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jdmcs

Last reply Feb 7, 2005 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Post-Install Trouble

I've had service for a week now, and have noticed a problem that has just started today.

When the installers put the dish up, they peaked the 105 satellite at right around seventy -- let's call it the high 60's just to be safe. Unfortunately I don't remember which transponder was used to peak the dish at 105.

Today I have had the problem of losing the 105 signal. Right now, one receiver (a 301) is getting 39-40 on 105 transponder 10 and is receiving my local NBC station just fine. (Its on a 13" TV, so I might not notice some pixelation.)

However, my 721 is not locked to the 105 satellite.

I have tried to look at the dish and don't see anything on the dish. However, being night time and 30 degrees outside, I won't rule out a light coating of frost on the dish. I looked up at the sky and didn't see any clouds. There are no trees in the way, and nothing has been erected within the dish line of sight in the past week.

Is the 105 satellite really this sensitive to frost, or is it more likely that the dish has moved? Is this covered under Dish's install warranty?

My locals were working correctly yesterday. I was able to watch The Apprentice without incident. Whatever the problem it seems to have started today...

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Stargazer

Feb 6, 2005

They should have at least had some walkie talkies and a signal meter to find out if the signal was coming in or not. You signal on 119 is acceptable but should be stronger than what you are getting. Signal on 110 is pretty good. If I were you I would call them back out seeing how the dish mount is getting loose so easily. Sounds like the wood that the bolts are going into may not be suitable enough for the bolts or the bolts are not suitable enough to mount the SuperDish. This may be better off put on a pole.

This is covered under warranty for 180 days. If you call Dish Network the retailer will get charged for the service call. You may want to remind them of that.

webbydude

Feb 6, 2005

Here's another point that needs to be made about the install. I'm assuming this was a Superdish. With that said, it's almost universal install policy to have that dish mounted on a pole in your yard. If it was roof-mounted, did the installers use the strut kit? That will generally give you increased support and prevent this shift in either AZ or EL that you experienced.

One final thing, you mentioned use of the window passthru's. These will generally cause more signal degradation than your typical RG6 lines simply being drilled thru the outside wall and coming into the home. No matter what, I would call Dish Network and have someone repeak the dish under the aspices of a install warranty "troublecall"

Stargazer

Feb 6, 2005

If there was a window passthru that uses a flat wire then that is most likely not DishPro compatable. Contact the retailer, get it repeaked, make them take out that window passthru (flast wire) which should only be used in legacy applications and put it through the floor or side of the house if that is possible or ok with you.

jdmcs

Feb 7, 2005

wobbie said:
One guy yelling out a window for signal strength????? That's almost too funny.

Yes, it was funny. Just I didn't laugh while they were here.

wobbie said:
If they had to do that to line a dish, I wonder what else they did or did not do.

They did not:
1. Secure the mast with six lag screws -- they only used four. (This was a wall mount job.)
2. Seal the holes.
3. Ground the dish.
4. Listen to me when I said not to put anything through the exterior wall, apartment rules. (One of the guys was going staple gun happy.)
5. Spend more than two minutes showing me how to use the receiver.
6. Clean everything up -- I found a couple of staples on the floor while barefoot, and luckily none of them went through my foot.

wobbie said:
When you say under window wire are you talking a flat wire thru the window so you can close the window, or does it go thru a wall??

I meant the flat RG-6 cables like the following: http://www.starlink-dss.com/FlatCable.htm. Just I got mine from eBay.

wobbie said:
If I may ask, what was the name of the outfit that did the install??

Antenna Star Satellites -- The service agreement form says "Philadelphia Office", but that certainly can't be right. The confirmation call came from a Norfolk phone number. I went directly through Dish, so I can't tell you exactly where this company is located.

Stargazer said:
They should have at least had some walkie talkies and a signal meter to find out if the signal was coming in or not.

They did have a signal meter... I'm not sure why he didn't use it to peak 105.

Stargazer said:
You signal on 119 is acceptable but should be stronger than what you are getting. Signal on 110 is pretty good.

I think that low signal was the fringes of a spot beam that I am not in. The other transponders on 119 are closer to 80.

My 110 signal is awesome. I found one transponder (12, I think) that I get a 111 signal strength!

Stargazer said:
If I were you I would call them back out seeing how the dish mount is getting loose so easily. Sounds like the wood that the bolts are going into may not be suitable enough for the bolts or the bolts are not suitable enough to mount the SuperDish.

I think its a combination of not enough screws used and no sealant on the screws that were used. We had two snow storms in the first week we had service, and the screws were penetrating painted untreated lumber.

Stargazer said:
This may be better off put on a pole.

I would if I could... I'm on a third-floor balcony. I don't think a bucket of cement would be sturdy enough for the SuperDish.

jdmcs

Feb 7, 2005

webbydude said:
Here's another point that needs to be made about the install. I'm assuming this was a Superdish. With that said, it's almost universal install policy to have that dish mounted on a pole in your yard. If it was roof-mounted, did the installers use the strut kit?

I presumed 105 would give away that it was a SuperDish, but I should have been more clear. The dish is wall mounted with the standard mount, no strut kit. I'm in an apartment, penetrating mounts are not allowed. Three floors up, ground pole mount is out.

webbydude said:
[M]ake them take out that window passthru (flast wire) which should only be used in legacy applications and put it through the floor or side of the house if that is possible or ok with you.

I couldn't care less how the coax makes it inside the apartment, as long as it works. However, my landlord has other concerns. It is their building and they don't allow penetrating the building. I don't think complaining to the FCC will help in this case, this could be considered a safety issue. Flat cables will have to stay.

But if they could go, then I bet my signal strengths would improve even more... but would not make any difference if the dish moves again.

TV show I'll avoid: "As The Dish Turns"... try to tell that to my dish.

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dishstaller

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Last reply 1 minute ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Claude's site is still up and running. New link required

I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

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dishstaller

Today at 5:34 PM

If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.

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Scott Greczkowski

3 minutes ago

dishstaller said:
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

DishRetailer

America's Oldest Satellite Forum!

satelliteretailer.com

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.

Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!

Scott Greczkowski

1 minute ago

Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working.

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Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

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Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

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b4pjoe

Today at 3:49 PM

osu1991 said:
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

vazhog

Today at 4:05 PM

that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

osu1991

Today at 4:28 PM

b4pjoe said:
Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

Started my own business in 2006, been self employed for 20 years this year.

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meStevo

Today at 4:52 PM

vazhog said:
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

Even sarcastically it's wrong. Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls." The immigrant-related pieces are a small part of the ~$1 trillion. They cut the federal match for emergency care from 90% to the state's regular rate and end eligibility for some lawful immigrants like refugees. Most of the "savings" come from work requirements, more frequent eligibility checks, and provider tax limits, which hit citizens.

Either way, the cost doesn't disappear. It shifts to states, hospitals, and everyone else's premiums and will only serve to make issues like those raised in this thread worse.

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dishstaller

Today at 5:05 PM

meStevo said:
Undocumented immigrants already weren't eligible for federal Medicaid, so there's no one to "get off the rolls."

That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

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- Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]
- Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]
- New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]
- Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]
- Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]
- Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

meStevo

Today at 5:55 PM

dishstaller said:
That's only part correct. Actually I had to look it up to make sure. There is NO Federal money going to Medicaid for illegals but there ARE some states that use State money to pay for Medicaid for illegals. Here's the list

California: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Colorado: Covers specific adult demographics (with upcoming budget caps in 2027). [1]

Illinois: Covers specific adult age brackets. [1]

New York: Covers specific adult demographics. [1]

Oregon: Covers all income-eligible undocumented adults. [1, 2]

Washington: Covers specific adult demographics. [1, 2]

Washington, D.C.: Provides adult coverage through the D.C. Health Care Alliance. [1, 2]

Fair point, but it's consistent with what I said: no federal Medicaid money goes to undocumented immigrants. Those programs are state-funded, so the federal ~$1T cut can't touch them. Whatever states decide to do with their own programs is a separate budget decision.

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vazhog

14 minutes ago

The feds give money to the states for them to use - Cutting the fed funding only means the taxpayer savings will passed onto the states that need to make up the Fed dollars cut -See the list above for those states affected

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