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[VOOM] Cablevision's fuzzy picture

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzvoom4162902mar03,0,7013367.story?coll=n
y-business-headlines

Two Dolans launch Web site to keep Voom satellite alive after James Dolan
and board voted to close it


BY HARRY BERKOWITZ
STAFF WRITER

March 3, 2005

The Dolan family struggle over shutting down Cablevision's Voom satellite TV
service has become a war of the Web sites.

Cablevision Systems Corp. chairman Charles Dolan and his son Tom, the Voom
chief executive, launched a new renegade Web site yesterday at voomllc.com
proclaiming "Voom Still Delivers" even though on Monday the Cablevision
board, backed by corporate chief executive James Dolan, decided to shut Voom
down rather than hand it over to Charles and Tom.

The feud has split James Dolan from his two brothers, Tom and Patrick, and
father, Charles, who are also on the board and who want Voom kept alive. The
Dolans control Cablevision, the nation's sixth-largest cable TV service.

Voom, which features high-definition channels, competes with DirecTV and
Dish Network but has attracted only 46,000 subscribers and has posted huge
losses.

The new Web site encouraged potential subscribers to contact the Voom call
center, where customer service representatives were still taking new orders,
including installation in up to three rooms for $1.

The old Web site, voom.com, ran a very different message authorized by
Cablevision management for the second day: "Voom has ceased taking new
customer orders and will shut down by the end of March."

Confusion reigned among employees of Jericho-based Voom, who were told that
Cablevision chief operating officer Tom Rutledge wanted the call center
closed. "Everyone looked really pale," a Voom insider said of the reaction
of employees. "It's pretty glum."

Rutledge, who is based at Cablevision headquarters in Bethpage, sent a
notice to some Voom employees that they will be laid off permanently,
probably between Friday and March 31, as part of the shutdown of Voom. The
service employs several dozen workers.

"I've been directed to close it down, which I'm in the process of doing,"
Rutledge, who was appointed by James Dolan to oversee the shutdown, said at
a Bear Stearns investor conference in Palm Beach, Fla.

When asked about the conflicting signals, a Voom customer service
representative said, "The various announcements have yet to be resolved" and
encouraged a caller to sign up for the "Va Va Voom" programming package.

"There are still some people that will stick with Mr. Dolan to the very end
because it's Mr. Dolan," a Voom insider said of the 78-year-old Cablevision
chairman and founder.

Among those people are Tom, 52, and Patrick, 53, who along with Charles were
among the four board members who voted in December not to abandon Voom,
sources said yesterday. But they were outvoted by nine other board members,
including James, 49.

Patrick, who is president of the company's News 12 Networks, is firmly in
his "father's column," a source close to the board said.

This is not the first time Patrick and James have been at odds. In 2001,
Patrick told News 12 employees not to wear American flag lapel pins during
telecasts so as not to appear biased by patriotic emotions after the Sept.
11 terrorist attacks. James Dolan hinted that he opposed the ban but would
not override it and said Cablevision would give all company employees a free
flag.



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jeffrey gold
I called the guy from Newsday yesterday about it and
it reminded of the family that owned the Louisville
Courier and how they closed the paper cause the family
couldn t get along. I could be the really content of
cablevision and the dolan family but I think if you
look at the voom.com and voomllc they are in agreement
this morning and the deal is totally done
--- berockin1 <berockin1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> This brings me back to the days of night time soaps.
> Dynasty, Dallas
> kind of stuff... LOL
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "David Landsman"
> <davidlandsman@c...>
> wrote:
> > http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-

> bzvoom4162902mar03,0,7013367.story?coll=n
> > y-business-headlines
> >
> > Two Dolans launch Web site to keep Voom satellite

> alive after James
> Dolan
> > and board voted to close it
> >
> >
> > BY HARRY BERKOWITZ
> > STAFF WRITER
> >
> > March 3, 2005
> >
> > The Dolan family struggle over shutting down

> Cablevision's Voom
> satellite TV
> > service has become a war of the Web sites.
> >
> > Cablevision Systems Corp. chairman Charles Dolan

> and his son Tom,
> the Voom
> > chief executive, launched a new renegade Web site

> yesterday at
> voomllc.com
> > proclaiming "Voom Still Delivers" even though on

> Monday the
> Cablevision
> > board, backed by corporate chief executive James

> Dolan, decided to
> shut Voom
> > down rather than hand it over to Charles and Tom.
> >
> > The feud has split James Dolan from his two

> brothers, Tom and
> Patrick, and
> > father, Charles, who are also on the board and who

> want Voom kept
> alive. The
> > Dolans control Cablevision, the nation's

> sixth-largest cable TV
> service.
> >
> > Voom, which features high-definition channels,

> competes with
> DirecTV and
> > Dish Network but has attracted only 46,000

> subscribers and has
> posted huge
> > losses.
> >
> > The new Web site encouraged potential subscribers

> to contact the
> Voom call
> > center, where customer service representatives

> were still taking
> new orders,
> > including installation in up to three rooms for

> $1.
> >
> > The old Web site, voom.com, ran a very different

> message authorized
> by
> > Cablevision management for the second day: "Voom

> has ceased taking
> new
> > customer orders and will shut down by the end of

> March."
> >
> > Confusion reigned among employees of Jericho-based

> Voom, who were
> told that
> > Cablevision chief operating officer Tom Rutledge

> wanted the call
> center
> > closed. "Everyone looked really pale," a Voom

> insider said of the
> reaction
> > of employees. "It's pretty glum."
> >
> > Rutledge, who is based at Cablevision headquarters

> in Bethpage,
> sent a
> > notice to some Voom employees that they will be

> laid off
> permanently,
> > probably between Friday and March 31, as part of

> the shutdown of
> Voom. The
> > service employs several dozen workers.
> >
> > "I've been directed to close it down, which I'm in

> the process of
> doing,"
> > Rutledge, who was appointed by James Dolan to

> oversee the shutdown,
> said at
> > a Bear Stearns investor conference in Palm Beach,

> Fla.
> >
> > When asked about the conflicting signals, a Voom

> customer service
> > representative said, "The various announcements

> have yet to be
> resolved" and
> > encouraged a caller to sign up for the "Va Va

> Voom" programming
> package.
> >
> > "There are still some people that will stick with

> Mr. Dolan to the
> very end
> > because it's Mr. Dolan," a Voom insider said of

> the 78-year-old
> Cablevision
> > chairman and founder.
> >
> > Among those people are Tom, 52, and Patrick, 53,

> who along with
> Charles were
> > among the four board members who voted in December

> not to abandon
> Voom,
> > sources said yesterday. But they were outvoted by

> nine other board
> members,
> > including James, 49.
> >
> > Patrick, who is president of the company's News 12

> Networks, is
> firmly in
> > his "father's column," a source close to the board

> said.
> >
> > This is not the first time Patrick and James have

> been at odds. In
> 2001,
> > Patrick told News 12 employees not to wear

> American flag lapel pins
> during
> > telecasts so as not to appear biased by patriotic

> emotions after
> the Sept.
> > 11 terrorist attacks. James Dolan hinted that he

> opposed the ban
> but would
> > not override it and said Cablevision would give

> all company
> employees a free
> > flag.

>
>
>
>






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thegrod
Jeffrey,
Why are you so anxious to have the"deal done"? You are always the first to
hop on the VOOM DOOM bandwagon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeffrey gold" <jgold49@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Cablevision's fuzzy picture


>
> I called the guy from Newsday yesterday about it and
> it reminded of the family that owned the Louisville
> Courier and how they closed the paper cause the family
> couldn t get along. I could be the really content of
> cablevision and the dolan family but I think if you
> look at the voom.com and voomllc they are in agreement
> this morning and the deal is totally done
> --- berockin1 <berockin1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> This brings me back to the days of night time soaps.
>> Dynasty, Dallas
>> kind of stuff... LOL
>>
>> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "David Landsman"
>> <davidlandsman@c...>
>> wrote:
>> > http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-

>> bzvoom4162902mar03,0,7013367.story?coll=n
>> > y-business-headlines
>> >
>> > Two Dolans launch Web site to keep Voom satellite

>> alive after James
>> Dolan
>> > and board voted to close it
>> >
>> >
>> > BY HARRY BERKOWITZ
>> > STAFF WRITER
>> >
>> > March 3, 2005
>> >
>> > The Dolan family struggle over shutting down

>> Cablevision's Voom
>> satellite TV
>> > service has become a war of the Web sites.
>> >
>> > Cablevision Systems Corp. chairman Charles Dolan

>> and his son Tom,
>> the Voom
>> > chief executive, launched a new renegade Web site

>> yesterday at
>> voomllc.com
>> > proclaiming "Voom Still Delivers" even though on

>> Monday the
>> Cablevision
>> > board, backed by corporate chief executive James

>> Dolan, decided to
>> shut Voom
>> > down rather than hand it over to Charles and Tom.
>> >
>> > The feud has split James Dolan from his two

>> brothers, Tom and
>> Patrick, and
>> > father, Charles, who are also on the board and who

>> want Voom kept
>> alive. The
>> > Dolans control Cablevision, the nation's

>> sixth-largest cable TV
>> service.
>> >
>> > Voom, which features high-definition channels,

>> competes with
>> DirecTV and
>> > Dish Network but has attracted only 46,000

>> subscribers and has
>> posted huge
>> > losses.
>> >
>> > The new Web site encouraged potential subscribers

>> to contact the
>> Voom call
>> > center, where customer service representatives

>> were still taking
>> new orders,
>> > including installation in up to three rooms for

>> $1.
>> >
>> > The old Web site, voom.com, ran a very different

>> message authorized
>> by
>> > Cablevision management for the second day: "Voom

>> has ceased taking
>> new
>> > customer orders and will shut down by the end of

>> March."
>> >
>> > Confusion reigned among employees of Jericho-based

>> Voom, who were
>> told that
>> > Cablevision chief operating officer Tom Rutledge

>> wanted the call
>> center
>> > closed. "Everyone looked really pale," a Voom

>> insider said of the
>> reaction
>> > of employees. "It's pretty glum."
>> >
>> > Rutledge, who is based at Cablevision headquarters

>> in Bethpage,
>> sent a
>> > notice to some Voom employees that they will be

>> laid off
>> permanently,
>> > probably between Friday and March 31, as part of

>> the shutdown of
>> Voom. The
>> > service employs several dozen workers.
>> >
>> > "I've been directed to close it down, which I'm in

>> the process of
>> doing,"
>> > Rutledge, who was appointed by James Dolan to

>> oversee the shutdown,
>> said at
>> > a Bear Stearns investor conference in Palm Beach,

>> Fla.
>> >
>> > When asked about the conflicting signals, a Voom

>> customer service
>> > representative said, "The various announcements

>> have yet to be
>> resolved" and
>> > encouraged a caller to sign up for the "Va Va

>> Voom" programming
>> package.
>> >
>> > "There are still some people that will stick with

>> Mr. Dolan to the
>> very end
>> > because it's Mr. Dolan," a Voom insider said of

>> the 78-year-old
>> Cablevision
>> > chairman and founder.
>> >
>> > Among those people are Tom, 52, and Patrick, 53,

>> who along with
>> Charles were
>> > among the four board members who voted in December

>> not to abandon
>> Voom,
>> > sources said yesterday. But they were outvoted by

>> nine other board
>> members,
>> > including James, 49.
>> >
>> > Patrick, who is president of the company's News 12

>> Networks, is
>> firmly in
>> > his "father's column," a source close to the board

>> said.
>> >
>> > This is not the first time Patrick and James have

>> been at odds. In
>> 2001,
>> > Patrick told News 12 employees not to wear

>> American flag lapel pins
>> during
>> > telecasts so as not to appear biased by patriotic

>> emotions after
>> the Sept.
>> > 11 terrorist attacks. James Dolan hinted that he

>> opposed the ban
>> but would
>> > not override it and said Cablevision would give

>> all company
>> employees a free
>> > flag.

>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>
>
>
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>




------------------------
jeffrey gold
You are right the deal is this chuch fired 3 board
members last night and then is putting his son-in-law
on the board to give him the votes to get voom
private. So I think as of this moment that voom will
be around at the end of this next week with some
financing put to gether by charley.
I dont know if it will last or bloom but I do believe
it will hurt cablevison to have the founder manipulate
the board to get what he wants
--- thegrod <bruceg@htva.net> wrote:

> Jeffrey,
> Why are you so anxious to have the"deal done"? You
> are always the first to
> hop on the VOOM DOOM bandwagon.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jeffrey gold" <jgold49@yahoo.com>
> To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Cablevision's fuzzy picture
>
>
> >
> > I called the guy from Newsday yesterday about it

> and
> > it reminded of the family that owned the

> Louisville
> > Courier and how they closed the paper cause the

> family
> > couldn t get along. I could be the really content

> of
> > cablevision and the dolan family but I think if

> you
> > look at the voom.com and voomllc they are in

> agreement
> > this morning and the deal is totally done
> > --- berockin1 <berockin1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> This brings me back to the days of night time

> soaps.
> >> Dynasty, Dallas
> >> kind of stuff... LOL
> >>
> >> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "David Landsman"
> >> <davidlandsman@c...>
> >> wrote:
> >> > http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-
> >> bzvoom4162902mar03,0,7013367.story?coll=n
> >> > y-business-headlines
> >> >
> >> > Two Dolans launch Web site to keep Voom

> satellite
> >> alive after James
> >> Dolan
> >> > and board voted to close it
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BY HARRY BERKOWITZ
> >> > STAFF WRITER
> >> >
> >> > March 3, 2005
> >> >
> >> > The Dolan family struggle over shutting down
> >> Cablevision's Voom
> >> satellite TV
> >> > service has become a war of the Web sites.
> >> >
> >> > Cablevision Systems Corp. chairman Charles

> Dolan
> >> and his son Tom,
> >> the Voom
> >> > chief executive, launched a new renegade Web

> site
> >> yesterday at
> >> voomllc.com
> >> > proclaiming "Voom Still Delivers" even though

> on
> >> Monday the
> >> Cablevision
> >> > board, backed by corporate chief executive

> James
> >> Dolan, decided to
> >> shut Voom
> >> > down rather than hand it over to Charles and

> Tom.
> >> >
> >> > The feud has split James Dolan from his two
> >> brothers, Tom and
> >> Patrick, and
> >> > father, Charles, who are also on the board and

> who
> >> want Voom kept
> >> alive. The
> >> > Dolans control Cablevision, the nation's
> >> sixth-largest cable TV
> >> service.
> >> >
> >> > Voom, which features high-definition channels,
> >> competes with
> >> DirecTV and
> >> > Dish Network but has attracted only 46,000
> >> subscribers and has
> >> posted huge
> >> > losses.
> >> >
> >> > The new Web site encouraged potential

> subscribers
> >> to contact the
> >> Voom call
> >> > center, where customer service representatives
> >> were still taking
> >> new orders,
> >> > including installation in up to three rooms for
> >> $1.
> >> >
> >> > The old Web site, voom.com, ran a very

> different
> >> message authorized
> >> by
> >> > Cablevision management for the second day:

> "Voom
> >> has ceased taking
> >> new
> >> > customer orders and will shut down by the end

> of
> >> March."
> >> >
> >> > Confusion reigned among employees of

> Jericho-based
> >> Voom, who were
> >> told that
> >> > Cablevision chief operating officer Tom

> Rutledge
> >> wanted the call
> >> center
> >> > closed. "Everyone looked really pale," a Voom
> >> insider said of the
> >> reaction
> >> > of employees. "It's pretty glum."
> >> >
> >> > Rutledge, who is based at Cablevision

> headquarters
> >> in Bethpage,
> >> sent a
> >> > notice to some Voom employees that they will be
> >> laid off
> >> permanently,
> >> > probably between Friday and March 31, as part

> of
> >> the shutdown of
> >> Voom. The
> >> > service employs several dozen workers.
> >> >
> >> > "I've been directed to close it down, which I'm

> in
> >> the process of
> >> doing,"
> >> > Rutledge, who was appointed by James Dolan to
> >> oversee the shutdown,
> >> said at
> >> > a Bear Stearns investor conference in Palm

> Beach,
> >> Fla.
> >> >
> >> > When asked about the conflicting signals, a

> Voom
> >> customer service
> >> > representative said, "The various announcements
> >> have yet to be
> >> resolved" and
> >> > encouraged a caller to sign up for the "Va Va
> >> Voom" programming
> >> package.
> >> >
> >> > "There are still some people that will stick

> with
> >> Mr. Dolan to the
> >> very end
> >> > because it's Mr. Dolan," a Voom insider said of
> >> the 78-year-old
> >> Cablevision
> >> > chairman and founder.
> >> >
> >> > Among those people are Tom, 52, and Patrick,

> 53,
> >> who along with
> >> Charles were
> >> > among the four board members who voted in

> December
> >> not to abandon
> >> Voom,
> >> > sources said yesterday. But they were outvoted

> by
> >> nine other board
> >> members,
> >> > including James, 49.
> >> >
> >> > Patrick, who is president of the company's News

> 12
> >> Networks, is
> >> firmly in
> >> > his "father's column," a source close to the

> board
> >> said.
> >> >
> >> > This is not the first time Patrick and James

> have
> >> been at odds. In
> >> 2001,
> >> > Patrick told News 12 employees not to wear
> >> American flag lapel pins

>

=== message truncated ===





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thegrod
Jeffrey,
Are you aware that three members of the Cablevision board were terminated
yesterday in a successful coup by Dolan Sr. so that he would be in a better
position to buy VOOM? He hand picked the replacements. Just because the
website is TEMPORARILY down does not mean the deal is done....
As a favor to yourself and the other forum members, and with all due
respect, a little restraint in jumping to conclusions without all the facts
would be greatly appreciated. Opinions are OK but there are many forum
members right now who are concerned and confused and your postings do not
help anything except to give you the opportunity to "be right". Why not
wait and see how things develop? It is interesting to say the least. Your
opinion would be far more valuable if it was less like rumour mongering. I
am not trying to flame you but I have gotten really tired of your continual
negative postings.
Thegrod
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeffrey gold" <jgold49@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [VOOM] Re: Cablevision's fuzzy picture


>
> I called the guy from Newsday yesterday about it and
> it reminded of the family that owned the Louisville
> Courier and how they closed the paper cause the family
> couldn t get along. I could be the really content of
> cablevision and the dolan family but I think if you
> look at the voom.com and voomllc they are in agreement
> this morning and the deal is totally done
> --- berockin1 <berockin1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> This brings me back to the days of night time soaps.
>> Dynasty, Dallas
>> kind of stuff... LOL
>>
>> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "David Landsman"
>> <davidlandsman@c...>
>> wrote:
>> > http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-

>> bzvoom4162902mar03,0,7013367.story?coll=n
>> > y-business-headlines
>> >
>> > Two Dolans launch Web site to keep Voom satellite

>> alive after James
>> Dolan
>> > and board voted to close it
>> >
>> >
>> > BY HARRY BERKOWITZ
>> > STAFF WRITER
>> >
>> > March 3, 2005
>> >
>> > The Dolan family struggle over shutting down

>> Cablevision's Voom
>> satellite TV
>> > service has become a war of the Web sites.
>> >
>> > Cablevision Systems Corp. chairman Charles Dolan

>> and his son Tom,
>> the Voom
>> > chief executive, launched a new renegade Web site

>> yesterday at
>> voomllc.com
>> > proclaiming "Voom Still Delivers" even though on

>> Monday the
>> Cablevision
>> > board, backed by corporate chief executive James

>> Dolan, decided to
>> shut Voom
>> > down rather than hand it over to Charles and Tom.
>> >
>> > The feud has split James Dolan from his two

>> brothers, Tom and
>> Patrick, and
>> > father, Charles, who are also on the board and who

>> want Voom kept
>> alive. The
>> > Dolans control Cablevision, the nation's

>> sixth-largest cable TV
>> service.
>> >
>> > Voom, which features high-definition channels,

>> competes with
>> DirecTV and
>> > Dish Network but has attracted only 46,000

>> subscribers and has
>> posted huge
>> > losses.
>> >
>> > The new Web site encouraged potential subscribers

>> to contact the
>> Voom call
>> > center, where customer service representatives

>> were still taking
>> new orders,
>> > including installation in up to three rooms for

>> $1.
>> >
>> > The old Web site, voom.com, ran a very different

>> message authorized
>> by
>> > Cablevision management for the second day: "Voom

>> has ceased taking
>> new
>> > customer orders and will shut down by the end of

>> March."
>> >
>> > Confusion reigned among employees of Jericho-based

>> Voom, who were
>> told that
>> > Cablevision chief operating officer Tom Rutledge

>> wanted the call
>> center
>> > closed. "Everyone looked really pale," a Voom

>> insider said of the
>> reaction
>> > of employees. "It's pretty glum."
>> >
>> > Rutledge, who is based at Cablevision headquarters

>> in Bethpage,
>> sent a
>> > notice to some Voom employees that they will be

>> laid off
>> permanently,
>> > probably between Friday and March 31, as part of

>> the shutdown of
>> Voom. The
>> > service employs several dozen workers.
>> >
>> > "I've been directed to close it down, which I'm in

>> the process of
>> doing,"
>> > Rutledge, who was appointed by James Dolan to

>> oversee the shutdown,
>> said at
>> > a Bear Stearns investor conference in Palm Beach,

>> Fla.
>> >
>> > When asked about the conflicting signals, a Voom

>> customer service
>> > representative said, "The various announcements

>> have yet to be
>> resolved" and
>> > encouraged a caller to sign up for the "Va Va

>> Voom" programming
>> package.
>> >
>> > "There are still some people that will stick with

>> Mr. Dolan to the
>> very end
>> > because it's Mr. Dolan," a Voom insider said of

>> the 78-year-old
>> Cablevision
>> > chairman and founder.
>> >
>> > Among those people are Tom, 52, and Patrick, 53,

>> who along with
>> Charles were
>> > among the four board members who voted in December

>> not to abandon
>> Voom,
>> > sources said yesterday. But they were outvoted by

>> nine other board
>> members,
>> > including James, 49.
>> >
>> > Patrick, who is president of the company's News 12

>> Networks, is
>> firmly in
>> > his "father's column," a source close to the board

>> said.
>> >
>> > This is not the first time Patrick and James have

>> been at odds. In
>> 2001,
>> > Patrick told News 12 employees not to wear

>> American flag lapel pins
>> during
>> > telecasts so as not to appear biased by patriotic

>> emotions after
>> the Sept.
>> > 11 terrorist attacks. James Dolan hinted that he

>> opposed the ban
>> but would
>> > not override it and said Cablevision would give

>> all company
>> employees a free
>> > flag.

>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
> http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




------------------------
craniumny
[VOOM] Re: Cablevision's fuzzy picture

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, jeffrey gold <jgold49@y...> wrote:
> You are right the deal is this chuch fired 3 board
> members last night and then is putting his son-in-law
> on the board to give him the votes to get voom
> private. So I think as of this moment that voom will
> be around at the end of this next week with some
> financing put to gether by charley.
> I dont know if it will last or bloom but I do believe
> it will hurt cablevison to have the founder manipulate
> the board to get what he wants
>


Oh it will affect CV. I saw a brief note on CNBC this morning
saying that the SEC is conducting an informal investigation into
recent stock moves. The article is at

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?
Feed=AP&Date=20050303&ID=4280457&Symbol=US:CVC

And here is the specific excerpt:

The New York-area cable TV provider also disclosed in a regulatory
filing Thursday that the Securities and Exchange Commission had
begun an informal inquiry into the recent trading of the company's
shares, which rose higher in recent months after the company said it
would exit the satellite business.








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dishstaller
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.
dishstaller
That brought tears to my eyes.
Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....


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Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.


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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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DialgaChampion
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Does someone still have the diagram showing how to connect two Hopper 3s again?

I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.

The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.
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HipKat
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You need a 42 switch.
Run the outputs to the inputs on the Duo Hub
DialgaChampion
You need a 42 switch.
Run the outputs to the inputs on the Duo Hub

Okay, so I made an updated diagram just to make sure I understand this right...

- 2 Coax connected from outside Dish LNB into 42 switch.
- 2 Coax from 42 switch into Duo Hub.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into 1st Hopper 3.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into Power Inserter.
- 1 Coax from Power Inserter into 2nd Hopper 3.
- Power Inserter plugged into wall electrical outlet.

Did I get that right? And also, I assume the power inserter is required?
HipKat
Okay, so I made an updated diagram just to make sure I understand this right...

- 2 Coax connected from outside Dish LNB into 42 switch.
- 2 Coax from 42 switch into Duo Hub.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into 1st Hopper 3.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into Power Inserter.
- 1 Coax from Power Inserter into 2nd Hopper 3.
- Power Inserter plugged into wall electrical outlet.

Did I get that right? And also, I assume the power inserter is required?
Twa Coaxes from the LNB if it's Eastern Arc (2 "Eyes") and three if it's Western Arc and yes, the power inserter, it's required
LQQK
Does someone still have the diagram showing how to connect two Hopper 3s again?

I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.

The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.
Are you going with 2 H3s for the PIP/Multi-View features or something else?
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Are you going with 2 H3s for the PIP/Multi-View features or something else?

No, it's specifically to fix the problem with the 4K Joey's live feed intermittently freezing. I'll be watching a live program and then randomly out of nowhere, the picture and sound will just pixelate/freeze for 5-10 seconds, then go back to normal. Doesn't matter which channel it's on either. It's like what happens when the signal cuts out during heavy rain or a thunderstorm, but this will happen even on a perfectly clear day/night.

It doesn't happen with my H3 though, only with the Joey. I've replaced the solo hub and I've also replaced the Joey itself with another brand new 4K Joey, but it's still the same problem. And I know it's not the coax going from the hub into the Joey because I previously had another receiver connected in the same room before changing to the whole home dvr setup and that receiver worked fine.

So I'm basing this off process of elimination, which seems to indicate a problem with the 4K Joey device itself. Only thing I haven't tried is maybe getting a regular Joey 3, if that's still the latest model of Joey currently available, but otherwise the only other solution is getting a second Hopper 3. It'd be nice if the 42 and the Power Inserter weren't necessary and I could just use the Duo Hub though.
DialgaChampion
Twa Coaxes from the LNB if it's Eastern Arc (2 "Eyes") and three if it's Western Arc and yes, the power inserter, it's required
Yep just swap the lnb with a dpp lnb and connect the 42 switch.

Finally got around to trying to set everything up. Need some help because I've got an issue.

1st Hopper 3 works fine.

2nd Hopper 3 doesn't show any channels in my Top 200 package in the guide, even though it's set to All Subscribed. But it does see the 1st Hopper 3 and can access the recordings on it.

Here's my setup:
  • DPP EA 61.5/72 LNB on the dish. 2 Coaxes going from LNB into the DPH42 switch.
  • DPH42 "Receiver 1" port > Power Inserter "To Switch" port..... Power Inserter "To Receiver" port > Duo Hub "ODU 1" port.
  • DPH42 "Receiver 2" port > Duo Hub "ODU 2" port.
  • 2 Coaxes from both Host ports on the Duo Hub into both Hopper 3s.
I've spent the last few hours troubleshooting, no success. I did the Test Installation on the Diagnostics screen. Red button. Held Power Button for 15 seconds.

Also tried several different configurations with the coax cables according to Google's AI suggestions. Tried connecting both a Solo Hub and a Duo Hub (I don't have 2 solo hubs at the moment), having each Hopper connected to each hub independently. Tried connecting Receiver 2 from the DPH42 directly into the 2nd Hopper 3. Tried having the Power Inserter connected both before and after the hub.

I even checked my account online. Both Hopper 3s are authorized and "Powered" on the account. Even tried "Wake Up Receivers". That second H3 still won't show my channels in the guide at all.

According to Google's AI, it thinks this is the problem:
  • - When you plug two Hopper 3 units into a single Duo Hub, the hub cannot allocate the correct satellite transponder frequencies to both boxes simultaneously.
  • - As a result, the first Hopper 3 hogs the satellite line, while the second Hopper 3 gets locked out of the satellite signal entirely—causing an empty guide and blocking live TV. The unlinked status on the whole-home screen occurs because the software recognizes the conflict and stops integration.
But none of its solutions have worked. Any ideas?
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Googles AI is wrong as according to what you wrote you have two completely separate satellite line from the switch

My be a dumb question but did you run the check switch option on th 2nd H3

Did you try swapping the H3 to see if the problem switches between the two

That's all I can think of at the moment
DialgaChampion
Googles AI is wrong as according to what you wrote you have two completely separate satellite line from the switch

My be a dumb question but did you run the check switch option on th 2nd H3

Did you try swapping the H3 to see if the problem switches between the two

That's all I can think of at the moment

Check Status complete. No issues found.
Test Installation screen shows green checks for 61.5 and 72, all 16 tuners.
Options > TV Activity shows 1 of 16 tuners in use.

When I bring up the program guide, the dish scapes channel appears and displays fine. The guide also shows the bonusview channels, and the stream and ppv channels.

I tried swapping the 2nd H3's cables with the 1st H3 and having it as the only H3 connected. It still has the same issue, so it seems isolated to the second Hopper 3 itself.

There was another suggestion from Google, not sure if it applies:

If the TV Activity Screen shows that your tuners are "Available" and "1 of 16 in use," your satellite signal path is 100% active and perfectly working. Your hardware wiring bypass has officially succeeded—the second Hopper 3 is successfully talking to the DPH42 switch, receiving high-frequency satellite data, and its internal processors are healthy. Because the hardware is fully operational, the fact that your screen is still black and the guide is missing means your receiver is stuck in Account Quarantine (Authorization Hold). Because a dual Hopper 3 system requires a non-standard account setup (32 tuners instead of the typical 16-tuner cap), standard "Wake Up" hits sent from the customer app or website are getting rejected by the system. The box can look at the data stream (which is why tuners show as available), but it is legally blocked by the internal software from decoding the live video feeds. To flip the switch and activate the live video feed, a DISH billing agent must manually push a tier-3 service re-hit through their legacy terminal.​

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No, it's specifically to fix the problem with the 4K Joey's live feed intermittently freezing. I'll be watching a live program and then randomly out of nowhere, the picture and sound will just pixelate/freeze for 5-10 seconds, then go back to normal. Doesn't matter which channel it's on either. It's like what happens when the signal cuts out during heavy rain or a thunderstorm, but this will happen even on a perfectly clear day/night.

It doesn't happen with my H3 though, only with the Joey. I've replaced the solo hub and I've also replaced the Joey itself with another brand new 4K Joey, but it's still the same problem. And I know it's not the coax going from the hub into the Joey because I previously had another receiver connected in the same room before changing to the whole home dvr setup and that receiver worked fine.

So I'm basing this off process of elimination, which seems to indicate a problem with the 4K Joey device itself. Only thing I haven't tried is maybe getting a regular Joey 3, if that's still the latest model of Joey currently available, but otherwise the only other solution is getting a second Hopper 3. It'd be nice if the 42 and the Power Inserter weren't necessary and I could just use the Duo Hub though.
Why not upgrade to the joey 4 with is an android box and dump the 4k joey
DialgaChampion
Ok, I finally solved it. The second Hopper 3 just needed to be updated to the latest software version. After downloading it, all the channels in my package showed up in the program guide. I guess Dish's system is set up so that if your receiver doesn't have the most recent software update, you can't access your channels, even if the receiver is authorized on the account.

Thank you everyone for helping. I'm very proud I was able to set all of this up myself with all of your guidance. I only wish my mother was still alive to enjoy it, but life is not fair.

Why not upgrade to the joey 4 with is an android box and dump the 4k joey

Stubborness perhaps. I could've tried replacing the original H3 to see if that solved the freezing issue too, since it's over 10 years old now. But I spent so much time and effort trying to set up the coax cables correctly and buying all the correct equipment for a 2 Hopper setup that I was determined to get it done. I'm not a DIYer, but this was one thing I was very passionate about doing, to give my parents the best television experience possible without the hassle of internet/streaming.
zippyfrog
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:
  • Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
  • Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
    • 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
    • 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
    • 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
    • 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
    • 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
    • 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
  • During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
  • Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
  • Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
  • There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
    • At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
    • At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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zippyfrog
Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now. TP 02, 04, 06, 08, 10 were all functioning as Spotbeams as of last week, but now they are ConUS.

This means all 21 transponders that Dish has access to at 119 are now ConUS.
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Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now.
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
zippyfrog
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
Nope - TP 1-13 are still ConUS on 110. Which is crazy...there are so many different spotbeams on the new 110 satellite compared to the older 110 or 119. Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now? If so, it looks like TP 1-13 are coming from the old satellite at 110 and 14 onward are spotbeams on the new satellite.
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Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now?
Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?
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Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

Here was a comment by nelson61 last year:
EchoStar 23 (Conus beam) will still be at 110W so there can be some Conus beam coverage from 110W depending on how many transponders they use for the spots.
In the same thread, he gave all the kml files for the spotbeams to put on Google Earth, and it looks like there are a lot more spotbeams per transponder available than the old satellite. My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

I would love an analysis of how many channels could be fit on all the spots!
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My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.
My only trouble with that explanation, is the fact that they are wasting at least 1 TP (TP 10, to be precise) on a local market (part of the Chicago locals are on that TP) that could be used for more CONUS channels (namely more HD!)
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Howard Simmons
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
So is Kelce.
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Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
He wants to be Brady
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Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans
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ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
rvvaquero
If Musk did acquire DISH, he would just convert it to use his own satellites to deliver it. Might be easier than creating a new startup. Change my dish out to one which connects to Starlink? Who knows?
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I was bewildered with all the new DISH TV "Bonus View" channels, so I put together a web page table with all the info I could find. It's at:

https://anythingpeaceful.org/dishtv/DISH_TV_Bonus_View_Channels.html

Here's a partial screenshot of the table, as sorted by Channel Name. (You can click on a column header to sort.)

screenshot.jpg


If you have any corrections or suggestions, please post here.
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One Bonus View channel added today. And one correction (on my part):

added and corrected.webp


One Removed:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

BTW, not a Bonus View item, but there was a temporary channel 304 Spooktacular added, I imagine just for the Halloween season.

Thanks again to Pat for the many tips.
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Three new Bonus View channels today:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

As always, thanks to Pat for the tips.
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Four Bonus View channels removed today:

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Why all the changes?
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Why all the changes?
I guess the Bonus View world is very dynamic.

And here's two more changes for you:
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meStevo
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Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.



View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Oooo, quite the show now. All three vents have doming and overflows. The cone that built up around the North vent lost its upper quarter at 02:50 Oct 17 and is now spewing lava at a healthy rate. Don't know if I would say it's a fountain, but it's close.


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edit: The USGS has called the official start of Episode 55 as starting at 03:19 HST Oct 17, 2026:

Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-10-17 13:43:56 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Saturday, October 17, 2026, 3:43 AM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H488
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 55 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 55 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Fountain heights are relatively low at about 100-150 feet (30-45 m), and it is not clear whether this episode will evolve to the same heights as previous episodes. Continuous overflows from the vents began yesterday, October 16, just before 6 a.m. HST and transitioned into episode 55 fountains at 3:19 a.m. HST this morning. The current forecast is for winds are blowing from the north-northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the south-southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
  • All eruptive vents and lava flows are confined to Halemaʻumaʻu crater within Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park. Tephra fall from volcanic ash clouds is greatest within 3 miles (5 km) of the vents, lighter ash and Pele's Hair may stay suspended for large distances from the vents.
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Kīlauea seems to be returning to the "normal" eruption script, impressive fountaining from the North Vent. For once, the V2 Cam has the best overall shot:
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The lava flows have covered a good portion of the Halemaʻumaʻu crater floor.
Foxbat
Looks like Episode 55 is over at 09:00 HST, just under six hours. The USGS said the fountains reached 720' or 220 meters.
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The USGS Kīlaeua Webcam #1 has been showing overflows and doming from the North vent overnight. Maybe the volcanic plumbing has settled back into its two-three week cycle of fountaining?

But I do miss the little cinder cone that broke up in the last episode.
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Sorry, I should have posted these earlier:

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We're still waiting on the start of Episode 56.
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dishstaller
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Now first, I'll mention that the area of FL I live in has extremely high humidity and not a lot of wind so things don't dry out very well for extended periods of time.
I'm in the process of tearing down and rebuilding a pergola with a surrounding deck that I built 9 yrs ago. 90% of the deck screws are just sheering off at the head because the screws rusted out. These are the deck screws you buy in the 25 lb box at your lumber yard. Very annoying. So I just ordered some 316L stainless steel screws to use for when I go to rebuild it.
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Now first, I'll mention that the area of FL I live in has extremely high humidity and not a lot of wind so things don't dry out very well for extended periods of time.
I'm in the process of tearing down and rebuilding a pergola with a surrounding deck that I built 9 yrs ago. 90% of the deck screws are just sheering off at the head because the screws rusted out. These are the deck screws you buy in the 25 lb box at your lumber yard. Very annoying. So I just ordered some 316L stainless steel screws to use for when I go to rebuild it.
Screws are all crap, soft and useless! Sick of going through 3 to get one not to break, strip or shear! I aint that strong in my old age!
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Well, isn't removal of screws intrinsically much tougher than drive-in, simply because over time they become more adhered to the wood, whether or not they actively rust? Possibly there could be less of that effect with stainless.
dishstaller
Well, isn't removal of screws intrinsically much tougher than drive-in, simply because over time they become more adhered to the wood, whether or not they actively rust?
I have seen that happen that not in this case. I had also used some screws from an old box I had that I needed to use up....didn't think much of it at the time. ALL of THOSE screws came out perfectly and had virtually no rust on them. The ones that you find at your lumber yard....those with the orange snap on lids were mostly rust. The problem with the heads sheering off was that I had to get my crowbar and pry each board up one joist at the time. Took a simple job and made it 1000% harder.

As for adhering to the wood...true story. Back when hurricane Michael hit, it almost took the weather vane off of the old milk barn behind my parent's house. I climbed up on the roof and only one nail was still holding it. Grabbed my hammer and tried to pull it out...wasn't budging. Grabbed a short crowbar (all I had access to) wouldn't budge. Ended up cutting the stupid nail so I could get the weather vane. Barn was built in the late 40s, I guess the nail had become one with the pine lumber used to build the barn.