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Hello!

I'm new to this forum, but I recently went through a unique installation experience, and wanted to get some feedback from the experts.

I currently have Comcast TV, works as would be expected on all cable jacks within my home. I ordered Dish with one Hopper, two Joeys, and a slingbox. The technician showed up to start the install, and after walking around and looking at the house he ultimately said that he could not install the system because he didn't have appropriate access to the cable lines he needed. I ended up having to cancel my order, and continue with my Comcast service.

I'll explain what we ran into as best I can.

All the cable in my neighborhood is underground, my house was built in 1988 but I just recently purchased it. It is a two-story house with a finished basement. On the outside of the house there is a cable line coming up from the ground that connects to a two-way splitter that is attached right to the siding. One of those lines connects to another two-way splitter that is connected to the siding. The resulting three cable lines all run into the house at a location that would be in the basement and near where the electricity comes in. That is all that is visible from the outside.

On the inside, the only access to view the area that the cable comes into the house at is at the electrical box. The box is in a 'cabinet' type of enclosure behind the drywall, so using a flashlight you can see about 6-8" to the right and left of the electrical box. Where the three cables should be coming in to the basement, there is only one cable visible that comes in to the basement and goes up through the floor to the main level. No other cables were visible, and there was no real access to that cable, you could just see it from behind the drywall going up.

There are no other visible cable lines in the entire house. There are no junction boxes or access to any cable at all other than what I described above (and except what you could obviously get to at the jacks). The installer said the only option he had was to run cable all over the outside of my house and punch holes in my exterior walls in each room we wanted a hopper and/or joey. That wasn't going to fly, so my only option was to cancel the order.

Does anyone have thoughts on this experience? I recently moved out of a house that was built in the late 1800s and I was hoping that I wouldn't run into these "unique" situations anymore, but it appears I can't outrun them!
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J
Good replies, thank you! I actually got the year built wrong, it was 1992 - not that it makes any difference for what we're discussing (old wiring). I wasn't intending the topic to be focused on the fact that the technician didn't install the service - he sure tried! Spent about an hour walking around the house with me trying to find any alternatives to punching holes through my siding in 3 places. He didn't recommend running the new wires around the outside of the house either. So we came at a mutual decision that it was best to cancel the install.

Eventually it seems like I will need to rerun wires (and I would love to have wired ethernet as well) but with a fully finished basement, I just don't see how I'll get the wall access I'd need to do that work.

There does appear to be a pvc pipe that I can see in one of my air returns on the main floor (it's high up on a wall). The pipe runs from the basement up to the top floor (maybe to attic?) but I don't appear to have any access to either end of that pipe.

Gonna have to just spend some time meticulously going over how they did this :)
navychop
I have a trilevel and roof mounted dish and OTA antenna. Upstairs I drop from the attic. I have room next to my main air duct and have run coax down and RJ45 UP. Bottom two levels are wired thru the crawlspace There are a few holes drilled thru 2x4 baseplates. And a patched bit of drywall here and there. Fios modem and patch panel are mounted under the stairs in the lowest level, the laundry room.

No coax outside the walls, save for an old Cox Cable run. I HATE coax hanging outside, screaming the work was done the easy way, not the right way.

I thought ahead and put 2 sat & 1 OTA coax, and at least 2 Ethernet drops, almost everywhere. Operative word here is "almost.". Sigh. I'll still be running more.

It really isn't hard. But it helps to be a contortionist.
TheKrell
You and I wired our houses much the same way. ;) Except I pulled only one coax and one Ethernet cable per room.

No coax outside the walls, save for an old Cox Cable run. I HATE coax hanging outside, screaming the work was done the easy way, not the right way.

It also screams, "I'm really ugly; look at me!"
Dishman1978
TheKrell said:
You and I wired our houses much the same way. ;) Except I pulled only one coax and one Ethernet cable per room.

It also screams, "I'm really ugly; look at me!"

It also screams: " I was too cheap to pay soneone to do the work, i took the free standard install!".

Lol
king3pj
It also screams: " I was too cheap to pay soneone to do the work, i took the free standard install!".

Lol

I took the free standard install and it doesn't bother me one bit. The installer did a great job and secured all wires behind an overhang that comes off the edge of my roof. The duo node is out of sight on the bottom side of a part of my second floor that juts out about 2 feet past the first floor below it. He ran the cables down from the roof in a seam in my siding.

It is almost impossible to see any cabling without pressing your back up against the wall and looking straight up to the roof. Yes he drilled a couple holes in my wall but he put jacks on the inside and made everything look nice. I don't think the added benefits of paying someone to fish cables through the walls would be worth the cost in my case.

I can understand it if people don't want holes drilled in their walls or cables hanging around the outsides. You definitely should want your house to look nice. The free installation can look pretty good if you get a good installer though.
Dishman1978
king3pj said:
I took the free standard install and it doesn't bother me one bit. The installer did a great job and secured all wires behind an overhang that comes off the edge of my roof. The duo node is out of sight on the bottom side of a part of my second floor that juts out about 2 feet past the first floor below it. He ran the cables down from the roof in a seam in my siding.

It is almost impossible to see any cabling without pressing your back up against the wall and looking straight up to the roof. Yes he drilled a couple holes in my wall but he put jacks on the inside and made everything look nice. I don't think the added benefits of paying someone to fish cables through the walls would be worth the cost in my case.

I can understand it if people don't want holes drilled in their walls or cables hanging around the outsides. You definitely should want your house to look nice. The free installation can look pretty good if you get a good installer though.

Im not disagreeing with you, i was cracking a joke. Some people are ultra picky and want to see no cables at all and hide the dish. Sometimes those things are not feasable without adding alot of extra time. Extra time the installer is not compensated for.

So technically a free install is the easiest route, sometimes it can bedone to look like no one was even there, sometimes it cannot. I try my hardest to make every job look "pretty" within the installation guidelines i must follow.

Sounds like he did a wonderful job.
J
There does appear to be a pvc pipe that I can see in one of my air returns on the main floor (it's high up on a wall). The pipe runs from the basement up to the top floor (maybe to attic?) but I don't appear to have any access to either end of that pipe.

Be careful of doing anything with that PVC pipe in the air return. You don't want to run cables through your return. If the pipe goes into the basement concrete floor, then it more likely used for venting or radon mitigation. Normally when a PVC pipe is installed for cabling, it is easily accessible both in the basement and attic.

I'm surprised that the installer couldn't mount the dish, and then hide the cable along your gutters and eaves. It would certainly be a lot easier than trying to fish cables especially if you can't find a pipe chase. Do you know how your existing telephone cabling is feed to any rooms on the second floor?
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Another One Bites The Dust - Queen
Bobby
Oh Susanna, Dust off the Old Pianna - Ozzie Nelson & His Orchestra
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Garden Party - Ricky Nelson
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Safe In My Garden - The Mamas & The Papas
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osu1991
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:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.
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vazhog
that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
Foxbat
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
harshness
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit?
Because health care shouldn't be a political issue?
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that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -
what about the welfare kings and queens :rolleyes:
osu1991
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
I didn't start it as a political statement and have no interest in the political BS of this country. Everyone wants to make everything political nowadays. This was just my rant over the outrageous increase in my premiums and how unaffordable healthcare is becoming to the average person here.

admin can close or delete it if they don't want here.
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Bobby
Why isn't this Political thread over in the Pit? This is why there is a Pit, and why I rarely use the Chit Chat Club. But someone said, "The Pub is Elitist since you have to pay dues to enter, so please post in the Chit Chat forum so more guests can read and participate."
There are no dues to be paid to be in the Pit. You just have to use the password which is clearly shown when you try to log in to it.
T
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I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.
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Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.
navychop
Ungood.
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What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
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navychop
Tell Alexa verbally what to do.
snissen
What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?
I stand up from my chair with my glass in one hand and my plate in the other, when a story I really want to hear comes on the TV. So I say, "Alexa, pause DISH", and it waits for me to return from the kitchen, at which time I say, "Alexa, resume DISH".

Or maybe, when I return with a full glass in one hand and a new plate in the other, I realize I forgot to pause to hear this good story from its start. So I say, "Alexa, skip DISH backwards 3 minutes", and I still get to catch the whole story.

I use this every day. Or until I acquire a third hand.
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
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I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
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dishstaller
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
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Scott Greczkowski
I figured some of the guys would be looking here for an answer. You'll need to use this link

I'll mention what happened over there. I don't want to cause Scott any issues or put him in a bad spot.
Now I have to go check out what happened now. Lol!
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Scott Greczkowski
Went and looked, not too bad...

Just let people know the address is satelliteretailer.com as DishRetailer.COM is not working. :)
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(((Garyd)))
If any of you know some of the guys from the board and you have their contact info, please reach out to them....many failed to update their contact info and some even had starband email addresses.
Your old link triggered my Bitdefender today.
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ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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Almighty1
Bruce
News about the tower's dispute-

comfortably_numb
News about the tower's dispute-


So does this mean the churches and businesses that Dish owes back payments to are going to get paid now?
nelson61
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They note that the Dish Wireless radios at issue support the 2GHz and 800MHz spectrum SpaceX is acquiring from EchoStar and Grain.

"Buying compatible equipment already installed on towers could give SpaceX a head start on its wireless terrestrial network build and throw a big bucket of cold water on Verizon's four-to-six-year timeline and $300-$500 billion estimate for SpaceX's buildout," said the analysts."
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
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Bobby
Regular$5.699​
Premium$6.199​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
osu1991
Was just out running errands and saw $3.69 at most places
dfergie
$4.04 most places, Diesel $5.85...