dishman Dan

Apr 16, 2011

Anole said:
felgercarb

Thanks but I still have to figure out fahrvergnugen!

Mr Tony

Apr 16, 2011

Anole said:
I know we're a little lax about threads going off topic.
However, this one has both wandered well off the path, AND is filled with felgercarb of the highest caliber!
"quality of your satellite equipment" is no longer being discussed, and so I'd suggest the thread be weeded or closed.

agreed

closed

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 27 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

We're less than 4 weeks away from Voyager 1 reaching a distance of one light day from Earth

I've always been super interested in things space related so this is a pretty cool event coming up. Nov 18, 2026 early in the morning, Voyager 1 will reach the distance of one full light day from Earth. Took almost 50 yrs. I was 13 when it launched.

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Foxbat

Today at 12:57 AM

So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…

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Bruce

Today at 3:47 AM

Foxbat said:
So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…

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b4pjoe

Today at 8:40 AM

Foxbat said:
So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…

Thanks for that info. I will mark it on my calendar!

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Jimbo

27 minutes ago

Bruce said:
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Will the Jupiter 2 make it in time ....
Stay tuned ...

dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 29 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

You can't even trust the cost per ounce info in grocery stores anymore

I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.

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telstar_1

Wednesday at 2:22 PM

Juan said:
You are paying for the whole thing

Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.

Jimbo

Wednesday at 6:26 PM

telstar_1 said:
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.

I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.

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TRG

Wednesday at 6:41 PM

Jimbo said:
I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.

I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.

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Jimbo

Wednesday at 7:05 PM

TRG said:
I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.

Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz

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NYDutch

Wednesday at 7:39 PM

Jimbo said:
Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz

We have a regional ice cream company here that advertises that their ice cream containers are still a full half gallon.

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Jimbo

Wednesday at 8:54 PM

NYDutch said:
We have a regional ice cream company here that advertises that their ice cream containers are still a full half gallon.

Now check and see if any of them (probably a few) are actual Ice Cream ...

Most Ice Creams are Not actual Ice Cream.
Bryers for example, call Most of thiers "Frozen Dairy Dessert"

harshness

Thursday at 9:21 AM

NYDutch said:
Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only.

Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner.

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).

Jimbo

Thursday at 9:27 AM

harshness said:
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner.

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).

I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only

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harshness

Yesterday at 4:42 PM

Jimbo said:
I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only.

You would be thinking wrong when it comes to goods that are sold by weight (meat, produce, nails). Those items typically go on the scale wrapped without an associated tare. The weight only excludes the sticker because it hasn't been printed yet.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:08 PM

harshness said:
You would be thinking wrong when it comes to goods that are sold by weight (meat, produce, nails). Those items typically go on the scale wrapped without an associated tare. The weight only excludes the sticker because it hasn't been printed yet.

Thats ridiculous ....

Thats not how Deli does it, I know your talking pre packaged.
They need to CHANGE that.

harshness

Yesterday at 6:50 PM

Jimbo said:
Thats not how Deli does it, I know your talking pre packaged.

Perhaps only for sliced meat and cheese. Salads and similarly "shifty" or "drippy" items are typically weighed in deli cartons of some sort.

My monster burritos (up to two lbs.) are weighed in their foil jackets or paper mache take-out trays, and the jacket/tray is then "sealed" with the printed label as it comes off the printer.

Precision has to give way to practicality in situations like that.

TRG

Yesterday at 8:38 PM

Jimbo said:
Now check and see if any of them (probably a few) are actual Ice Cream ...

Most Ice Creams are Not actual Ice Cream.
Bryers for example, call Most of thiers "Frozen Dairy Dessert"

I only buy Tillamook and Alden's ice cream. The first ingredients are milk and cream.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:16 PM

harshness said:
Perhaps only for sliced meat and cheese. Salads and similarly "shifty" or "drippy" items are typically weighed in deli cartons of some sort.

My monster burritos (up to two lbs.) are weighed in their foil jackets or paper mache take-out trays, and the jacket/tray is then "sealed" with the printed label as it comes off the printer.

Precision has to give way to practicality in situations like that.

What ever I get out of the Deli is put into a container when I ask them for it, they weight the container and then add the deli product, thats the way its suppose to be, if the rest of the world is screwing you, you should try the place down the street.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:20 PM

TRG said:
I only buy Tillamook and Alden's ice cream. The first ingredients are milk and cream.

$7.50 a 1/2 gallon, thats worse than Bryers price wise.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:23 PM

TRG said:
I only buy Tillamook and Alden's ice cream. The first ingredients are milk and cream.

1st Big Question is ... How Much Sugar is in it and Sodium and Carbs ...
I' m really not suppose to have Ice Cream, or at least Moderately ....
Depending on the amount of sugar and sodium (don't think theres sodium in it, but Carbs probably is.)

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:24 PM

Jimbo said:
$7.50 a 1/2 gallon, thats worse than Bryers price wise.

I'll give that a try next time, if I can find some in the right sugar areas.

Juan

Yesterday at 9:25 PM

Jimbo said:
What ever I get out of the Deli is put into a container when I ask them for it, they weight the container and then add the deli product, thats the way its suppose to be, if the rest of the world is screwing you, you should try the place down the street.

They are probably cheating you by swapping store brand product for name brand...those store deli's are very sketchy

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Bobby

Yesterday at 9:40 PM

Jimbo said:
I'll give that a try next time, if I can find some in the right sugar areas.

22g per serving.

Juan

Yesterday at 9:51 PM

Bobby said:
22g per serving.

How much is a serving?

Bobby

Yesterday at 9:58 PM

Juan said:
How much is a serving?

2/3 of a cup, a large scoop.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:46 PM

Juan said:
They are probably cheating you by swapping store brand product for name brand...those store deli's are very sketchy

They are made every day at this place ... it's a little Ma and Pop store ...

When ever I order something, they weigh the container (like everyone is suppose to) then weigh the product, so you actually get what your paying for lb wise ...

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Juan

Today at 8:48 AM

Jimbo said:
They are made every day at this place ... it's a little Ma and Pop store ...

When ever I order something, they weigh the container (like everyone is suppose to) then weigh the product, so you actually get what your paying for lb wise ...

I apologize...I was thought you were talking about a supermarket deli

Jimbo

53 minutes ago

Juan said:
I apologize...I was thought you were talking about a supermarket deli

Well, it is a Super market deli, just not a MAJOR one .

navychop

35 minutes ago

Bobby said:
2/3 of a cup, a large scoop.

Awwww. You missed your chance to say "22 grams."

navychop

33 minutes ago

Jimbo said:
don't think theres sodium in it

According to "Miss A"" there is. Especially for higher end ones.

Jimbo

29 minutes ago

navychop said:
According to "Miss A"" there is. Especially for higher end ones.

I did look into that ... the ones I get have about 65mg, which is very little ... but then I wouldn't expect much to be in Ice Cream.
Carbs are more than I would have liked ...

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jamieh1

Last reply 55 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Hurricanes NHL game channel

Looks like DTV made a deal. I'm now getting it on ch 650. The tv promise slate is gone.

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Mr Tony

55 minutes ago

A few teams got a deal. Was posted yesterday in the Directv update thread

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/th...p-data-10-21-2026.402660/page-44#post-5109885

JSheridan

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 55 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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navychop

Oct 3, 2026

Years down the road

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renjy651

Oct 4, 2026

navychop said:
Years down the road

Looks like Charlie Ergen will never give up satellite TV. The reason Echostar 25 the most poweful DBS satellite ever built at 110 location already. Also Echostar 26 another super satellite on order for 119 orbital location will be ready in 15 months. he will have 110/119 for another 20 years. Dish will be the only satellte company left. The reason for rural areas and some people like satellite easy to operate and change channels in seconds.

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Mister B

Oct 5, 2026

renjy651 said:
Looks like Charlie Ergen will never give up satellite TV. The reason Echostar 25 the most poweful DBS satellite ever built at 110 location already. Also Echostar 26 another super satellite on order for 119 orbital location will be ready in 15 months. he will have 110/119 for another 20 years. Dish will be the only satellte company left. The reason for rural areas and some people like satellite easy to operate and change channels in seconds.

I hope these new "most powerful" satellites will mean that DISH can provide every channel that can be sourced in HD in HD. I do not like the fact that two of my favorite channels (Start and H&I) are SD. I was also very disappointed after installation that METV has to be streamed from my internet connection. Finally, I dropped the locals upon seeing that my local CW channel is in blurry letterboxed SD when it has been HD OTA for years.

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zippyfrog

Oct 5, 2026

Mister B said:
I hope these new "most powerful" satellites will mean that DISH can provide every channel that can be sourced in HD in HD. I do not like the fact that two of my favorite channels (Start and H&I) are SD. I was also very disappointed after installation that METV has to be streamed from my internet connection. Finally, I dropped the locals upon seeing that my local CW channel is in blurry letterboxed SD when it has been HD OTA for years.

This piece gets me - the fact that Dish has removed SD channels from satellite completely in the name of "HD upgrades". I pay for satellite TV, not streaming...I don't see why they couldn't leave the SD version of the channels on Satellite then put the HD streaming version like they have for other channels.

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navychop

Oct 5, 2026

zippyfrog said:
This piece gets me - the fact that Dish has removed SD channels from satellite completely in the name of "HD upgrades". I pay for satellite TV, not streaming...I don't see why they couldn't leave the SD version of the channels on Satellite then put the HD streaming version like they have for other channels.

CONTRACTS!

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 5:58 PM

navychop said:
CONTRACTS!

At this point one can only ask whether any live ch's are still distributed in SD. Other than maybe "classics" ch's that run only older stuff

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Strega

Yesterday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:15 PM

telstar_1 said:
At this point one can only ask whether any live ch's are still distributed in SD. Other than maybe "classics" ch's that run only older stuff

Personally, I would HATE to see a SD Channel at this point.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Today at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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Jimbo

56 minutes ago

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

Oh Yes, the Genaric Commercials .... have you seen the DR Trimmer commercials lately (and accessories )

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Jimbo

55 minutes ago

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

Not many are watching.
Majority are watching the same shows in HD or 4K

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TRG

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 8:05 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Prescription drug costs

Now that I'm retired, obviously I have different health care insurance. I take 2 prescriptions. With my old insurance I didn't have to pay for either of them, now I do. It's not a huge amount but it led me to dig a little into the cost of prescription medications. I have been using Walgreens for the longest time. But what I found was that Walgreens price is 4.8 times more for one of my prescriptions and the other is 2.3 percent more compared to the lowest price pharmacy. If you pay for prescription medications you might want to have a look at trumprx and see if you can get a lower price.

https://trumprx.gov/

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comfortably_numb

Thursday at 6:09 PM

I run them through several different providers to see who has the lowest cost

Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx

Also...

Homepage of Mark Cuban Cost Plus Drugs

Mark Cuban Cost Plus Drug homepage. Provides safe, affordable medicine or medication with transparent low prices.

www.costplusdrugs.com

You can also price them through the CareCard and WellRx apps.

Sometimes Amazon Pharmacy is cheapest.

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dishstaller

Thursday at 9:39 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Usually it's Walmart or Sam's + GoodRx

I'm fortunate and don't take any medications. A couple years ago I had to take some antibiotics and used the GoodRx app. Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher. She said they aren't supposed to tell customers when they see they are being screwed.

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navychop

Thursday at 9:49 PM

That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?

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Bobby

Thursday at 10:06 PM

navychop said:
That's ok. I probably take enough for the two of us.

God knows what Bobby takes. Maybe so much they count as a meal?

Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.

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klang

Yesterday at 7:41 AM

Bobby said:
Actually I take just 2 prescriptions, Atorvastatin and Lisinopril. They cost me $6 each for 100 pills. Next year that will be nothing.

Those are two of the three I take.

comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 8:44 AM

dishstaller said:
Went to Walmart and the person behind the desk knew me and told me to just buy them outright....the GoodRx price was a LOT higher

Walmart and Sam's pharmacies have "zero rated" prescriptions lists where generics are $4 (or less). If yours are on that list, then of course GoodRx isn't going to help. Also, GoodRx isn't always the cheapest discount program. For me, the cheapest is usually Mark Cuban's Cost Plus Drugs.

reubenray

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

My wife and I both take Gabapentin for nerve pain. With our Medicare Plan D plan it use to be free. Now we have to pay for it. Yesterday my wife got her prescription at CVS and the pharmacist dug around and got the cost cut in half with what he said was RX. I am guessing this was GoodRX.

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NYDutch

Today at 8:05 AM

Here in NY State, if you're 65 or older you're eligible for the state's EPIC (Elderly Pharmaceutical Insurance Coverage) Part D supplement that limits your maximum co-pay to $20. The co-pays range from $3 to $20 depending on the tier. The Part D included with my Advantage plan has many tier 1 drugs at no co-pay.

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 7:45 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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dishstaller

Thursday at 10:18 AM

Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

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savarese04

Thursday at 11:24 AM

dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.

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dishdude

Thursday at 2:02 PM

savarese04 said:
people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.

dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.

AZ.

Thursday at 2:24 PM

dishdude said:
Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.

I agree, for $35 it aint perfect but just as reliable as my cable was. And that was twice as much and still rising

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ncted

Today at 7:45 AM

Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 7:12 AM · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

New Gemini Box

The following is from Reddit. -
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/s/orzHBkmqQW

There appears to be a new DIRECTV Gemini OTT box, the C81KW-650.

The FCC listing is partially available, and a Geekbench entry confirms it uses an Amlogic S905X5, a solid SoC for a set-top box.

I also see 4GB of RAM, and the manufacturer is SEI Robotics.

DIRECTV C81KW OTT Box - Android TV Guide

Ok found a picture of the Box too on Reddit:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DirectvStream/comments/1twlex0/comment/opzeqi1/

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 1:51 PM

I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

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b4pjoe

Yesterday at 1:59 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

My guess it is like the 2 previous boxes where you can turn it off/on but requires a reboot once you make the change for the change to take effect. Not sure if there is some limitation in the hardware that won't allow it to change automatically to what is in the content like other devices do. Even DIRECTV satellites own C61K changes on the fly.

Tom Speer

Yesterday at 2:15 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price model, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrange model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disable all HDR.

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b4pjoe

Yesterday at 2:25 PM

Tom Speer said:
I only noticed that as a problem on TVs that handle HDR poorly. They don't have enough peak brightness or enough dimming zones. For instance, TCL makes three lines of TV, sort of like the old Sears model of Good, Better, Best. On my 4 or 5 year end low price mode, HDR looked awful (My neighbor likes the TV now). The midrannge model from the next model year ithat I have at my Lake home now looks pretty good in HDR all the time. The midrange TCL QM7 model from last year at my other home looks spectacular, as I remember. I haven't seen it for 6 months.

If I had a TV that does HDR poorly, I would configure the Gemini to disble all HDR.

I agree with that. The 2 LGs that we have Gemini's on looks far better with HDR enabled then it does with HDR off.

robjlevin

Today at 7:12 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know a few people who have gotten one and I am told like most modern streaming boxes this one also has HDR on all the time.

That would be a deal-breaker for me. The Rokus default to having it on all the time but it's easy enough to change that to native. If the content is HDR it goes on. Otherwise, no.

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 6:51 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 7:21 PM

Take Me To Heart - Quarterflash

ClarkGable

Yesterday at 10:03 PM

Take Me To The River - Talking Heads

long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 10:21 PM

Don't Take Me Alive - Steely Dan

hwkn

Today at 2:37 AM

TAKE On ME-A-Ha

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ClarkGable

Today at 6:51 AM

On Broadway - George Benson

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Bobby

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 12:42 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

4K Events Discussion Thread

This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.

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Foxbat

Oct 15, 2026

Which is what is interesting, I see the 4KFox channel on 148-01 but we're not subscribed to our Locals. So why it's coming in is puzzling. I thought that maybe it was a perk for Dish subscribers for the MLB Postseason.

I set a Timer for the Indiana - Ohio State game on Saturday. I'll take advantage of it while I can.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 4:48 PM

Foxbat said:
I set a Timer for the Indiana - Ohio State game on Saturday. I'll take advantage of it while I can.

Even though it didn't work out for the Hoosiers, this event recorded and I was able to watch it in full 4K HDR.

Bobby said:
MLB, Rays at Brewers, Friday 10-23, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.

Timer is set to Record the Series. Thanks, Bobby!

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 7:25 PM

No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...

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Jim5506

Today at 12:13 AM

long_time_Dish said:
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...

It's on Prime.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 12:20 AM

Jim5506 said:
It's on Prime.

Ah, ok, thanks!

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Foxbat

Today at 12:42 AM

The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!

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jcrandall

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 12:07 AM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.

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mario315

Oct 14, 2026

Well, this is awkward. Today the Miami Heat announced that their games in West Palm Beach this season will be aired on WTCN Channel 43, the Sinclair independent... and the station which DTV Stream downgraded from HD to SD a few weeks ago. Makes you wonder if the Heat is aware of this.

I did find the WTCN Chief Engineer (Bill Macbeth) and he said he knew nothing of what DTV Stream had done. Will look into it and get back to me.

harshness

Oct 15, 2026

One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

mario315

Yesterday at 11:55 PM

harshness said:
One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

KyL416

Today at 12:00 AM

WPLG/10 Miami is now available to stream customers

The CW stations WCWW/25 South Bend and WBKP/5 Marquette are testing on the stream server

Last week they also added a bunch of CW stations that are still not available to sat customers:
WETM-DT/19 Elmira
WJET-DT/25 Erie
KLFY-DT/11 Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 Utica
KFDX-DT/4 Wichita Falls

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mario315

Today at 12:07 AM

Well, that was fast ! DTV Stream brought back WTCN's HD signal today.

I have to assume the station signing up a week ago as the Miami Heat affiliate here (to carry their games) did the trick. NBA magic !!!

Or the station engineer took care of the problem after hearing about it.

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