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You all are behind the times... This is going to pass without any lobby from the satellite industry! WOW Charlie must not care anymore! :D Effectively this puts a 5 percent satellite tax "franchise fee" on your satellite bill in Illinois. Effective immediately once signed into law.

Happy New Years and Cheers!

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...GAID=11&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=65709&SessionID=84

Replaces everything after the enacting clause. Creates the Direct Broadcast Satellite Service Providers Fee Act. Imposes a fee on the act or privilege of providing direct broadcast satellite service to a subscriber or customer in this State at the rate of 5% of the provider's gross revenue. Provides that the proceeds from the fee shall be deposited into the Education Assistance Fund. Provides that the Act is operative on July 1, 2012, and applies to the provision of direct broadcast satellite service on or after that date. Effective immediately.
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B
"...Additionally, I want to see freeloaders (services) like Netflix, Blockbuster, Hulu, etc. start paying their fair share of sucking up massive gobs of bandwidth.
Those providers do pay their fair share. They have to pay for the bandwidth that their huge server farms are using to provide us with those services. If they pay more in taxes and fees they'll just pass that along to the end users. This bill hurts consumers and helps big government.
riffjim4069
Those providers do pay their fair share. They have to pay for the bandwidth that their huge server farms are using to provide us with those services. If they pay more in taxes and fees they'll just pass that along to the end users. This bill hurts consumers and helps big government.

...but they are not paying local franchises fees and taxes which, IMO, they should be paying like all other subscription video services. Just this past quarter 400,000 homes severed ties with cable/satellite in favor of alternative subscription video services like Netflix and Hulu. It's only a matter of time before these subscription services/customers start paying their fair share to ride public and private networks. Comcast, Cox and Time-Warner pay these fees and taxes, and Verizon FiOS and AT&T U-Verse pay these taxes...so Netflix, Blockbuster and Hulu customer should also pay them ~or~ level-the-playing field and stop requiring cable/telco customers to pay them. We all know the latter ain't gonna happen, and as more and more household terminate thier cable service the local governments will create other means and methods to fill their coffers.

I'm all for fewer taxes and smaller government...except, it's not fair that Netflix and the like are getting a free ride; tax 'em all equally or tax none equally. Anyway, as more people cut their ties with cable, you can bet your sweet bippy that state and local governments are going to pursue this issue with vigor. Additionally, as much as I hate this idea, it's only a matter of time before various government entities try to tax people on their Internet usage.

The way in which video service is being deliever to customers is changing...and how these services will be taxed in the future is going to change to keep up with the times.

Scenario: I watch episodes of NCIS and Criminal Minds, and rent four PPV movies through Comcast. I wind up paying cable franchase fees and taxes for these video services. Meanwhile, you terminate your Comcast account and signup with a new Streaming (IPTV) startup called Netflunks. You watch the same episodes of NCIS and Criminal Minds and download/view the same four PPV movies...and you pay nothing, nodda, nil, zip in cable franchise or taxes.

Q&A:

Q: Is it fair that I pay taxes while you don't for watching the exact same subscription based video services?
A: No, it is not...and there is no other interpretation.

Q: Do you feel the state/local govenments are going to stand by at watch thier taxes base is eroded?
A: No, cable fees are now going to be called video fees and viola !

Q: What about network abusers Top 5% of customers sucking up more than 50% of the bandwidth.
A: It will be assumed they are encrypting a great deal of video via SSL/VPN. I'm all for these bandwidth abusers being taxed at a much higher rate than 95% of normal users.
Y
I'm all for fewer taxes and smaller government...except, it's not fair that Netflix and the like are getting a free ride; tax 'em all equally or tax none equally. Anyway, as more people cut their ties with cable, you can bet your sweet bippy that state and local governments are going to pursue this issue with vigor. Additionally, as much as I hate this idea, it's only a matter of time before various government entities try to tax people on their Internet usage.
We are already taxed based on the internet package used. Besides, can they even monitor usage these days? AT&T threatened it at one point, but don't seem to be doing it. Additionally, there is the issue of interstate commerce. Internet companies transactions aren't taxed unless in a home state. The Federal Government would need to create a tax to cover the interstate sales. This would cover the likes of Amazon and Netflix.

Scenario: I watch episodes of NCIS and Criminal Minds, and rent four PPV movies through Comcast. I wind up paying cable franchase fees and taxes for these video services. Meanwhile, you terminate your Comcast account and signup with a new Streaming (IPTV) startup called Netflunks. You watch the same episodes of NCIS and Criminal Minds and download/view the same four PPV movies...and you pay nothing, nodda, nil, zip in cable franchise or taxes.

Q&A:

Q: Is it fair that I pay taxes while you don't for watching the exact same subscription based video services?
A: No, it is not...and there is no other interpretation.
Not when public infrastructure goes unaffected by the method of transmission. Poles, underground cables, trenches in roads affect public infrastructure. Sat TV does not. There is no reason why there should be a tax to cover those sorts of expenses. It'd be like charging a cyclist for miles on a road equal with a tractor trailer. If one wants to create an entertainment television tax, so be it, but that applies to all comers.

Q: Do you feel the state/local govenments are going to stand by at watch thier taxes base is eroded?
A: No, cable fees are now going to be called video fees and viola !
Oddly, state governments have been cutting taxes all by themselves, to the point of needless austerity. Local governments have been raising taxes to pay for stuff that the Fed and State cut funding for.

Q: What about network abusers Top 5% of customers sucking up more than 50% of the bandwidth.
A: It will be assumed they are encrypting a great deal of video via SSL/VPN. I'm all for these bandwidth abusers being taxed at a much higher rate than 95% of normal users.
Odd, how cable companies are for selling their uber speeds, yet at the same time are outraged at piracy... which is the only reason for getting 50 Mbps connections.
John Kotches
Odd, how cable companies are for selling their uber speeds, yet at the same time are outraged at piracy... which is the only reason for getting 50 Mbps connections.

Nevermind the rest of your post, this is asinine.

We have more and more devices using bandwidth at home that weren't around even 5 years ago. More and more functions are served by internet connections rather than local storage.

Many people telecommute and with the bandwidth intensive business environment, higher sped connections are necessary to handle the workload.

Pirates will pirate, regardless of their bandwidth available.




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Y
Nevermind the rest of your post, this is asinine.

We have more and more devices using bandwidth at home that weren't around even 5 years ago. More and more functions are served by internet connections rather than local storage.

Many people telecommute and with the bandwidth intensive business environment, higher sped connections are necessary to handle the workload.

Pirates will pirate, regardless of their bandwidth available.
Almost all households don't need more than 10 Mbps, and that includes two or three simultaneous streams.

Pirates would find it tedious to download blu-ray files on a 3 Mbps connection.
John Kotches
Almost all households don't need more than 10 Mbps, and that includes two or three simultaneous streams.

Then thank god you aren't in charge of allocating bandwidth. Check some actual required bandwidths on streamed connections sometime.

10 mbits is not enough when streaming HD on a single stream from available legitimate sources.

Pirates would find it tedious to download blu-ray files on a 3 Mbps connection.

Pirates will pirate regardless of bandwidth. They figure out ways around these limits. So this is a red herring.


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Y
Then thank god you aren't in charge of allocating bandwidth.
Yes, let us thank god.
Check some actual required bandwidths on streamed connections sometime.

10 mbits is not enough when streaming HD on a single stream from available legitimate sources.
Yes it is. According to Vudo, 5 Mbps will get you 1080p. So, 10 Mbps would be 2 streams... at least in theory.

Pirates will pirate regardless of bandwidth. They figure out ways around these limits. So this is a red herring.
You are mistaking hackers for pirates.
John Kotches
Yes, let us thank god.
Yes it is. According to Vudo, 5 Mbps will get you 1080p. So, 10 Mbps would be 2 streams... at least in theory.

Theory is theory, seldom does theory equal practice.

But just to play along, great 2 1080p streams from Vudu and you've now nailed down all 10 of your 10 mbits.

Now one of the kids needs to do something for a school project, and complains that the internet is extremely slow. It works, but there's so little of the 10 mbit left that other is impractically slow.

10 mbits doesn't cut it without pirating being part of the equation when you start adding streaming in. That you don't have the foresight to see this isn't my problem.

You are mistaking hackers for pirates.

I'm not confused on this. People that pirate will pirate. Going slower for the pirates that are out there is another variation on punishing the masses for the crimes of the few.






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mike123abc
Theory is theory, seldom does theory equal practice.

But just to play along, great 2 1080p streams from Vudu and you've now nailed down all 10 of your 10 mbits.

Now one of the kids needs to do something for a school project, and complains that the internet is extremely slow. It works, but there's so little of the 10 mbit left that other is impractically slow.

10 mbits doesn't cut it without pirating being part of the equation when you start adding streaming in. That you don't have the foresight to see this isn't my problem.

I have to agree 1 stream is about it for 10mbit. 2 streams really needs around 15 mbit.
J
You all are behind the times... This is going to pass without any lobby from the satellite industry! WOW Charlie must not care anymore! :D Effectively this puts a 5 percent satellite tax "franchise fee" on your satellite bill in Illinois. Effective immediately once signed into law.

Happy New Years and Cheers!

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...GAID=11&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=65709&SessionID=84

Replaces everything after the enacting clause. Creates the Direct Broadcast Satellite Service Providers Fee Act. Imposes a fee on the act or privilege of providing direct broadcast satellite service to a subscriber or customer in this State at the rate of 5% of the provider's gross revenue. Provides that the proceeds from the fee shall be deposited into the Education Assistance Fund. Provides that the Act is operative on July 1, 2012, and applies to the provision of direct broadcast satellite service on or after that date. Effective immediately.

Living in IL I can assure you the Satellite Lobby is fighting this bill hard! although frankly, this bill has been tried at least 3 times, and until they force Cable to service EVERY address in the state this bill will never pass through the State house.... reason being, too many downstate people (like me) that feel that hey we aren't using any cabling or licensing why should we pay for the cities that have cable... they may try but it's DOA
John Kotches
Living in IL I can assure you the Satellite Lobby is fighting this bill hard! although frankly, this bill has been tried at least 3 times, and until they force Cable to service EVERY address in the state this bill will never pass through the State house.... reason being, too many downstate people (like me) that feel that hey we aren't using any cabling or licensing why should we pay for the cities that have cable... they may try but it's DOA

Haven't read the temperature of the State House, but I wouldn't be too too surprised to see this pass. Mind you, I don't like the tax for their lack of use of infrastructure on the ground, but the state is hurting for revenue.

To add a tax to roughly 25% of the households (I think Direct + Dish market share is around that level) is an appealing source of revenue.
J
Haven't read the temperature of the State House, but I wouldn't be too too surprised to see this pass. Mind you, I don't like the tax for their lack of use of infrastructure on the ground, but the state is hurting for revenue.

To add a tax to roughly 25% of the households (I think Direct + Dish market share is around that level) is an appealing source of revenue.

I wouldn't be surprised either, however they'll have a LOT of negative advertising if they do, before I left EIU for Christmas Break the Champaign/Springfield stations were airing ads non-stop about the bill all in the negative for it.
John Kotches
I wouldn't be surprised either, however they'll have a LOT of negative advertising if they do, before I left EIU for Christmas Break the Champaign/Springfield stations were airing ads non-stop about the bill all in the negative for it.

Ads have nothing to do with the votes in the state house. It isn't a referendum, and the apathy of voters is monumental.


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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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MikeD-C05
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.
Scott Greczkowski
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH
I have the same wish.
S
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
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I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
can't forget the little blue m&m's
charlesrshell
can't forget the little blue m&m's
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
B
I have the same wish.
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
NYDutch
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.
T
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
T
But how is it reusable if it's disposable
S
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
dishstaller
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RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83


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This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.


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dishstaller
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Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.


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harshness
When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
dishstaller
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
Jimbo
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.
T
He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves
arlo
Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.


Opinions may vary.
harshness
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.
The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.
EarDemon
I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.
dishstaller
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.
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Ramy
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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College Football Playoff bracket, schedule, scores, rankings ...

The 2025–26 College Football Playoff concluded with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national championship by defeating the Miami Hurricanes 27–21. [1, 2, 3]

Playoff Results Summary
The 12-team playoff bracket featured the following key results across each round: [1]
    • First Round: Alabama defeated Oklahoma (34–24), Miami (Fla.) beat Texas A&M (10–3), Ole Miss topped Tulane (41–10), and Oregon defeated James Madison (51–34) at higher-seeded campus sites.
    • Quarterfinals: Miami (Fla.) upset Ohio State (24–14), Oregon shut out Texas Tech (23–0), top-ranked Indiana rolled past Alabama (38–3), and Ole Miss edged Georgia (39–34) across the New Year's Six bowls.
    • Semifinals: Miami (Fla.) advanced past Ole Miss (31–27) in the Peach Bowl, while Indiana dominant-defeated Oregon (56–22) in the Fiesta Bowl.
    • National Championship: Indiana secured the title with a 27–21 victory over Miami (Fla.) at Hard Rock Stadium. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Unfortunately, there was not rankings listed in this summary
AZ.
AZ.
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
Jimbo
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick
Y
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.
Jimbo
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.
Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ...:coco:(
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Bobby
Rest in peace. Together again with Spock, Doc, Uhura, and Scotty...
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Rest in peace, Checkov, and Bester too...
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Rest In Peace 😢
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