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MDU

I'm a residential and commercial dealer of DirecTV and have a few questions concerning an MDU hookup that our account managers and technical team were unable to answer/confirm. I'm hoping someone here has some professional insight, or can point me in the direction of the right people to ask while I wait and wait for a callback from our technical departments.

Here is the situation:
My company is being sought after to provide DirecTV installations on a building in my downtown city area. The contracting company who owns the building will be selling off each condo individually when they are finished. They want the building wired solely for DirecTV, but they -do not- plan on treating it as a normal MDU. This means they will be managing the property, but they're not going to be responsible for operating or managing a single DirecTV account that provides for everyone in the building via monthly fees. Each condo owner will be responsible for their own contract/install with DirecTV through my dealership or national. All they want is the building wired and fully setup for DirecTV, nothing more.

With the final release of the Genie software and the C31 clients, I want to make sure I provide full capabilities to each condo unit so they do not miss out on anything DirecTV has to offer if they choose to sign-up.

Building Layout:
- 7 storeys with the top 4 floors being residential, bottom 3 being commercial. (We're installing a separate dish/wiring and dropping lines for the bottom 3 commercial floors for future use, but that's the extent of it - so not
part of the issue)
- 5 condo units per floor for a total of 20 with each unit having 3-5 total homerun outlets to a communication box inside condo's own communication room
- 1 line from each condos communication room that deadend at a private electrical room on each floor (Each electrical room is directly above the next with open conduits between all floors)
- Building is roughly 55x55ft and the top 4 floors being 60ft tall. (So the single longest run from dish to a receiver would be around 100ft)

These are my initial thoughts/plans and wanted to get some confirmation and make sure it's the right kind of setup to allow Genie, C31's, etc. to function properly so each condo/customer can utilize their own networks, etc.

1. SL5 dish, both additional dishes for internationals on roof with 6 lines dropped into electrical room of the top floor.
2. Lines into a PI-6S then to a SA-6AL to keep the flow strong
3. Have an MST-771 cascaded down to each floor that is wired into an FMC-6 with a SWM8 for each condo unit on each of the floors
4. 8-way splitters in each condo's communication room so each unit has a max of 8 tuners to play with

Two basic questions is will this setup accomplish what it needs to accomplish, is it correct. The last time we did a major setup was before SWM was around. Is there another kind of setup I can use that would be more beneficial or 'desired'?

Thanks much in advance.
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They want the building wired solely for DirecTV, but they -do not- plan on treating it as a normal MDU.

Thanks much in advance.

Not legal. As of just a few years ago, there can no longer be exclusivity in MDUs.
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Pull in an RG11 cable from ground floor electrical closet to the top floor electrical closet. That will be for the local CATV company, enabling them to provide service for those that prefer cable over satellite, as well as cable internet.

It would also be a good idea to pull in another RG11 from top to bottom, as there may very well be some who want only OTA.
dishcomm
Not legal. As of just a few years ago, there can no longer be exclusivity in MDUs.

Umm..The building owner can do as they please. It is their choice to to with whichever system or wiring layout they wish. The condo owners would have no recourse provided they were informed of the TV setup before they buy.
As long as all parties understand the terms, it's legal.
Does that stop each owner from gaining access to other providers? No. That would be a violation of OTARD.
Now, the association can place legal barriers to protect their property such as limiting dish placement to OTARD rules. Or preventing any penetrations in the building structure( for cable or other satellite).
dishcomm
Pull in an RG11 cable from ground floor electrical closet to the top floor electrical closet. That will be for the local CATV company, enabling them to provide service for those that prefer cable over satellite, as well as cable internet.

It would also be a good idea to pull in another RG11 from top to bottom, as there may very well be some who want only OTA.

They do not have to do that. The OP may do the work as contracted. He is under no obligation to other providers. The building owner and NOT Directv is making the contract for installation.
The OP need not be concerned with the other aspects of tv, POTS or broadband
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Umm..The building owner can do as they please. It is their choice to to with whichever system or wiring layout they wish. The condo owners would have no recourse provided they were informed of the TV setup before they buy.
As long as all parties understand the terms, it's legal.
Does that stop each owner from gaining access to other providers? No. That would be a violation of OTARD.
Now, the association can place legal barriers to protect their property such as limiting dish placement to OTARD rules. Or preventing any penetrations in the building structure( for cable or other satellite).

Ummm... Better check again. In October 2007, the FCC said they couldn't. The headline in the Multichannel News story read "FCC Bans Exclusive MDU Deals."[h=1][/h]
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They do not have to do that. The OP may do the work as contracted. He is under no obligation to other providers. The building owner and NOT Directv is making the contract for installation.
The OP need not be concerned with the other aspects of tv, POTS or broadband
The OP need not do anything at all. However, if he wants to have the interests of current and future residents in mind, he should take all things into consideration. Nobody wants to be forced to get their service through one provider and one provider only. Sure, OTARD says the building's owner can't prohibit them from putting up an antenna (includes dish antenna) on their exclusive property. However, if they do not have an unobstructed view of the southern sky, they would be forced to get their service from whomever the building's owner says they must. That is contrary to what the FCC (in 2006) and, subsequently, the U.S. Court of Appeals (in 2007) ruled.

You'd be surprised at how many people decide where they live based on the TV service available.
Tyralak
Not legal. As of just a few years ago, there can no longer be exclusivity in MDUs.

Yes there can. If a contract is signed with a provider, there can absolutely be exclusivity. There are some exceptions, of course. Normal OTARD rules apply. Dish on the balcony sort of thing, and providers such as AT&T who use their own existing infrastructure can provide service. There are two types of contracts. Exclusive and co-exist. Co-exist means just that. Other systems can be installed on the same property. Cable, Dish, DirecTV, etc. Exclusive mean exactly what I wrote in the first part of my post.
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From the Quote you posted.

Dealing a major blow to Comcast, Time Warner Cable and other cable TV operators, the Federal Communications Commission voted Wednesday to ban operators from cutting exclusive deals with owners of apartment buildings, condominiums and other multiple dwelling units.

The key word here is CABLE. Dish and directv are not CABLE companies. Neither is ATT, or Verizon.
digiblur
No need for an 8 way splitter. Splitter ports do not equal tuners. All depends on what is available on the SWM.

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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

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I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
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I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
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Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
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There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
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Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
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I just thought her behavior, including the bare feet thing, was disrespectful to her position.
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Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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They didn't sell many, they were pricey and not out long. Quickly got replaced by the Hopper.
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They were high-end specialty, somewhat buggy and the 612/622/722 just overwhelmed it in popularity.
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Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
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I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
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