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mike123abc
The problem is that they (AT&T and VZ followed) have set the price of $10/GB. There seems to be no move/competition to try to undercut anyone on it. You either pay $10/GB or throttle with the lone holdout of Sprint. Perhaps if Sprint gains enough traction there will eventually be some movement on the price per GB, but I would bet that Sprint ends unlimited before the other give in.

Per GB rates need to get down to around $1-$2 to be reasonable. Considering they cost the providers around 10-25 cents, it would still be an impressive markup. So, charge $30 for the first 3 then have a low per GB rate after. This would be much more in line with the EU. Considering some country EU plans range from unlimited for $10 or less per month, to less than an euro per GB. The US is becomming one of the most expensive markets for wireless, probably because the market is controlled by 2 companies that do not want to compete.
steve4810
The problem is that they (AT&T and VZ followed) have set the price of $10/GB...
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...Per GB rates need to get down to around $1-$2 to be reasonable. Considering they cost the providers around 10-25 cents, it would still be an impressive markup. So, charge $30 for the first 3 then have a low per GB rate after. This would be much more in line with the EU. Considering some country EU plans range from unlimited for $10 or less per month, to less than an euro per GB. The US is becomming one of the most expensive markets for wireless, probably because the market is controlled by 2 companies that do not want to compete.
Two points here.

First, a lot of European communication companies are either government controlled monopolies or directly government subsidized or owned. And we all know how well the European economic model is doing. So I'm not considering their pricing in a search to find a fair price.

Second, free market capitalism rewards more profit and punishes less profit. Therefore if you have a limited product or service the only way to make sure your not leaving money on the table is to raise the price until you can't sell the last unit or gigabyte. And that is the fair price.

This makes magic happen as new capital goes to the first person who presents business plan that can create the same product or gigabyte and can sell it for less and still make a satisfactory return on investment. And this means the fair price goes down. Which means it will be affordable to more people,which means more is produced increasing the the whole economy's gross national product.

Capitalism. I get choked up just writing about it.:)
DodgerKing
Two points here.

First, a lot of European communication companies are either government controlled monopolies or directly government subsidized or owned. And we all know how well the European economic model is doing. So I'm not considering their pricing in a search to find a fair price.

Second, free market capitalism rewards more profit and punishes less profit. Therefore if you have a limited product or service the only way to make sure your not leaving money on the table is to raise the price until you can't sell the last unit or gigabyte. And that is the fair price.

This makes magic happen as new capital goes to the first person who presents business plan that can create the same product or gigabyte and can sell it for less and still make a satisfactory return on investment. And this means the fair price goes down. Which means it will be affordable to more people,which means more is produced increasing the the whole economy's gross national product.

Capitalism. I get choked up just writing about it.:)
+1

Ultimately it is this free market system that will either force ATT to change it policies, which it has slightly, improve its infrastructure to meet the new demands, or begin to see a decline in profits due subscribers leaving to pursue better options and/or better service.

When I get frustrated with them, that is me as a consumer in our free market decision choosing for myself what is best. And hoping they get the message that they are upsetting their customers and will change accordingly. If not, then me in our free market system where I have choice and other options will freely choose to exercise those other options. They may not be the perfect options, but they are better in the areas that concern me. The last thing I want is the government coming in and forcing them to abide by standards and subsides them, thus making every company more or less the same.
TheForce
steve- I was just about to post what you did. Last I read the effective tax rate in France was 75% for average wage earner while the effective rate here is about 25% for those who do pay taxes. about 10% for those who don't pay income tax ( 55% ) but tax on everything else. You are spot on with the concept of comparing our private held company rates with those that are subsidized by their government it is not a fair comparison. Probably when you crunch the numbers it all comes out the same.

Mike- where did you pull that cost per GB from? ( 10 to 25 cents ) How was that number determined? I was about to look in the SEC filings 10K report but figured I'd ask you first.

A good way to see if the companies are making a fair markup, may be to look at their overall earnings reports and see exactly how profitable they are. If marginal, then drastically lowering one of their profit centers as you proposed could put the company severely in the red, halt all build out of the network to full capacity, and kill the incentive for investors to put their money in the company's future growth. I suspect that once the LTE build out is complete and has a year or two of amortization under their belt, the cost will come down, but the investment debt needs to be paid first.
steve4810
steve- I was just about to post what you did.
Wow. Your weekend must be about as exciting as mine. Do you troll all the forums? I just got started on this form a few weeks back when I got my tablet. Otherwise I'm just a Dish and Bar & Grill lurker.
mike123abc
Unfortunately the US does NOT have a free market on the cellular phone business. If you were a billionare like lets say Charlie Ergan that decides he wants to be in the cell phone business, you cannot just start up a company and start competing. Look at how many years and plays it has taken him to get some spectrum that may eventually be allowed to be used for cell phones. You pretty much have to buy one of the existing companies since they have all the spectrum. AT&T sits on its spectrum and tries to buy out the competition.

AT&T knows that they really only have to compete with VZ, and they know that VZ is not really interested in undercutting them. Sprint has tried and AT&T and VZ have somewhat matched most of what sprint has done. Sprint now has committed so much money to the iPhone that they will not be able to afford lowering prices for a while. T-Mobile has been looking for a way out of the US market for a while. They have not been really commited.

I agree if we had a truly open market we would have much better competition, and AT&T would have a lot lower data rates. But, for now we have a government granted douopoly, that will continue to buy as much spectrum as possible to keep competitors at bay, even if they end up sitting on it.
truckracer
i agree but there is one thing everyone can do....quit giving att your money!
Neutron
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Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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Rest in peace. Wow, so many good roles, but Jean Luc Picard will always be my favorite...
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R.I.P.
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Rest In Peace
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R.I.P., Jean-Luc.
BlackHitachi
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

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Next 3:10 to Yuma
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Last: The Social Reckoning. Spoiler alert, they make Zuck look like a...
Foxbat
Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
"MysteryMan"
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Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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I loved it when Rodney was on the Tonight Show...
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if you had the wrong Subject or the wrong YouTube link.
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Was a Don Rickles fan. I've dvr'd most of his appearances on Carson from the antenna tv replays.

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More Dangerfield rapid fire on Carson.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEQFHQHHhU
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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I guess America can't afford 10 year autoloans
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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Scott Greczkowski
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Don in CT
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
Scott Greczkowski
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
12 minutes after the patch was release I had it patched. :)
Foxbat
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
Yeah... that was me...

I did another security update and it required me to reboot the server.

I also did a patch for something else and accidently put two ;'s in the config file so when the server rebooted it wouldn't restart a service because of the extra ; in the config file.

And of course as I did it my step dad called me slowing me down in figuring it out.

That was a Scott mistake. Sorry about that.
navychop
OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

Aww- nevermind.

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TheForce
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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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harshness
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
comfortably_numb
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
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Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
Foxbat
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
I'd probably say when they came up with their M-series of processors with integrated memory. That allowed Apple to get away from the inefficient Intel CPUs that were limiting their notebook computers.
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Gary Toma
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 28 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 28 2026 vs Oct 21 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 15 TID 12 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 13

2 Previously unused Transponders with current APG records::
Net 0 TID 28 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 29
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
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1449​
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SD mpeg4​
144​
-1​
194​
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SD mpeg2​
434​
1​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
A few remaps
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:
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ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530
coolman302003
Monday 11/2 is a full slate for NBA League Pass as all 30 teams are playing and 14 out of 15 total games are on NBALP. Only one national TV game on Peacock/NBCSN (Thunder @ Cavs).

DirecTV is even having to use several MLB EI channels (from 745-748) and a NHL CI (770) channel to fit all of them in the guide close together. 5 games at 7:30 ET, 3 games at 8 ET, 2 games at 8:30 ET, 1 game at 9 ET, 3 games at 10 ET. Luckily NHL CI is light on Monday (3 games on CI).

DirecTV is providing both broadcast feeds for all League Pass games except Hornets, Magic, Bucks & Raptors that night. These are all teams that have local broadcasts via a OTA channel which is on spotbeams and have streaming deals (DTC) that are not exclusive DAZN teams which DirecTV just signed a deal with (à la Spurs, Grizzlies, Cavs, Pacers & T'Wolves). Its also very common that we don't get Raptors broadcast very often from TSN or Sportsnet Ontario on League Pass.

11/2/26 (MON) EASTERN7:00 PM7:30 PM8:00 PM8:30 PM9:00 PM10:00 PM
Peacock/NBCSNThunder @ Cavaliers
NBA League PassNonePistons (745) @ HornetsKings (755) @ Mavericks (756)Celtics (760) @ Rockets (761)Trail Blazers (764) @ Nuggets (765)Suns (769) @ Warriors (770)
Hawks (746) @ Pacers (747)Pelicans (757) @ Grizzlies (758)Jazz (762) @ Spurs (763)Raptors @ Clippers (766)
Nets (748) @ Knicks (751)Bucks @ T'Wolves (759)Heat (767) @ Lakers (768)
Wizards (752) @ Magic
Bulls (753) @ 76ers (754)
*No Hornets, Magic local broadcasts*No Bucks local broadcast*No Raptors local broadcast
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Only the Knicks, Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Warriors, Avalanche, Sharks and Bruins feeds will be using remaps of 24/7 RSNs that night. The rest will be relying on the part time feeds, including the Nuggets, Blackhawks and Kings who will be on their alt/overflow channels, and MSG Western NY will be live on channel 635-1 to carry Buffalo area ads during the Knicks game.

The NHL Network alternate will be live on channel 215-1 with Red Wings @ Panthers for those blacked out of Golden Knights @ Bruins on the main feed.

The Thunder @ Cavaliers game will be on one of Peacock Game Pass channels that night for commercial customers, they'll also have the back to back U-Conn Women's and Men's Basketball. One of the part time feeds will also be in use for WWE Raw via Joe Hand promotions.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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Almighty1
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
long_time_Dish
Take It Easy - The Eagles
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Take It as It Comes - Steve Winwood
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Take The Money and Run - Steve Miller Band
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Run Joe -- Louis Jordan and his Tympany Five
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meStevo
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Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

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KAB
Not in a hurry to watch it this time.
K
Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
meStevo
One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

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meStevo
Renewed for season 5.
K
Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!