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Let me be perfectly clear about something. Jim Tressel is a good human being. And he provided the kids he coached guidance and much needed mentoring. The lives he's touched should not be marred by the recent scandal.

Below are a few excerpts from a well written column about the real Jim Tressel....

This is a fact: Tressel ran a program that preached virtue, public service and self-reliance. Most of his players bought into it. Some of his players abused the hell out of it; players that he took a chance on against what should have been his better judgment.

.....This is the guy who just fell on his sword and removed himself from college football.

He put his players in position to make decisions and was willfully ignorant to the likely prospects that some of them would choose poorly.

Ohio State's next head coach will not graduate more players at the same rate that Tressel did. He won't send more two or three-star recruits to the NFL like Tressel did. He won't positively alter the lives of more men than Tressel did. He will not raise more money for more good causes than Tressel did. He won't win more games than Tressel did.

Outside of the tattoo parlors and the car dealerships, there was a lot more going on behind Tressel's back that hadn't been happening enough prior to his arrival. And none of it will make the pages over SI or the documents of any NCAA investigation.

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The thing that I think Tressel's fans forget is that he has influenced/taught all these college students that it's okay to look the other way and lie. His position as a mentor to all those young men was to instill in them good values and football--in that order. He was the person to whom they looked for guidance and inspiration. He failed them all throughout his career. I think that's a horrendous legacy and not worthy of support. Don't you want better for your children?
Jimbo
The thing that I think Tressel's fans forget is that he has influenced/taught all these college students that it's okay to look the other way and lie. His position as a mentor to all those young men was to instill in them good values and football--in that order. He was the person to whom they looked for guidance and inspiration. He failed them all throughout his career. I think that's a horrendous legacy and not worthy of support. Don't you want better for your children?

So, you think he did this 100 % of the time with ALL the students he had anything to do with .... amazing, you REALLY don't know ANYTHING about the man, do you.

And imagine, this was suppose to be the thread that we could look at the positive that the man has done , untill the detractors came along, thanks guys.
Why not just merge the two threads, they are now one in the same anyways.
salsadancer7
Hall said:
Yes, you are right, but sadly, that's not the society we live in. Political opponents or the media will point out that a 55-year old man/woman running for some office smoked a joint in college.... and that somehow disqualifies them ?

Hall... He didn't smoke pot 20. He got lying to the NCAA...RECENTLY. This was 5, 10 or 20 year ago.

If my fav college football team got bust like this, you Ohio State fans would be all over it like flies on sh%@! The problem is, you guys are in some serious denial. I would not that Tressell is a good man and a good coach. But he blantantly lied in a major investigation...that makes dirty.
Jimbo
If my fav college football team got bust like this, you Ohio State fans would be all over it like flies on sh%@!

I wouldn't.
Most of the REAL Ohio State fans wouldn't.

That said, the SEC would just brush it under the rug like they did with Auburn.
mccoyrj
...the SEC would just brush it under the rug like they did with Auburn.
Auburn just brushed it under the rug, much like Tressell and tOSU tried to do. And both the SEC and the Big10 just kept quiet. The NCAA is still investigating Auburn from what I hear, and there are plenty fans from other teams in the SEC who want them to...myself included. If a team is blatantly violating the rules and ignoring it, I think they should get what's coming to them...LSU included.
Jimbo
Auburn just brushed it under the rug, much like Tressell and tOSU tried to do. And both the SEC and the Big10 just kept quiet. The NCAA is still investigating Auburn from what I hear, and there are plenty fans from other teams in the SEC who want them to...myself included. If a team is blatantly cheating, I think they should get what's coming to them...LSU included.

The NCAA is investigating Auburn ?
What on every third Tuesday ?

I haven't heard a peep out of the NCAA about Auburn, barely heard a peep out of them when it all went down.

The NCAA WANTED Auburn to cover it up so they could have thier #1 team available for the bowl game.
Much like the Bowl wanted the Buckeyes to play.
mccoyrj
...I haven't heard a peep out of the NCAA about Auburn, barely heard a peep out of them when it all went down.
They haven't contacted you about it? :D

The NCAA WANTED Auburn to cover it up so they could have thier #1 team available for the bowl game.
Much like the Bowl wanted the Buckeyes to play.
The NCAA operates like a huge bureaucracy, much like the government. They seem to only start looking into violations after everyone else has and they feel pressure from the media. It took them forever to deal with USC and Reggie Bush. They'll get around to Auburn. They also seem to be taking their time with tOSU too. That's how they operate. It's no big conspiracy against your team or any one else's. That's what I believe anyway.
Derwin0
I wouldn't.
Most of the REAL Ohio State fans wouldn't.

That said, the SEC would just brush it under the rug like they did with Auburn.
So because Auburn seems to get away with something, then Ohio St. should to? Sorry, but ask Alabama & Auburn fans if the SEC gets away with things, both have had lengthy penalties before.

Sorry, but they should get the same or more as USC did. And since Tressel lied during the investigation, and knew about the rule breaking & did nothing, he should get a show cause same as Todd McNair did as USC for pretty much the same thing.

To say Ohio St & Tressel should get a pass, is a slap in the face to all the teams & coaches that do the right thing.
S
And imagine, this was suppose to be the thread that we could look at the positive that the man has done , untill the detractors came along, thanks guys.

It all comes down to two things.

As to JT, he, by his own choice, is in that same boat as people like Barry Bonds, Richard Nixon, and such. How many HRs would Bonds have hit, honestly? Where would he rank in the historical fram of baseball, honestly? Would he have been almost what he was by cheating, or would he have been a guy who hit a lot of flyballs to waiting outfields? I don't know. You don't know. Barry Bonds doesn't know. Because he decided to cheat. All discussion of what he was and is begins and ends with cheating, by his own choice. Similarly, in much more important things, in some alternative history world where Watergate is just some dump of a development in DC, what is Richard Nixon's entry in a history book? Is he remembered as the man who openned China, settled Vietnam with honor, toned down the Cold War, finally eradicated that last segregationists from power in the South? Or is he remembered as a mediocre to bad president who tried to play both sides against the middle and destroyed the two party system? Don't know, because, here in the real world, all discussion of Mr. Nixon begins, and ends, with Watergate. With the fact that he was a dishonest person and lost everything because he was a dishonest person. Now, in football terms, is JT REALLY a Big 10 level coach? Is he really fit to be in the same room as people like Joe Paterno? Or is he some I-AA or Div II guy slugging it out with Appy State and NE Oklahoma? Or is he some coach at some middle school somewhere? I don't know. You don't know. He doesn't know. Because, from the day he started at YSU to the day he resigned in disgrace, JT never followed the rules that every one else was following. He acheived things by cheating. Every game he ever had anythng to do with, he was not following the rules. He was paying his players, and others were using amateurs. Really that simple. So no discussion of JT is possible, because no one, including JT, will ever know what JT really would have been, had he decided to be an honest man, rather than the liar, cheat, and hypocrite he is.

The other thing is yelling "NOT" really loudly is not a comeback. You are seriously in denial. OK. You apparently have a lot of your own self-worth tied up in a college football team. You have, for over a decade, watched that school do things you liked. Now you know, deep down, you know, none of it was real. They were cheating. They really did not honestly win those games. Your yelling "NOT" does not change that. Nothing can change that. Someday, most OSU fans will be ashamed of JT and this era of cheating football, and will move on. And, someday, OSU may actually win games on an even playing field with everybody else.
Ramy
Ok, this thread has become nothing but bickering back and forth.
ewindowman
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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comfortably_numb

Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
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Too bad their service is expensive and their coverage sucks compared to the other two of the Big 3
Was that a back door compliment for Verizon?
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dishstaller
Meanwhile att is getting rid of overseas call centers

Too little too late.

I can actually shed some light on the corp attitude towards call centers.

2015-2017 I was on the Viasat Dealer Council. They would fly us out to CO or CA and wine and dine us. Pretty cool but I was there to give my input because I was a top retailer and I wanted things to improve.
Anyway, at one of the meetings I brought up the fact that customers constantly complained about the overseas call centers. The VP of the company told me that I just didn't understand....those people cost something like 25% of what US employees would cost. Well, as usual when I went out to these meetings, I was loaded for bear....ie facts. I gave them an example of a customer who spent over an hour with one of these call centers and still never got her issue resolved. She called me the next morning after we opened and I had her situation fixed in 2 minutes. I told him "So you guys paid this overseas call center X amount but the customer still wasn't taken care of. I on the other hand, and a US call center probably would have as well because there wouldn't have been the language barrier, had her taken care of in 2 min. so your savings just went right out the door because a US call center would have taken care of her and MANY other customers while your overseas call center did nothing more than PISS off a customer.
Blank stares was all I got.

And THAT was when I realized just how incompetent most of the people are who run these companies. It WAS an enlightening experience.
Almighty1
Even 23 years ago, Verizon was known for having quality customer service. T-Mobile had quality customer service too but just poor mobile service. AT&T when it was still known as AT&T Wireless, Cingular Wireless both had poor customer service. This was when all three were providing customer service from the U.S. so even in the U.S., some companies are still better than others as it still depends on who they hire. That's the same reason AT&T Broadband Inc. which was basically their Cable TV never gotten far and got sold to Comcast.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Soul Man - The Blues Brothers
long_time_Dish
Heart Full Of Soul - Rush
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Expressway to Your Heart -- The Soul Survivors
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Find A Way To My Heart - Phil Collins
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FIND Your Way Back-Jefferson Starship
Ramy
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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cp2k
I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Jimbo
I like the move to campus sites for the early games. That adds a fun new dimension for fans, and cuts down on some of the travel expenses that would come with having to follow a team all the way through the playoffs at neutral sites.
Agree ... they started doing that a few years ago.
Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Jimbo
In my area Cox (now Spectrum) has run everything underground instead of on poles.
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
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Bobby
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
Jimbo
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
B
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
R
Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden. :(
My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.
Jimbo
My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inches
Really, you Lucky Dog !

Do you Work for that ISP ? :biggrin
Bobby
I bet MOST of them are NOT 18", they may suppose to be, but I doubt they are .

Edison is definitely deep enough, but thats the only one ...
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.
So, if theres a issue with any buried line, the sidewalk needs to be dug up as well ???
That sucks.
Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Jimbo
I did the underground trench utility designs for 9 years. Gas and electric were 24". Telephone and CATV were 18". These were for new construction. Add on construction could be anywhere. All of the utilities went from their terminal points to a common utility point on the house. They were in a single trench.

Sometimes…. electric and CATV are in conduit so replacement is pretty easy. Telephone, specifically Pacific Telephone, Pacific Bell, SBC, ATT are direct buried and use encap termination directly onto the feed cable. That is always a sidewalk digup.
Ok, your talking in the right of way ...
I thought you were talking about from the ped to the houses.

Fortunately you don't usually get Cable cuts Under a sidewalk, usually its when a Construction crew us digging with major equipment.

The drops to the house are not going to be very deep, sometimes barely under the sod. 6" is a godsend.
osu1991
I'm fortunate to have 3 fiber providers now.

Cox and T mobile bored and put conduit in before pulling the fiber thru the easement in my neighborhood . Windstream Kinetic I can't remember if they pulled conduit first or not. I remember they didn't have a boring machine when they came thru my yard, they used that for the mainline crossing under the street but had a vibratory plow in my backyard. I remember seeing some blue conduit just don't remember where it was being used. Windstream barely put the fiber run from the pedestal to my house about 2 inches underground. Landscaper hit it while putting landscaping around the pedestal they added to my yard. I made sure they buried it at least 12 inches when they replaced it.

AEP/ PSO the electric company has their main distribution lines running on poles along the back of my property. Cox has their main distribution line hung on those poles before going underground through the neighborhood.

I'm in the middle of a damage claim and about to take them to court as insurance is trying to get out of it claiming the lines were too low. Had an oversized load get lost and try to turn around in an older neighborhood. Pulled down 5 blocks of fiber with separate fiber lines belonging to the city, Cox/Spectrum and ATT.
Bobby
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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long_time_Dish
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
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Jim5506
No NASCAR in 4K on Sunday? Bummer...
It's on Prime.
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long_time_Dish
It's on Prime.
Ah, ok, thanks!
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Foxbat
The World Series Game 1 quality was excellent, the Dolby Surround put us in the seats. Thanks, Dish!
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S
Not seeing many 4k games on the 148 channels lately?

Also I do not see the 4KFox channel on 148-01; I also do not subscribed to our Local Houston channels.

Maybe I need to subscribe to locals or add the National Action Pack? Not sure the extra cost is worth it??

thx for any info or suggestions

S
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Bruce
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Bruce
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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Jimbo
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Bruce
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
AZ.
AZ.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
Bruce
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Bobby
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
AZ.
AZ.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
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TRG
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Bruce
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Jimbo
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Jimbo
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Bruce
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Two MLB teams.
Jimbo
Two MLB teams.
Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
TRG
TRG
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
I thought you might like that. :biggrin
KAB
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Wireless Joey 4. Yesterday, I noticed a little green dot on a small black field in the upper right hand corner of the screen, regardless of channel, recordings, etc. A restart got rid of it, but I am curious as to what It meant and what I did to get it there.
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Redneck_Randy
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The little green dot inside a small black field in the upper right-hand corner of your screen is an Android privacy indicator confirming that the voice remote's microphone is actively listening. Because the Joey 4 runs on an Android
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That's no good
Almighty1
The green dot on Android TV is supposed to show as long as an app or background service is actively using the microphone or camera. [1, 2]

What Normal Behavior Looks Like
    • When active: It appears (often with a small microphone or camera icon that fades into a simple green dot) the moment a voice search, assistant command, or streaming app requests audio input.
    • When it disappears: It should vanish a few seconds after you finish your command or after the app stops using the microphone. [1]

Why It Might Stay On (Persistent Dot)
If the green dot stays on indefinitely or won't go away, it usually means:
    • An app (such as a voice search tool, media player, or background utility) has a hung process or is keeping the microphone channel open.
    • A remote control or voice-recognition service is stuck. [1]

How to Fix or Check It
    • Restart your TV: Unplug the power cable for about 30 seconds and plug it back in to clear out stuck background apps.
    • Check app permissions: Go to your TV's Settings > Privacy or Device Preferences > Microphone to see which apps have access, and revoke permission for any suspicious or unnecessary apps. [1, 2]
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Scott Greczkowski
Its a bug. I had it happen to mine. The mic is not listening, and if your worried about that remove the batteries from your remote as thats where the mic is. :)
S
Reboot the joey it should go away after
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