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Dee_Ann
Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
Hi guys,

I've given up on getting FSTV on my STUPID pc tuner. :mad:

I tried every single app for satellite PC's I could find and none of them are worth a flip.

I verified beyond all shadow of a doubt that FSTV makes it all the way from outer space to the tip of the wire that plugs into the back of the PC.

I borrowed my folks' Openbox S9 a week or so ago and used it to tune in the channel, then I brought it inside and put it on the very end of the wire and it totally works great, I could see and hear the channel, crystal clear.

The PC, absolutely will NOT tune in FSTV at all, it totally ignores it as if there is no signal on that transponder. All the other transponders on 123w come in just fine, even a few "unlisted" ones. There is nothing at all wrong with the dish, switch or wires. It's the PC.

Another thorn in my backside is that the PC also does not acknowledge the existence of the LPBS channels. I found out via google that the reason the PC won't see LPBS is because of the FEC 3/5. I don't know it FSTV uses the 3/5 like LPBS does.

And finally, the PC is too wimpy to operate my ku motor. :mad:

These things really chap my bottom... :mad:

I have hated this whole PC thing ever since my ex came in and totally messed with EVERYTHING and changed everything in it. He put the new windows in it that I hate, he put that stupid my theater app in that I hate and he changed ALL the wires on everything so that I went from having TV in every room of the house to just having it in two rooms and even then it's a giant pain to change it when I go from one room to the other. :mad::rant:

I really want an Azbox but I can't get a straight answer on them.
They say this model is being dropped and a new model is arriving soon. And one model blind scans and another doesn't. And one can get OTA and satellite but NOT IN THE USA. Come on........ I want the model that gets OTA ATSC ~AND~ S2, ~AND~ blindscan, ~AND~ internet goodies, ~AND~ RECORDS !!!.... In other words, I want one that does EVERYTHING IN ONE BOX. I want something to totally replace this stupid PC mess. I want to do away with the PC once and for all. I hate it.

But I don't see that happening because it appears that the Azbox people are trying to push these itty-bitty wimpy little boxes that are too small to have all those features in them.

Whatever. I've given up on the Azbox idea. It's a pipe dream and it'll never happen.

So, I've come to the conclusion that about all I can do now is get an Openbox S-something. 9 or 10, I don't know. I heard the 10 is itty-bitty. Less features. Less is not better. So I guess it will have to be a 9 like my folks.

I want it to be able to record. My folks' S9 can record to a USB disk. Fine.

The problem I see however is that the picture is green. I've seen you guys talk about that and when I had my folks' S9 here the picture was green.

I'll have to plug it into the video capture card of the PC to be able to see it and that means I'll have to use the yellow/red/white wires. The picture will be terrible but that's the only way I can do it with the way things are done here.

But at this point, I don't care. Even if it looks like a 1952 Dumont !!
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I don't care because I want the flippin channels!! :rant:


I have a Coolsat 6000 but I guess it's pretty useless, I suppose I can try to sell it on ebay for $50.

One thing I would CONSIDER, is replacing the tuner cards in the PC. As much as I hate this whole PC thing, I would consider the option.

The main problem would be this. I have two tuner cards. Both are Hauppage brand. One is an OTA ATSC tuner and the other is a DVB-S2 tuner.

The app is called "My Theater". This was not my choice, my ex installed it on the pc. And what's more, he paid for it with my money. Idiot. And the stupid thing has his name on it on the help screen. :mad: I know he did that just to make me mad every time the app starts up. :mad: He didn't ask me or tell me anything, he just did it and said "Here ya go." and walked out the door.
Months on I asked him why he did that and he said it was the only app that would do satellite and OTA. And after having tried all the satellite apps I could find, I suppose he was right. But I'm still mad anyway.

So back to the tuners and the app. In the app I have local OTA channels and satellite channels all in a list of favorites. I press the channel up and down buttons on the remote control and it changes between local OTA and satellite channels seamlessly. I can name and number the channels to anything I want in any order I want. This much I like. So for instance I can have OETA as channel 19 and KFDM (local OTA ATSC) as channel 20. The app treats all channels equally no matter where they come from.

So if I replace the tuner cards I would have to replace both of them to be a matched pair, satellite and OTA tuners that both use a single remote control as mine do now. I will not put two mismatched tuners in where each one has a separate remote control. I'm already living in remote control h*ll as it is now.

Maybe someone makes a single tuner card that gets satellite and OTA on a single card?

I have no idea what brands of tuner cards are made or how to know which ones will work with this stupid my theater app. I doubt any new cards will, from what I have read, the app was abandoned a few years ago and is no longer updated to keep up with the times. :(

All the other apps also appear to be long abandoned as well. Which leads me back to wanting to have a REAL satellite tuner so I can ditch the PC. It's big, it's noisy, it's hot, it's ugly and it uses a lot of electricity. And it's always, always a huge pain. I really can't stand it. :mad:


So while digging around it appears the best price I can find an Openbox for is about $100.

I wouldn't mind another brand as long as it does S2, will work with my Discque 1.1 switch, allow for weird switch setups so that I can combine two motors AND 8 dishes on a 1.1 switch, can tune in LPBS, can tune in FSTV, can blindscan S2 AND can ~record~.......

I'm thinking that the closest I'm going to get to that for the least amount of money is the Openbox. If I keep waiting for an Azbox I'll be an old lady in a nursing home.

And I don't see that the theater app will ever be upgraded where it can tune in LPBS. And that may also be the same reason that it won't tune in FSTV as well though I have no way to know that.

I guess for now I just need to get a regular satellite tuner and use it along with the PC to watch whatever I can on them. I want to simplify everything and reduce the machinery and remotes and wires and clutter and confusion. I just want ONE box that gets and plays everything with ONE remote control.

There has to be a way to end the nightmare... :(

Should I just cave in and buy an Openbox now? Is $100 the best price I will find one for? Am I insane to try to sell my Coolsat 6000 for $50?

Thanks... :confused:


Edit: What about a Pansat 9200 HD ??
Will that cover most of the things ? ATSC and S2? I see it says it supports the 1.2 discque switches but it doesn't say anything about 1.1 :confused:

It costs more than the Openbox but it may come closer to being a single box replacement for this stupid PC..
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Pixl
Dee Ann,

Some people have reported the S-10 runs so cool it actually lowers the room temperature by 2 degrees!

If you bought it off Ebay for cheap it might be a defective "returned" box or maybe a clone with old software re-labeled with a newer date.

I would suggest you start a new thread (this one is too long) and ask about software versions and how to upload it properly.

Earlier in this thread you mentioned loosing a paused tv show after changing the channel. This is typical of all dvr's, my S-9, Manhattan, and all 5 TiVo's that I have will do the same. Just be careful not to change the channel.
Jim S.
I can't speak to the S10, but my S9 always used to run so cool you could hardly feel it. Last night, I noticed that it was pretty hot, which also coincides with my motor not moving anymore! I haven't had time to investigate the motor yet, but I wonder whether something is shorted in the S9.
Pixl
I can't speak to the S10, but my S9 always used to run so cool you could hardly feel it. Last night, I noticed that it was pretty hot, which also coincides with my motor not moving anymore! I haven't had time to investigate the motor yet, but I wonder whether something is shorted in the S9.

Jim,

I had trouble with the S-9 not having enough voltage out to the dishes. Take a look at my posts in this thread.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/c-band-satellite-discussion/255501-now-its-here-now-its-gone.html
Jim S.
I measured the voltage as 18.3V at the LNB connection with the motor connected. I haven't attempted to measure it with the LNB connected also.
Dee_Ann
Yeah, actually the thread is now spun off on a direction different from the original topic so I guess I should start a different thread that is now about this S10 I now own and what it takes to make it work right. Surely I'm not the only one that's had some S10 issues. The original topic title doesn't do anything to help indicate what sort of information I'm looking for now..

BBL!! :)
dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$6.099​
Premium$6.599​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
K
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Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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harshness
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
MikeD-C05
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
harshness
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
J
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).

On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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navychop
It'll only see two EHDs at a time.
Almighty1
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.
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Almighty1
As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.
It is not just a display signal as explained above. When you have the Hopper+ connected, it uses Android TV for pretty much everything except for the satellite signal which is why it uses the DISH app for the standard Hopper 3 functions. But that should not matter because in your case, CasinoH3 is the Hopper 3 with the EHD which is what you call the naughty one based on the dates you mentioned and Master Bedroom which has the Hopper Plus connected to the Hopper 3 that does not have the problem. So one way to test the theory is disconnect the Hopper Plus from that Hopper 3 and then use the EHD's connected to CasinoH3 currently to see if the same issue exists. That way you will know if the problem is there without a Hopper Plus connected or if CasinoH3 is just a bad hopper to begin with.

Normally when you disconnect the Hopper Plus, it will be 30 minutes or more before you can use the Hopper 3 again.

What you want to do is:
hold the POWER button in, not the red reset button, for about 45 seconds or so while disconnecting the power to the Plus and moving the HDMI cable and it will reboot to the normal Hopper only immediately.
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bookworm370
It'll only see two EHDs at a time.
Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online, the other one consistently will not come online
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bookworm370
Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online; the other consistently won't. Also, when I connect the EHD, the USB Detected status light on the EHD itself changes from Red to Green. But the Hopper (713) does not start the EHD read process. The light changes to indicate that the EHD has detected a valid USB cable, but the Hopper does not recognize it.
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Peter Parker
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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bookworm370
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I got the 713 update yesterday.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.
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HipKat
Guys,
Android is Google. Google is Android. Android OS and Google TV are the same thing.
The Hopper+ and Joey 4's run Android TV, which is Google's television version of Android.
That means under the hood, you have:
  • Linux kernel
  • Android framework
  • Google TV / Android TV interface
  • Google Play Store for TV apps
Alexa is the competition. Google is not going to host their competition.
The old Hopper Carbon UI is NOT Google so that's why Alexa was on there.
H
Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.
navychop
Ungood.
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What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
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navychop
Tell Alexa verbally what to do.
meStevo
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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meStevo
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
harshness
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
meStevo
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
harshness
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
meStevo
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
harshness
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
meStevo
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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harshness
This is true of literally anything, though.
Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?
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Foxbat
Oops.
dishstaller
Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.