I figured out what it was, nothing wrong with the @! feedhorn in the first place, I wasted time on the ladder for nothing lol. The receiver had a brain dysfunction Sunday, turned off lnb power in every satellite setting, I reloaded firmware, deleted all channels, but the tps were still there. I didnt blindscan that sat, just did a tp scan>it scanned in channels, but with the PIDS of 8131 for both audio and video-hence it was getting nothing, but the tp scan did work on Altavision. had me scratching my head lol, until I figured out the pid thing and deleted the bad tp. These things can sure throw a curve once in a while.