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TvMind

Last reply Oct 9, 2012 · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support

GEOSATpro Can no longer receive RTV on 87 and 137 W - HBCD modulation No Signal !

I've lost all dvb-S2 signals on 87 W (those listed on Lyngsat/ Mike Kohl). The signal quality is zero and the info says "HBCD" modulation/ By source (resolution).
Both on 87 and 137 W. DVB-S signals are fine i.e 360 North and Alaska nets. I checked the signal , DVB-s that is, on a second unit and they are decoded fine. I did the usual reloading of firmware and reboot procedure but nothing helps. Another "clue" is that the RTV feeds have erratic signal quality - by that I mean they bounce back and forth between 35-70 on the Quality meter (one of these days somebody is going to have to explain to me the difference between signal and quality). The DVB-S signals are solid, don't waver on the same satellite. Again this is an issue with RTV only, other DVB-S2 signals i.e NHK Japan on PAS 9 is solid 70 (Q). Has anybody else experienced this problem ? It also seems to improve as the unit warms up so I suspect a thermal problem somewhere. A possible related question is the weak 83 W (AMC-9) RTV ku signals.. I peaked my 10' this summer -spent two months meticulously getting everything as best I can. The only other change I made was getting a newer Corotor II plus Wideband (Int'l) with the dielectric plate integrated in the feedhorn. Now I know this adds some loss 1 db from what I've read , but it seems that I lost 3db or more.
New ribbon cable, new lnbs' (NJR ku 950 khz LO stabilty <---- could this be the cause of the 'wavering DVB-S2 RTV signals ?). Also Metv is gone from Anik , same issue "no signal and modulation says HBCD, by source resolution". Also the ku reception is now very fussy on the motor actuator, one or 2 units and the signal disappears. I have a feeling it's this 'fussy' new Corotor. I was going to buy a regular, non-international one but this one was on special - but I never imagined it would cause such troubles as it has. Oh one more thing, I did a blind scan on 137 W and received RTV alternate set there, (not listed on Lyngsat btw) so I am lucky. I'd like to get back my strong ku signals on 83 W so that I could record the older DVB-S signals on the Pioneer DVR. I know I could setup a separate dish fro ku, but I used to have them fine on my SAMI 10' footer for years.

I have a sneaking suspicion that RTV symbol rates or something is causing this GEosat to freak out. Can anyone else chime in here and share their experience ?
Btw I added coaxial composite video and stereo audio jacks to the back of the unit - and no no I didn't mess things up inside - I'll post pics if anyone is interested. I also added a copper grounded plate underneath and moved the unit far away from the set, that helped a bit with the RFI interference but I'm still not satisfied. Yes I will come out of the dark ages and get HD tv but liek I said I'm only doing this for classic tv (480i).

cheers,

TvMind

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rv1pop

Oct 3, 2012

This may be a dumb answer/comment --- dielectric plate ... in the feedhorn.... it that not for circular signals??

primestar31

Oct 3, 2012

rv1pop said:
This may be a dumb answer/comment --- dielectric plate ... in the feedhorn.... it that not for circular signals??

Yes it is, and it cuts down the signal quality by 1/2 or more. So, that's just enough to make receiving S2 signals problematic. S2 is hard enough to receive when everything is perfect, much less using a feed that's not even made for regular American FTA sats. That plate can be removed, even if it's one of the ones built in I've heard of people tearing it out.

TvMind

Oct 7, 2012

primestar31 said:
Yes it is, and it cuts down the signal quality by 1/2 or more.

According to Chaparral the loss is closer to 1 db, not half or 3 db as you mention. Now I'm not crazy enough to 'tear' out the dielectic slab without damaging the antenna probe.
RTV on ku is weak, and it's SD not HD (S2). How much loss does the feedhorn cap contribute ? I'll pop it off and see. I've seen some commercial installations that leave them off despite the bug warnings.

TvMind

Oct 7, 2012

Hi Blind,

Thanks for chiming in here. No limbs or obstructions here for that satellite. No I don't have another HD box to try. I was really keen about the new Traxis but everybody (dealers) are telling me to stay away...hmm. No the 'bouncing signal' is a Geosat DVB-S2 issue, the standard DVB signals say on 137 W (Alaska nets) are all solid ! So disappointed with this HD stuff, especially since it's totally unnecessary (480interlaced) for classic tv shows.

primestar31

Oct 7, 2012

TvMind said:
According to Chaparral the loss is closer to 1 db, not half or 3 db as you mention. Now I'm not crazy enough to 'tear' out the dielectic slab without damaging the antenna probe.
RTV on ku is weak, and it's SD not HD (S2). How much loss does the feedhorn cap contribute ? I'll pop it off and see. I've seen some commercial installations that leave them off despite the bug warnings.

Ok, I think you misunderstood me. I don't believe Chaparral in this case, because a dielectric plate inserted in a feedhorn to convert to circular signals is going to lose 3 db minimum, because it cuts 1/2 the signal level. That's just how they work, and you can't beat physics no matter what you think. A 3db loss is about the same as using a 7~ foot dish, instead of a 10 foot dish.

Maybe they can calculate a 1db loss in a perfect world, with a 20 foot dish where there's so much gain to start with or something, but it's false advertising to say there's only a 1db loss in every situation. Even so, 1 db equals a 26% signal loss in a perfect world.

If you still insist on trying for circular signals, Google "c band waveguide polarizer".

TvMind

Oct 9, 2012

No absolutely, you can't argue with physics. So has anybody tried this, removing the dielectric I mean without damaging anything ?
I only went for this international feedhorn because it was on special and was practically new, if I knew it was going to cause such a significant loss and all the added grief I would plonked down the extra dineros and bought a regular Corotor II Plus.

Thanks Primestar for your sensible comments here.

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meStevo

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Last reply 15 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 6:19 PM

I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

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rvvaquero

Yesterday at 9:00 PM

Foxbat said:
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

www.colts.com

Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.

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Mike0616

Yesterday at 9:35 PM

Foxbat said:
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Colts relieve general manager Chris Ballard of his duties

Colts Owner & CEO Carlie Irsay-Gordon released a statement Monday announcing the news.

www.colts.com

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 11:25 PM

Jeeez, Week 6, no lead is safe…

b4pjoe

15 minutes ago

rvvaquero said:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.

Yes the Cowboys owner needs to fire the general manager (himself), co-owner, Chief Operating Officer (COO), Executive Vice President, Director of Player Personnel, and President of AT&T Stadium (his son) and then he should jump off of a cliff. Only then can they recover.

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Therm

Last reply 51 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishdude

Friday at 2:51 PM

I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

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Therm

Friday at 3:39 PM

dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"

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navychop

Friday at 3:53 PM

"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"

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Tampa8

Friday at 4:01 PM

Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.

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scoob83

51 minutes ago

Therm said:
I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

I think most are using it on a firestick or other device as an extra receiver, rather than their phone. Just a guess based on how I use it. 99% thru my firestick, 1% phone.

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dfergie

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reubenray

Yesterday at 1:30 PM

I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:47 PM

reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 3:54 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 8:36 PM

reubenray said:
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

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reubenray

Today at 7:35 AM

long_time_Dish said:
If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

Those are the episodes I am looking for. They are referred to a lot in the episodes I just recently watched.

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TVHabit

Last reply Today at 6:42 AM · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Hybrid Dish setup

Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...

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Brct203

Oct 13, 2026

would probably also work well for NHK on 101W and possibly for PBS on 99W. I used one for a while on 30W. Just keep in mind that because it's undersized for those satellites, it might work fine in clear weather but won't have much margin to account for signal degradation during rain/snow

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one_db_compression

Oct 13, 2026

If you can find one, the Shaw / Star Choice 75e ellipticals are great for use on 97, 99, and 101W. They are really just rebranded ChannelMaster 75 cm reflectors and use linear LNBFs by default out of the box.

Everyone else's mileage may vary.

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TVHabit

Sunday at 10:12 AM

I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...

Titanium

Sunday at 3:38 PM

Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
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k4otl

Today at 6:42 AM

To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:34 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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naptime

Sunday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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jsmit86

Yesterday at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.