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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Hi all, I'm new to the OTA scene but my wife and I want to drop our cable bill and just go with OTA and internet streaming. I'm basically looking for advice on an antenna to get the channels we want. Ideally, we'd get the big 4, ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC. Fox and CBS are required, because I need my HD Football.

Here is my TV Fool link: TV Fool

Is it possible for me to get NBC? And if so, which antenna would you recommend to me. Not having NBC isn't a deal broker though, so if it isn't possible to get NBC, which antenna would you recommend for the other 3 stations?

I plan to mount this on my roof in back where my DirecTV dish is right now. So the smaller the antenna the better, my wife gets weird about alien looking things on the roof. :D

I appreciate any advice anyone can give me. Thanks!
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Thanks for the great suggestions guys. The Winegard 7694 looks like a perfect size, not too big at all. I think I'd like to go that route. I'm also going to be splitting to 4 tvs so I'm assuming I'd need a pre amp regardless because of the splitting. So just to make sure, these are the two things I would need in order to get the channels I want?

Winegard HD 7694P
Winegard AP-8700 Preamplifier

Also, where would the preamp be connected in the setup? Would I run a coax from the antenna on the roof down to the basement where I would be splitting to the TVs and connect the coax from the antenna to the preamp down there? And then from the preamp to the splitter? Just want to make sure I understand how this is going to work before I make the jump.

Thanks again for all the great feedback!
sergei
Thanks for the great suggestions guys. The Winegard 7694 looks like a perfect size, not too big at all. I think I'd like to go that route. I'm also going to be splitting to 4 tvs so I'm assuming I'd need a pre amp regardless because of the splitting. So just to make sure, these are the two things I would need in order to get the channels I want?

Winegard HD 7694P
Winegard AP-8700 Preamplifier

Also, where would the preamp be connected in the setup? Would I run a coax from the antenna on the roof down to the basement where I would be splitting to the TVs and connect the coax from the antenna to the preamp down there? And then from the preamp to the splitter? Just want to make sure I understand how this is going to work before I make the jump.

Thanks again for all the great feedback!

The problem I see is the antenna your talking about per Winegard specifications is right at the limit quoted by them.
The Winegard 7694P antenna has been specifically tuned for channels 7-69.This antenna has a range for 30 miles for VHF and 25 miles for UHF signals. http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.as...tm_source=google_base_03_TV_Antennas&more=yes

Will it work in all weather conditions to me it's questionable as it appears that your right on the edge and some stations may drop out on you, remember this is digital and not like the old analog signals, it's usually all or nothing. If the signal is weak then the preamp may help or it may just help increase the signal/ noise factor, but that may depend on the amp you buy. One with the lowest noise would be best.
[FONT=&quot]It's a lot easier at this point to go larger and to some it might be an over kill but this way you only have to spend the money one time, if you go too small then you maybe disappointed with what you get.[/FONT]

First, the basics Of capturing the signal, the antenna, and its connection -
1. The most important piece of the Antenna System is the antenna.
The stronger the signal you have at the antenna the better you can achieve reliable high quality reception. Many factors contribute to the signal strengths of various stations, including:
(a) antenna gain, (b) system Noise Figure, (c) distance, (d) station transmitting power, (e) obstacles between the station transmitter and the receiving location, (f) height of the transmitter antenna, (g) height of the receiving antenna, (h) reflections from obstacles and moving vehicles that can partially cancel the signal
Best practice dictates that the amplifier be connected as close to the antenna element as possible to avoid additional introduction of RF noise, or attenuation of the signal, both of which have the effect of lowering the S/N Ratio
No Static At All
Very good points, but WAF rules here. Therefore the 7694 being the highest gain VHF-HI/UHF antenna for it's size, is likley the best compromise for the OP. The mileage ratings on antennas are misleading in the real world for the most part.
sergei
The mileage ratings on antennas are misleading in the real world for the most part.

The mileage rating that most manufacture state is normally always higher than what the antenna can delivery in the real world. They come up with these numbers under ideal test conditions which most installations are not going to be able to duplicate.
No Static At All
While bloated mileage numbers are the norm for many manufacturers, I find Winegard's to be conservative in most cases.

Comparing gain figures is a much better way to select the appropriate antenna.
sergei
While bloated mileage numbers are the norm for many manufacturers, I find Winegard's to be conservative in most cases.

Comparing gain figures is a much better way to select the appropriate antenna.

For those wondering how they test their antennas this might prove interesting reading.

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Near Field Range Antenna Test Center
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At last, no more waiting to test your new
antennas. Winegard Company has a state of-the-art vertical planar near-field antenna measurement system on site.
The vertical planar near-field range is designed for testing medium to high gain antennas (gain higher than 15 dBi). It provides comprehensive and valuable information on the performance of the antenna under test (co- and cross-polarization patterns, gain, sidelobe, beam width, beam pointing, axial ratio, etc.).
Features:

  • Frequency of operation is up to 40 GHz.
  • Scan area of 5 ft. by 5 ft.
  • Radiation patterns of up to +/- 70° in azimuth and elevation can be measured.
  • Range is housed in a room which has RF absorber on the side walls to minimize multipath.
  • Range consists of NSI robotic scanner, Agilent E8363B network analyzer, NSI antenna measurement software, other RF hardware, and a computer for data acquisition and processing.
Overview of Near-Field Measurement
In a planar near-field measurement system, the antenna under test (AUT) remains stationary during the test and the probe antenna is moved in both X and Y directions such that a grid of near-field samples is formed.
The robotic scanner carries the probe antenna, which is connected to the Agilent E8363B network analyzer (PNA) from one port. The other PNA port is connected to the AUT. The PNA measures the near-field grid samples, which are amplitude and phase measurements of the AUT response.
The size of the near-field grid or the scan size is determined from the AUT size, the probe antenna size, the probe-to-AUT spacing, and the maximum far-field angle. Once the measured near-field grid of the AUT is formed, a Fourier transform of the near-field grid results in the far-field pattern.
After measuring the AUT, the standard gain horn (SGH) antenna is measured. The measured SGH data is then used to determine the AUT gain by comparing the far-field level of the AUT to that of the SGH. The difference in signal level between the AUT and the SGH is the difference in gain between the AUT and the SGH.
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Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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Rest in peace. Wow, so many good roles, but Jean Luc Picard will always be my favorite...
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R.I.P.
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Rest In Peace
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R.I.P., Jean-Luc.
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

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Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
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Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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I loved it when Rodney was on the Tonight Show...
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if you had the wrong Subject or the wrong YouTube link.
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Was a Don Rickles fan. I've dvr'd most of his appearances on Carson from the antenna tv replays.

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More Dangerfield rapid fire on Carson.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEQFHQHHhU
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Don in CT
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
Scott Greczkowski
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
12 minutes after the patch was release I had it patched. :)
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
Yeah... that was me...

I did another security update and it required me to reboot the server.

I also did a patch for something else and accidently put two ;'s in the config file so when the server rebooted it wouldn't restart a service because of the extra ; in the config file.

And of course as I did it my step dad called me slowing me down in figuring it out.

That was a Scott mistake. Sorry about that.
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OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

Aww- nevermind.

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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
comfortably_numb
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
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Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
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when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
I'd probably say when they came up with their M-series of processors with integrated memory. That allowed Apple to get away from the inefficient Intel CPUs that were limiting their notebook computers.
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 28 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 28 2026 vs Oct 21 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 15 TID 12 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 13

2 Previously unused Transponders with current APG records::
Net 0 TID 28 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 29
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
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1449​
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SD mpeg4​
144​
-1​
194​
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SD mpeg2​
434​
1​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
A few remaps
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:
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ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530
coolman302003
Monday 11/2 is a full slate for NBA League Pass as all 30 teams are playing and 14 out of 15 total games are on NBALP. Only one national TV game on Peacock/NBCSN (Thunder @ Cavs).

DirecTV is even having to use several MLB EI channels (from 745-748) and a NHL CI (770) channel to fit all of them in the guide close together. 5 games at 7:30 ET, 3 games at 8 ET, 2 games at 8:30 ET, 1 game at 9 ET, 3 games at 10 ET. Luckily NHL CI is light on Monday (3 games on CI).

DirecTV is providing both broadcast feeds for all League Pass games except Hornets, Magic, Bucks & Raptors that night. These are all teams that have local broadcasts via a OTA channel which is on spotbeams and have streaming deals (DTC) that are not exclusive DAZN teams which DirecTV just signed a deal with (à la Spurs, Grizzlies, Cavs, Pacers & T'Wolves). Its also very common that we don't get Raptors broadcast very often from TSN or Sportsnet Ontario on League Pass.

11/2/26 (MON) EASTERN7:00 PM7:30 PM8:00 PM8:30 PM9:00 PM10:00 PM
Peacock/NBCSNThunder @ Cavaliers
NBA League PassNonePistons (745) @ HornetsKings (755) @ Mavericks (756)Celtics (760) @ Rockets (761)Trail Blazers (764) @ Nuggets (765)Suns (769) @ Warriors (770)
Hawks (746) @ Pacers (747)Pelicans (757) @ Grizzlies (758)Jazz (762) @ Spurs (763)Raptors @ Clippers (766)
Nets (748) @ Knicks (751)Bucks @ T'Wolves (759)Heat (767) @ Lakers (768)
Wizards (752) @ Magic
Bulls (753) @ 76ers (754)
*No Hornets, Magic local broadcasts*No Bucks local broadcast*No Raptors local broadcast
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Only the Knicks, Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Warriors, Avalanche, Sharks and Bruins feeds will be using remaps of 24/7 RSNs that night. The rest will be relying on the part time feeds, including the Nuggets, Blackhawks and Kings who will be on their alt/overflow channels, and MSG Western NY will be live on channel 635-1 to carry Buffalo area ads during the Knicks game.

The NHL Network alternate will be live on channel 215-1 with Red Wings @ Panthers for those blacked out of Golden Knights @ Bruins on the main feed.

The Thunder @ Cavaliers game will be on one of Peacock Game Pass channels that night for commercial customers, they'll also have the back to back U-Conn Women's and Men's Basketball. One of the part time feeds will also be in use for WWE Raw via Joe Hand promotions.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
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Take It Easy - The Eagles
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Take It as It Comes - Steve Winwood
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Take The Money and Run - Steve Miller Band
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Run Joe -- Louis Jordan and his Tympany Five
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meStevo
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Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

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KAB
Not in a hurry to watch it this time.
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Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
meStevo
One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

Jon Stewart Popcorn GIF
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Renewed for season 5.
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!