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Cablevision Systems Corporation Reports Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2004 Results 2005 Outlook Provided
Wednesday February 23, 8:23 am ET


BETHPAGE, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 23, 2005--Cablevision Systems Corporation (NYSE:CVC - News)
4Q Cable Television Revenue up 14%; Adjusted Operating Cash Flow up 20%
Third Consecutive Quarter of Basic Subscriber Gains
2004 Cable Television Revenue up 16%; Adjusted Operating Cash Flow up 18%
2004 Record Revenue Generating Unit Growth of 1.1 Million New Additions
2004 Consolidated Revenue up 18%; Adjusted Operating Cash Flow up 15%
Cablevision Systems Corporation (NYSE:CVC - News) today reported financial results for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31, 2004.

Consolidated Results

Consolidated fourth quarter net revenues increased 11% to $1.4 billion compared to the prior year period, based on continued strong customer growth in Telecommunications Services as well as advertising and affiliate revenue growth at Rainbow Media's Core Networks. Consolidated fourth quarter operating loss totaled $279.1 million compared to an operating loss of $46.0 million in the prior year period. The higher operating loss results from higher DBS operating losses, as well as $354.9 million in non-cash impairment charges at Rainbow DBS to reduce the carrying value of certain assets. Consolidated adjusted operating cash flow for the quarter increased 5% to $261.4 million compared to adjusted operating cash flow of $250.1 million in the prior year period. The AOCF growth is driven by higher revenue, offset in part by higher DBS operating losses and $108.9 million of non-cash impairment charges at Rainbow DBS (see page 4 for a discussion of the impairment charges). Adjusted operating cash flow ("AOCF"), a non-GAAP financial measure, is defined as operating income (loss) before depreciation and amortization, excluding employee stock plan charges or credits and restructuring charges or credits. Please refer to page 4 for a discussion of our use of AOCF as a non-GAAP financial measure and page 6 for a reconciliation of AOCF to operating income and net loss.

For the full year 2004, consolidated net revenue increased 18% to $4.9 billion, driven by the addition of 1.1 million revenue generating units during the year in Cable Television and revenue growth at Rainbow Media's Core Networks. Operating loss for 2004 totaled $59.4 million compared to operating income of $31.7 million in 2003, reflecting the Rainbow DBS impairment charges discussed above as well as higher Rainbow DBS operating losses. Full year AOCF rose 15% to $1.3 billion, reflecting the revenue growth, offset in part by higher Rainbow DBS operating losses and the $108.9 million Rainbow DBS impairment charge discussed above. Full year AOCF also includes $106.1 million of one-time payments and credits at Madison Square Garden recorded in the second quarter.

Cablevision President and CEO James L. Dolan commented: "2004 was a remarkable year for Cablevision, highlighted by the extraordinary success we have had in executing our digital strategy. Cablevision is now at the forefront of our industry with leading penetration rates across all of our consumer services - video, digital video, high-speed data and voice. We have also continued to make significant progress in realizing key financial and operational goals, which has resulted in the company meeting or exceeding all of its key guidance objectives for 2004. Moving forward, Cablevision is well positioned to continue reaping the benefits of our operating successes and improved financial position."

Telecommunications Services - Cable Television and Lightpath

For Telecommunications Services, which includes Cable Television and Lightpath Business Services, fourth quarter 2004 net revenues rose 14% to $820.5 million; operating income increased 74% to $113.6 million; and AOCF increased 19% to $325.0 million, all as compared to the year-earlier period. Full year 2004 Telecommunications Services net revenues rose 15% to $3.1 billion compared to 2003. Operating income for the full year increased 76% to $423.1 million and AOCF increased 17% to $1.2 billion, both as compared to the prior year.

Cable Television

Cable Television, comprised of analog and digital video, high-speed data (HSD), voice and R&D/Technology, recorded fourth quarter net revenues of $773.5 million, up 14% compared to the prior year period. Operating income increased 70% to $115.0 million and AOCF rose 20% to $304.0 million, each compared to the year-earlier period. The increases in revenue, operating income, and AOCF reflect the addition of 333,273 revenue generating units for the quarter, reflecting growth in basic and digital video, high-speed data, and voice customer relationships.

Highlights include:

Revenue Generating Units up 333,273 or 6% for the quarter and 1,133,622 or 23% for the year
Basic video customers up 10,788 or 0.4% for the quarter and 18,307 or 0.6% for the year; third consecutive quarterly increase in basic subscribers
iO: Interactive Optimum digital video customers up 145,933 or 11% for the quarter and 577,530 or 64% for the year
Optimum Online HSD customers up 93,517 or 7% for the quarter and 295,519 or 28% for the year
Optimum Voice customers up 83,497 or 44% for the quarter and 244,038 for the year
Cable television RPS of $87.17, up $3.28 for the quarter and $10.48 for the year
Advertising revenue up 25% for the quarter and 10% for the year
Full year AOCF margin of 39.2% compared to 38.2% for 2003
Lightpath - Business Services

For the fourth quarter, Lightpath reported $54.5 million in net revenues, a 20% increase compared to the prior year period. Operating loss decreased to $1.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2004 compared to an operating loss of $2.3 million in the prior year period. AOCF was $21.0 million, up 6% from the fourth quarter of 2003. The revenue and AOCF increases are primarily attributable to growth in data revenue from both Optimum Online for business and Lightpath.net and other data transport services over Lightpath's fiber infrastructure. Net revenue for Lightpath includes the impact of Optimum Voice call completion activity, which has no impact on AOCF.

Rainbow Media's Core Networks

Rainbow Media's Core Networks' (AMC, The Independent Film Channel ("IFC"), WE: Women's Entertainment and Consolidated Regional Sports) fourth quarter net revenues increased 28% to $214.0 million, operating income increased from $20.6 million to $74.1 million and AOCF increased 106% to $95.9 million, each compared to the year-earlier period. On a pro forma basis, which reflects the consolidation of Fox Sports Net Chicago and Fox Sports Net Bay Area in 2003, net revenues and AOCF for the quarter would have increased 6% and 90%, respectively.

For the full year 2004, net revenues rose 49% to $909.7 million compared to full year 2003. Operating income for the full year increased 78% to $271.3 million, while AOCF increased 62% to $366.7 million, both compared to the prior year. Pro forma for the consolidation of Fox Sports Chicago and Bay Area, net revenues and AOCF would have increased 15% and 43%, respectively.

AMC/IFC/WE

Fourth quarter 2004 net revenues increased 13% to $137.0 million due to a 32% increase in advertising revenue as well as higher affiliate revenue driven by increases in viewing subscribers. Operating income increased from $12.4 million to $38.8 million and AOCF increased 63% to $55.5 million, each compared to the prior year period. The fourth quarter of 2003 included a $17.9 million write-down of certain film and programming contracts which, if excluded, would result in operating income growth of 28% and AOCF growth of 7% for the fourth quarter of 2004. The operating income and AOCF growth reflects these revenue increases, offset in part by higher marketing and programming costs during the period.

Consolidated Regional Sports

Consolidated Regional Sports is comprised of Fox Sports Net Florida, Fox Sports Net Ohio, Fox Sports Net Chicago and Fox Sports Net Bay Area (Chicago and Bay Area were consolidated effective December 12, 2003 and are 60% owned by Rainbow). Fourth quarter 2004 net revenues rose 67% to $77.0 million, operating income increased from $8.2 million to $35.2 million and AOCF increased from $12.4 million to $40.4 million, all as compared to the prior year period.

Pro forma to reflect the consolidation of Fox Sports Net Chicago and Fox Sports Net Bay Area in 2003, net revenue decreased 6%, due primarily to lower advertising revenue. Operating income increased 188% and AOCF increased 145% on a pro forma basis, driven by lower rights expense and production costs.

Developing Programming/Other

Developing Programming/Other consists of Mag Rack, fuse, Rainbow Network Communications, News 12 Networks, MetroChannels, Rainbow Advertising Sales Corp., IFC Entertainment and other Rainbow developmental ventures. Fourth quarter net revenues increased 2% to $53.2 million and the operating loss for the quarter declined to $20.2 million compared to an operating loss of $35.9 million in the year earlier period. The AOCF deficit for the quarter totaled $9.0 million compared to an AOCF deficit of $24.6 million for the prior year period. The lower AOCF deficit is primarily attributable to higher affiliate and advertising revenue at fuse and lower expense levels at several of the programming services.

Madison Square Garden

Madison Square Garden's businesses include: MSG Networks, Fox Sports Net New York, the New York Knicks, the New York Rangers, the New York Liberty, the MSG Arena complex and Radio City Music Hall. Madison Square Garden's fourth quarter net revenue was $298.2 million, a decrease of 8% from the year earlier period, primarily due to the loss of NHL hockey games during the period, partially offset by higher revenues at MSG Networks and higher Knicks ticket revenues. For the fourth quarter, operating income totaled $41.3 million compared to $11.4 million in the year earlier period and AOCF was $54.8 million compared to $28.1 million in the year earlier period. The higher operating income and AOCF is due to several factors, including the MSG Networks and Knicks revenue impacts, lower Knicks player compensation, the elimination of certain severance costs incurred in 2003 and lower expenses at Radio City resulting from changes in the mix of shows.

Rainbow DBS - VOOM

On January 20, 2005, Cablevision Systems Corporation and CSC Holdings Inc. (collectively, the "Company") entered into a definitive agreement for Rainbow DBS Company LLC to sell its Rainbow 1 direct broadcast satellite and certain other related assets to a subsidiary of EchoStar Communications Corp. for $200 million in cash. On February 10, 2005, the Company announced that it had signed a letter of intent under which VOOM HD, LLC, a new private company formed by certain holders of Cablevision Class B Common Stock, including Charles F. Dolan and Tom Dolan, will acquire from the Company the business, assets and liabilities of the Company's Rainbow DBS satellite business not included in the above mentioned agreement with EchoStar. The parties' obligations under the letter of intent are subject to the execution of a definitive agreement by February 28, 2005, and the transaction is contingent on the Board's approval of the definitive agreement. There can be no assurance that a definitive agreement will be entered into or that the transaction will be consummated.

Fourth quarter 2004 revenue, operating loss, and AOCF deficit for Rainbow DBS were $5.3 million, $449.8 million, and $190.0 million, respectively. Full year 2004 revenue, operating loss, and AOCF deficit for Rainbow DBS were $14.9 million, $661.4 million and $367.1 million, respectively. The fourth quarter and full year operating loss reflect an impairment charge of $246.0 million, reflecting management's estimates of the excess of the carrying value over the fair value of long lived assets, which has been recorded in depreciation and amortization. In addition, fourth quarter and full year operating loss and AOCF include $108.9 million of technical and operating expense that reflects the write-down to net realizable value of certain assets consisting primarily of equipment inventory and licensed film rights.

Theatres

For the fourth quarter, Clearview Cinemas' net revenue totaled $21.1 million, a 7% decrease compared to $22.7 million in the prior year period. The operating loss for the fourth quarter was $1.8 million compared to an operating loss of $0.7 million in the prior year period, and AOCF was $1.1 million compared to $1.5 million in the prior year period. For the full year 2004, Clearview Cinemas' net revenue totaled $80.5 million, a 5% decrease compared to $84.4 million in the prior year. The full year 2004 operating loss was $6.5 million compared to an operating loss of $2.0 million in the prior year, and AOCF was $2.6 million compared to $5.9 million in the 2003 period.

2005 Outlook

The company provides the following guidance for the full year 2005:

Cable Television
----------------
Basic video subscribers + 1.5% to 2.0%
Revenue generating unit (RGU) net additions + 1.0 to 1.25 million
Total revenue growth mid teens*
Adjusted operating cash flow growth mid teens*
Capital expenditures $600 to $650 million

Rainbow Media
-------------
AMC/IFC/WE
Total revenue growth mid to high single digit *
Adjusted operating cash flow growth mid to high single digit *

* Percentage growth

Non-GAAP Financial Measures

We define adjusted operating cash flow ("AOCF"), which is a non-GAAP financial measure, as operating income (loss) before depreciation and amortization, excluding charges or credits related to our employee stock plan, including those related to the vesting of restricted shares, variable stock options and stock appreciation rights, and restructuring charges or credits. We believe that the exclusion of such amounts allows investors to better track the performance of the various operating units of our business without regard to the distortive effects of a fluctuating stock price (in the case of variable stock options and stock appreciation rights expense) or, in the case of restricted shares, the settlement of an obligation that will not be made in cash.

We present AOCF as a measure of our ability to service our debt and make continuing investments, including in our capital infrastructure. The company believes adjusted operating cash flow is an appropriate measure for evaluating the operating performance of its business segments and the company on a consolidated basis. Adjusted operating cash flow and similar measures with other titles are common performance measures used by investors, analysts and peers to compare performance in our industry. Internally, we use revenue and adjusted operating cash flow measures as the most important indicators of our business performance, and evaluate management's effectiveness with specific reference to these indicators. Adjusted operating cash flow should be viewed as a supplement to and not a substitute for operating income (loss), net income (loss), cash flows from operating activities, and other measures of performance presented in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles ("GAAP"). Since adjusted operating cash flow is not a measure of performance calculated in accordance with GAAP, this measure may not be comparable to similar measures with other titles used by other companies. For a reconciliation of adjusted operating cash flow to operating income (loss), please see page 6 of this release.

COMPANY DESCRIPTION

Cablevision Systems Corporation is one of the nation's leading entertainment and telecommunications companies. Its cable television operations serve more than 3 million households in the New York metropolitan area. The company's advanced telecommunications offerings include its iO: Interactive Optimum digital television offering, Optimum Online high-speed Internet service, Optimum Voice digital voice-over-cable service, and its Lightpath integrated business communications services. Cablevision's Rainbow Media Holdings LLC operates several successful programming businesses, including AMC, IFC, WE and other national and regional networks. In addition to its telecommunications and programming businesses, Cablevision is the controlling owner of Madison Square Garden and its sports teams, the New York Knicks, Rangers and Liberty. The company also operates New York's famed Radio City Music Hall, and owns and operates Clearview Cinemas. Additional information about Cablevision Systems Corporation is available on the Web at www.cablevision.com.

This earnings release contains statements that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties, and that actual results or developments may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors, including financial community and rating agency perceptions of the company and its business, operations, financial condition and the industry in which it operates and the factors described in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the sections entitled "Risk Factors" and "Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations" contained therein. The company disclaims any obligation to update the forward-looking statements contained herein.

Cablevision's Web site: www.cablevision.com

The 4Q 2004 earnings announcement will be Webcast live today at 10:00 a.m. EST

Conference call dial-in number is (973) 935-8507

Conference call replay number (973) 341-3080/ pin #5722951 until March 2, 2005

CABLEVISION SYSTEMS CORPORATION
CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED OPERATIONS DATA AND RECONCILIATION
(Dollars in thousands, except per share data)
(Unaudited)

Three Months Ended Twelve Months Ended
December 31, December 31,
------------------------ ------------------------
2004 2003 2004 2003
----------- ----------- ----------- -----------

Revenues, net $1,364,434 $1,227,284 $4,932,864 $4,177,148
=========== =========== =========== ===========

Adjusted operating
cash flow (a) $261,410 $250,061 $1,317,406 $1,145,879
Stock plan expense (18,244) (21,186) (35,143) (42,806)
Restructuring
credits (charges) 2,035 698 (151) (10,725)
----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Operating income
before depreciation
and amortization 245,201 229,573 1,282,112 1,092,348
Depreciation and
amortization (a) 524,257 275,603 1,341,549 1,060,651
----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Operating income
(loss)(a) (279,056) (46,030) (59,437) 31,697

Other income
(expense):
Interest expense,
net (182,394) (181,826) (710,781) (603,136)
Equity in net
income (loss) of
affiliates (5,642) (8,048) (12,991) 429,732
Gain (loss) on sale
of cable assets
and programming
and affiliate
interests, net 2,232 - 2,232 (13,644)
Write-off of
deferred
financing costs - (388) (18,961) (388)
Gain on
investments, net 144,504 24,999 134,598 235,857
Loss on derivative
contracts, net (131,256) (42,541) (165,305) (208,323)
Loss on
extinguishment of
debt (6,076) - (78,571) -
Minority interests (26,942) (9,834) (91,776) (138,168)
Miscellaneous, net 383 5,931 294 3,624
----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Loss from
continuing
operations before
income taxes (484,247) (257,737) (1,000,698) (262,749)
Income tax
(expense) benefit 174,260 61,166 333,696 (20,367)
----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Loss from continuing
operations (309,987) (196,571) (667,002) (283,116)
Income (loss) from
discontinued
operations, net of
taxes 4,161 (731) (1,654) (14,123)
----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Loss before
extraordinary item (305,826) (197,302) (668,656) (297,239)
Extraordinary loss
on investment, net
of taxes - - (7,436) -
----------- ----------- ----------- -----------
Net loss $(305,826) $(197,302) $(676,092) $(297,239)
=========== =========== =========== ===========

Basic and diluted
net loss per share:

Loss from
continuing
operations $(1.08) $(0.69) $(2.32) $(0.99)
=========== =========== =========== ===========

Income (loss) from
discontinued
operations $0.01 $- $(0.01) $(0.05)
=========== =========== =========== ===========

Extraordinary loss $- $- $(0.03) $-
=========== =========== =========== ===========

Net loss $(1.06) $(0.69) $(2.36) $(1.04)
=========== =========== =========== ===========

Basic weighted
average common
shares (in
thousands) 287,319 286,766 287,085 285,486
=========== =========== =========== ===========


(a) The fourth quarter and full year 2004 operating loss reflect an
impairment charge of approximately $246.0 million, reflecting
management's estimates of the excess of the carrying value over
the fair value of long lived assets, which has been recorded in
depreciation and amortization. In addition, fourth quarter and
full year operating loss and AOCF include approximately $108.9
million of technical and operating expense that reflects the
write-down to net realizable value of certain assets consisting
primarily of equipment inventory and licensed film rights. These
charges relate to the Board of Directors decision to suspend
pursuit of the spin off of the Company's Rainbow Media Enterprises
subsidiary, as disclosed in the Company's 8-K filing dated
December 20, 2004. On January 20, 2005, the Company announced it
had entered into a definitive agreement for the sale of certain
assets of Rainbow DBS Company LLC to EchoStar Communications
Corp., and on February 10, 2005, the Company announced it had
executed a letter of intent with VOOM HD, LLC for the sale of the
business and certain assets and liabilities of Rainbow DBS Company
LLC. (Please refer to the Company's 8-K filings dated January 20,
2005 and February 10, 2005 for a discussion of these agreements).
The Company has not yet executed a definitive agreement with VOOM
HD LLC. The terms of any definitive agreement may result in
changes to the impairment charges set forth above which would be
reflected in our audited financial statements as of and for the
year ended December 31, 2004, to be filed in our 2004 Form 10-K.


CABLEVISION SYSTEMS CORPORATION
CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED OPERATIONS DATA AND RECONCILIATION (Cont'd)
(Dollars in thousands, except per share data)
(Unaudited)


ADJUSTMENTS TO RECONCILE OPERATING INCOME (LOSS) TO ADJUSTED OPERATING
CASH FLOW

The following is a description of the adjustments to operating income
(loss) included in this earnings release:

-- Depreciation and amortization. This adjustment eliminates
depreciation, amortization and impairments of long-lived assets in
all periods.

-- Stock plan income (expense). This adjustment eliminates the
income or expense associated with vesting and marking to market of
variable stock options, stock appreciation rights granted under
our employee stock option plan, and charges related to the
issuance of restricted shares.

-- Restructuring charges (credits). This adjustment eliminates the
charges or credits recorded that are associated with costs related
to the elimination of positions, facility realignment, and other
related costs in all periods.


CABLEVISION SYSTEMS CORPORATION
CAPITALIZATION AND LEVERAGE
(Dollars in thousands)
(Unaudited)


CAPITALIZATION


Actual
December 31,
2004
------------

Cash and Cash Equivalents $866,816
============

Bank debt $2,489,887
Collateralized indebtedness 1,553,427
Senior notes and debentures 5,991,564
Senior subordinated notes and debentures 746,231
Notes payable 150,000
Capital lease obligations 71,563
------------
Debt $11,002,672
============

LEVERAGE

Debt $11,002,672
Less: collateralized indebtedness (1) and cash 2,420,243
------------
Net debt $8,582,429
============

Ratio
------------
Consolidated net debt/adjusted operating cash flow (2) 6.0x
Restricted Group leverage (Bank Test) 5.1x
CSC Holdings notes and debentures ratio (3) 5.1x
Cablevision notes ratio (4) 6.3x
Rainbow National Services notes ratio (5) 5.8x


(1) Collateralized indebtedness is excluded for the purpose of the
leverage calculation because it is viewed as a forward sale of the
stock of unaffiliated companies and the company's only obligation
at maturity is to deliver the stock or its cash equivalent.

(2) Adjusted operating cash flow is annualized based on the quarterly
results, except with respect to Madison Square Garden, which is
based on a trailing 12 months due to its seasonal nature. AOCF for
consolidated leverage purposes excludes the $108.9 million
non-cash write-down recorded at Rainbow DBS.

(3) Reflects debt to cash flow ratio applicable under indentures
pursuant to which the CSC Holdings notes and debentures were
issued. The annualized AOCF (as defined) used in the Restricted
Group bank leverage test and for the CSC Holdings indentures test
was $1,253,324.

(4) Reflects debt to cash flow ratio under the Cablevision senior
notes indentures.

(5) Reflects debt to cash flow ratio under the Rainbow National
Services notes issued in August 2004. The annualized AOCF (as
defined) used in the notes ratio was $242,894.


CABLEVISION SYSTEMS CORPORATION
CONSOLIDATED RESULTS FROM CONTINUING OPERATIONS
(Dollars in thousands)
(Unaudited)


NET REVENUES


Three Months Ended
December 31, %
------------------------
2004 2003 Change
----------- ----------- ------

Cable Television $773,478 $679,001 13.9%
Lightpath - Business Services 54,527 45,638 19.5%
Eliminations (a) (7,550) (1,679) -
----------- -----------
Total Telecommunications 820,455 722,960 13.5%
----------- -----------
AMC/IFC/WE 137,016 120,852 13.4%
Consolidated Regional Sports 76,957 46,126 66.8%
----------- -----------
Subtotal Core Networks 213,973 166,978 28.1%
Developing/Other 53,223 52,130 2.1%
Eliminations (a) (8,334) (9,905) 15.9%
----------- -----------
Total Rainbow 258,862 209,203 23.7%
----------- -----------
MSG 298,190 322,606 (7.6)%
Rainbow DBS 5,314 - -
Theatres 21,133 22,747 (7.1)%
Other (b) 2,945 - -
Eliminations (c) (42,465) (50,232) 15.5%
----------- -----------
Total Cablevision $1,364,434 $1,227,284 11.2%
=========== ===========


NET REVENUES

Twelve Months Ended
December 31, %
------------------------
2004 2003 Change
----------- ----------- -------

Cable Television $2,944,009 $2,549,402 15.5%
Lightpath - Business Services 203,908 178,321 14.3%
Eliminations (a) (23,961) (12,425) (92.8)%
----------- -----------
Total Telecommunications 3,123,956 2,715,298 15.1%
----------- -----------
AMC/IFC/WE 522,975 441,901 18.3%
Consolidated Regional Sports 386,676 167,250 131.2%
----------- -----------
Subtotal Core Networks 909,651 609,151 49.3%
Developing/Other 214,671 184,738 16.2%
Eliminations (a) (30,123) (29,043) (3.7)%
----------- -----------
Total Rainbow 1,094,199 764,846 43.1%
----------- -----------
MSG 778,754 771,986 0.9%
Rainbow DBS 14,935 - -
Theatres 80,472 84,447 (4.7)%
Other (b) 6,293 - -
Eliminations (c) (165,745) (159,429) (4.0)%
----------- -----------
Total Cablevision $4,932,864 $4,177,148 18.1%
=========== ===========

(a) Represents intra-segment revenues.

(b) Includes net revenues of PVI Virtual Media which was consolidated
in the second quarter of 2004 in accordance with FIN 46.

(c) Represents inter-segment revenues.


CABLEVISION SYSTEMS CORPORATION
CONSOLIDATED RESULTS FROM CONTINUING OPERATIONS (Cont'd)
(Dollars in thousands)
(Unaudited)

OPERATING INCOME (LOSS) AND ADJUSTED OPERATING CASH FLOW


Operating Income
(Loss)
--------------------
Three Months Ended
December 31, %
--------------------
2004 2003 Change
---------- --------- --------
Cable Television $114,976 $67,680 69.9%
Lightpath - Business Services (1,375) (2,289) 39.9%
---------- ---------
Total Telecommunications 113,601 65,391 73.7%
---------- ---------
AMC/IFC/WE (b) 38,811 12,433 -
Consolidated Regional Sports 35,248 8,168 -
---------- ---------
Subtotal Core Networks 74,059 20,601 -
Developing/Other (b) (20,196) (35,929) 43.8%
---------- ---------
Total Rainbow 53,863 (15,328) -
---------- ---------
MSG 41,344 11,362 -
Rainbow DBS (449,845) (54,902) -
Theatres (1,836) (722) (154.3)%
Other (c) (36,183) (51,831) 30.2%
---------- ---------
Total Cablevision $(279,056) $(46,030) -
========== =========


Adjusted Operating
Cash Flow (a)
-------------------
Three Months Ended
December 31, %
-------------------
2004 2003 Change
--------- --------- -------
Cable Television $303,987 $253,026 20.1%
Lightpath - Business Services 21,019 19,804 6.1%
--------- ---------
Total Telecommunications 325,006 272,830 19.1%
--------- ---------
AMC/IFC/WE (b) 55,459 34,099 62.6%
Consolidated Regional Sports 40,391 12,378 -
--------- ---------
Subtotal Core Networks 95,850 46,477 106.2%
Developing/Other (b) (9,036) (24,572) 63.2%
--------- ---------
Total Rainbow 86,814 21,905 -
--------- ---------
MSG 54,840 28,083 95.3%
Rainbow DBS (189,974) (47,664) -
Theatres 1,078 1,481 (27.2)%
Other (c) (16,354) (26,574) 38.5%
--------- ---------
Total Cablevision $261,410 $250,061 4.5%
========= =========

OPERATING INCOME (LOSS) AND ADJUSTED OPERATING CASH FLOW

Operating Income
(Loss)
-------------------
Twelve Months Ended
December 31, %
-------------------
2004 2003 Change
--------- --------- ------
Cable Television $432,031 $249,315 73.3%
Lightpath - Business Services (8,940) (9,280) 3.7%
--------- ---------
Total Telecommunications 423,091 240,035 76.3%
--------- ---------
AMC/IFC/WE (b) 159,815 110,445 44.7%
Consolidated Regional Sports 111,481 42,184 164.3%
--------- ---------
Subtotal Core Networks 271,296 152,629 77.7%
Developing/Other (b) (73,518) (117,183) 37.3%
--------- ---------
Total Rainbow 197,778 35,446 -
--------- ---------
MSG 117,025 4,499 -
Rainbow DBS (661,446) (89,668) -
Theatres (6,518) (1,952) -
Other (c) (129,367) (156,663) 17.4%
--------- ---------
Total Cablevision $(59,437) $31,697 -
========= =========


Adjusted Operating
Cash Flow (a)
-----------------------
Twelve Months Ended
December 31, %
-----------------------
2004 2003 Change
----------- ----------- -------
Cable Television $1,153,566 $974,323 18.4%
Lightpath - Business Services 73,224 71,835 1.9%
----------- -----------
Total Telecommunications 1,226,790 1,046,158 17.3%
----------- -----------
AMC/IFC/WE (b) 234,058 170,808 37.0%
Consolidated Regional Sports 132,612 55,115 140.6%
----------- -----------
Subtotal Core Networks 366,670 225,923 62.3%
Developing/Other (b) (34,499) (76,709) 55.0%
----------- -----------
Total Rainbow 332,171 149,214 122.6%
----------- -----------
MSG 170,057 67,626 151.5%
Rainbow DBS (367,126) (82,254) -
Theatres 2,566 5,866 (56.3)%
Other (c) (47,052) (40,731) (15.5)%
----------- -----------
Total Cablevision $1,317,406 $1,145,879 15.0%
=========== ===========

(a) Adjusted operating cash flow excludes restructuring charges
(credits) of $(2.0) million and $0.2 million in the three and
twelve months ended December 31, 2004 and $(0.7) million and $10.7
million in the three and twelve months ended December 31, 2003. It
also excludes stock plan expense of $18.2 million and $35.1
million in the three and twelve months ended December 31, 2004 and
$21.2 million and $42.8 million in the three and twelve months
ended December 31, 2003. Adjusted operating cash flow includes
long-term incentive plan expenses of $5.5 million and $31.8
million in the three and twelve months ended December 31, 2004,
and $6.8 million and $36.0 million in the three and twelve months
ended December 31, 2003. The long-term incentive plan expenses are
cash awards, some of which are performance based, to senior
executives of the company that vest over varying periods.

(b) Operating income (loss) for AMC/IFC/WE and Developing/Other has
been reclassified to reflect the push down from Rainbow Media
Holdings of certain amortization expense of acquired intangibles
and depreciation expense relating to the fair value step up of
fixed assets.

(c) Other includes certain senior management retirement costs,
management bonuses and costs associated with the Rainbow DBS spin
off plan and the cost of Sarbanes-Oxley compliance. Other
operating income (loss) also includes certain long-term incentive
plan expenses.

SUMMARY OF OPERATING STATISTICS
(Unaudited)

December 31, September 30, December 31,
2004 2004 2003
------------ ------------- --------------
CABLE TELEVISION
----------------
Homes Passed 4,443,229 4,427,561 4,400,894
============ ============= ==============
Basic Video Customers 2,963,001 2,952,213 2,944,694
Digital Video Customers 1,483,024 1,337,091 905,494
High-Speed Data Customers(a) 1,352,541 1,259,024 1,057,022
Voice Customers 272,688 189,191 28,650
Residential Telephone
Customers 9,412 9,874 11,184
------------ ------------- --------------
Total Revenue Generating
Units 6,080,666 5,747,393 4,947,044
============ ============= ==============
Basic Video Penetration 66.7% 66.7% 66.9%
Customer Relationships(b) 3,078,172 3,063,036 3,041,851
Monthly Churn 1.9% 2.1% 2.1%
----------------------------------------- ------------- --------------

iO - Digital Video
------------------

Customers 1,483,024 1,337,091 905,494
Penetration of Basic Video
Customers 50.1% 45.3% 30.8%
Monthly Churn 2.5% 3.1% 3.2%
----------------------------------------- ------------- --------------

Optimum Online - High-Speed Data
--------------------------------

Customers (a) 1,352,541 1,259,024 1,057,022
Penetration of Homes Passed 30.4% 28.4% 24.0%
Monthly Churn 2.2% 2.6% 2.2%
----------------------------------------- ------------- --------------

Optimum Voice - Voice
---------------------

Customers 272,688 189,191 28,650
Penetration of Homes Passed 6.1% 4.3% 0.7%
---------------------------- ------------ ------------- --------------

Optimum Telephone - Residential
-------------------------------

Customers 9,412 9,874 11,184
----------------------------------------- ------------- --------------

Cable Television Revenues for the
three months ended (dollars in
millions, except per customer
data)
---------------------------------

Video (c) $545 $542 $507
Advertising 30 24 30
Other (d) 9 4 4
----------- ------------ --------------
Total Video Revenues 584 570 541
High-Speed Data 159 150 129
Voice and Other 30 23 10
----------- ------------ --------------
Total Cable Television
Revenue $773 $743 $680
=========== ============ ==============
Average Monthly Cable
Television Revenue per
Basic Video Customer $87.17 $83.89 $76.69
---------------------------- ----------- ------------ --------------

LIGHTPATH - Business Services
-----------------------------

Buildings on-net 1,662 1,634 1,653
Access Lines 154,001 151,210 142,688
Fiber Miles 126,690 121,995 119,405
Route Miles 2,439 2,390 2,320


(a) Includes 36,138 business modem customers as of December 31, 2004;
33,535 as of September 30, 2004; and 25,699 as of December 31,
2003.

(b) Number of customers who receive at least one of the Company's
services. Does not include customers who subscribe only to
business modem service totaling 17,563 as of December 31, 2004;
12,536 as of September 30, 2004; and 8,804 as of December 31,
2003.

(c) Video revenue includes analog, digital, PPV, VOD and SVOD revenue.

(d) Includes installation revenue, guide revenue, and other product
offerings.


CABLEVISION SYSTEMS CORPORATION
SUMMARY OF OPERATING STATISTICS (Cont'd)
(Dollars in thousands)
(Unaudited)

Three Months Ended
December 31,
--------------------
2004 2003
--------- ---------
CAPITAL EXPENDITURES
--------------------

Consumer premise equipment $81,131 $86,840
Scalable infrastructure 13,093 19,442
Line extensions 11,412 7,450
Upgrade/rebuild 4,156 29,812
Support 13,921 11,714
--------- ---------
Total Cable Television 123,713 155,258
Commercial (Lightpath) 14,293 21,818
--------- ---------
Total Telecommunications 138,006 177,076
Rainbow 11,369 4,988
MSG 5,626 3,039
Rainbow DBS 54,458 36,768
Other (Corporate and Theatres) 11,535 4,563
--------- ---------
Total Cablevision $220,994 $226,434
========= =========



Twelve Months Ended
December 31,
--------------------
2004 2003
--------- ---------
CAPITAL EXPENDITURES
--------------------

Consumer premise equipment $428,476 $448,456
Scalable infrastructure 56,893 60,628
Line extensions 30,393 23,303
Upgrade/rebuild 11,671 139,074
Support 46,405 43,721
--------- ---------
Total Cable Television 573,838 715,182
Commercial (Lightpath) 47,642 60,259
--------- ---------
Total Telecommunications 621,480 775,441
Rainbow 23,956 15,760
MSG 12,153 6,578
Rainbow DBS 98,478 78,398
Other (Corporate and Theatres) 19,568 12,194
--------- ---------
Total Cablevision $775,635 $888,371
========= =========
------------------------------------- ---------------- ---------------

Viewing Basic
Subscribers Subscribers
--------------- ---------------
December 31, December 31,
--------------- ---------------
2004 2003 2004 2003
------- ------- ------- -------
SUBSCRIBERS (in thousands)
-----------

AMC 76,100 74,000 84,000 81,000
WE 49,900 46,700 71,600 68,400
IFC 34,600 29,700 74,900 69,900
fuse 33,100 29,600 66,800 62,300
Consolidated Regional Sports
(Florida, Ohio, Bay Area & Chicago) 16,000 15,300 17,300 16,600
Non-Consolidated Fox Sports Networks
(New England) 3,800 3,700 4,300 4,200



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Contact:
Cablevision Systems Corporation
Charles Schueler, 516-803-1013
or
John Bier, 516-803-2270



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source: Cablevision Systems Corporation
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rtt2
I think a lot of the money went into advertising. They did a big medea blitz on expensive outlets. They had some national advertizing as well as direct marketing campaigns.s This is very very expensive.
W
"Total capital expenditures for Rainbow DBS for the 4th quarter - 54,458"
rtt2: I don't think that advertisement is considered capital.
T
OK.....thanks, Sean, I get the message. I kinda figured something like that was up. In any case, it's good news for us Voomers!
M
justalurker said:
Unverifiable facts are so much fun!
JL

JL, see this post
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=315976#post315976

maybe not too unverifiable :)
J
vurbano said:
I believe Sean.
I did not say I didn't believe him, other than the facts presented.

BTW: I like being a winner, Scott.

JL
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
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White Noise - Jessie Baylin
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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
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White Sun - The Doobie Brothers
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cpdretired
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
ewindowman
Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.
Almighty1
Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.
Never had time to use the Hopper 3 account app yet. I also have a Hopper Plus so it's not the same as the Hopper 3 standalone. Will try it when I have more time, need to beat the taxes extension filing deadline first as I am still working on entering the data into the tax software.
Almighty1
This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
S
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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"MysteryMan"
Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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EarDemon
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
WhiteBeard
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything. ☹️
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
EarDemon
I have no OEM bloat, on CTO devices where I can access the drive, I order it with the smallest allowed drive and crack the device open throw the factory drive in the garbage and put in my own WD Black and install Windows from bootable media. For Windows bloat, I install Windows using the English - World option which limits preinstalled MS bloat.

Windows and Office features I wish to block, like CoPilot and Cortana, macro enabled Office files and others are blocked with GPOs.

Between keeping all software up to date, doing firmware updates, putting IoT devices on a separate VLAN, running Symantec Endpoint (say what you want about it, it's been good to me) and practicing safe hex, I'm vigilant but not paranoid about security.

With NVMe SSDs, my cold boot up time on all devices is under 30 secs as well. Fast boot disabled, BitLocker drive encryption enabled.

I have nothing against Linux, been paying with it on and off since 2004ish, it's just not the right solution for me.
HipKat
it's just not the right solution for me.
As I said above, and, FWIW, I run Win11 Pro and Arch on separate 250 GB NVME drives, using F8 to select which I boot to, with a 1TB SSD for storage, accessible to both OSs and a third formatted Nvme I want to use to learn Kali. It was much faster to setup Arch than it was to strip down Windows. Windows still takes much longer to boot.

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harshness
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.
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What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?
Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.
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I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.
harshness
Because it's what I prefer.
I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.
Former member 209992
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
Foxbat
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. :D
WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
S
zipping right along here
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WTF… …What the Foxbat!😱
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
Foxbat
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
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jannah
All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return. 🙂
S
All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return. 🙂
i bought mine straight from dish as it was only $ 100.00 bucks!!! had the protection plan they came out removed and deactivated the 4k joey and activated and installed the joey 4.
zcrayfish
Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.
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Nominal
I don't know if things are different with Dish but when I first rejoined DirecTV a few years ago Solid Signal was able to create my account and activate the equipment I got from them on a self-install without a truck roll.
S
Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.
1-800-333-3474. billing or tech support should be able to do it!!!
S
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
just call dish and iggy the number from solid signal!!
Foxbat
Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
Foxbat
The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only stick I with the Apple tv's is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is not worth sticking with it. Later, Apple!
S
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
jamieh1
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum
The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
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K
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.
b4pjoe
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.
But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.
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It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.
How soon will it be available on Apple TV? Thanks
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
AZ.
AZ.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Jimbo
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
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AZ.
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
Jimbo
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?
Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.
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Jimbo
IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?