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Xizer

Last reply Jan 13, 2013 · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Eutelsat starts 4K demo channel

http://tbivision.com/news/2013/01/eutelsat-starts-4k-demo-channel/22252/

Satellite operator Eutelsat is launching a 4K TV demonstration channel.
Eutelsat will begin transmitting in 4K from today. According to the Paris-based operator, the channel is designed to benefit everyone in the broadcasting chain who wants to acquire expertise in 4K, including production companies, pay TV operators, rights owners and TV set manufacturers.
Eutelsat has teamed up with video compression provider Ateme to deliver the channel, which will be uplinked from its teleport in Rambouillet, Paris.
Eutelsat is launching the channel to coincide with the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, where 4K or Ultra HD is expected to be a key highlight, with a number of new Ultra HD TV sets beingshowcased by consumer electronics manufacturers.
The channel will operate in progressive mode at 50 frames per second, transmitting in the MPEG-4 format at 40Mbps in four Quad HD (2160p) streams.
"This new step towards 4K continues Eutelsat's longstanding commitment to achieving new broadcast milestones that over the last 20 years have included digital TV, HDTV and 3D," said Jean-François Leprince-Ringuet, Eutelsat's commercial director. "Early and close collaboration between all players in the broadcast chain will be a key success factor for this new revolution and so we are delighted to propose this first broadcast platform for Europe."

Ugh. Europe always gets all the cool stuff first. So jelly.

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Martyn

Jan 13, 2013

NHK's already transmitter Super Hi-Vision over satellite. That's 7,680 by 4,320 pixels, or so-called "8K." They bypassed 3D, saying 8K is so good it won't be needed, and will also ignore 4K too.

The picture is amazing, but it's only an occasional engineering test broadcast. Interestingly, most of the backhaul, including the 8K channels NHK produced for the BBC during the Olympics, were sent over academic IP networks (I suspect Internet 2).

I've seen it several times since 2002, and each time the camera, processing equipment and display system is a little smaller and better.

Last week at CES, I had the chance to speak to one of the engineers heading the project. The original plan had been to start ka-band satellite broadcasting in the format in 2020, but the Japanese government is pushing them to begin in 2016. They won't have the ka-band worked out, so it will likely be a domestic ku-band channel to begin with.

Although, something I've noted since moving to the U.S. is the high-def picture carried over cable here is vastly inferior to the HiVision signal all the Japanese networks put out. They maintain a very high technical quality of signal at something like 20Mbps over terrestrial, and more over satellite.

The signals coming over cable, which is what the majority of American homes watch, have many more compression artefacts and pixelation.

I don't hold out much hope for 4K if it's going to be compressed like current signals.

If they'd only drop some channels and free up space to transmit higher quality signals, current HD would look better, but that's a long discussion for another day.

olliec420

Jan 13, 2013

Martyn said:
Although, something I've noted since moving to the U.S. is the high-def picture carried over cable here is vastly inferior to the HiVision signal all the Japanese networks put out.

That's because the American public is fat and lazy and will accept anything you put in front of their face.

Xizer

Jan 13, 2013

Martyn said:
NHK's already transmitter Super Hi-Vision over satellite. That's 7,680 by 4,320 pixels, or so-called "8K." They bypassed 3D, saying 8K is so good it won't be needed, and will also ignore 4K too.

The difference between this, and NHK's tests, is that NHK used a completely proprietary environment, most likely encrypted. This 4K test feed sounds like it will be free-to-air, using the DVB-S standard, so any common European can tune in to it.

I would definitely like to see 3D 8K. I believe 8K is indeed the final resolution for home video before we move to some kind of futuristic resolution-less medium or holographic technology or something.

At over 33 million pixels it ought to be able to saturate human vision.

However, it is going to be quite some time before processing power and bandwidth catches up to 8K. I believe 4K is an important stepping stone to 8K, like 720p was a stepping stone to 1080p. 4K is just 8 million pixels. Leaping from 1080p's 2 million pixels to 4K's 8 million pixels is a much easier pill to swallow than leaping from 2 million pixels to 33 million pixels.

I think we are ready for 4K. Verizon FiOS, Google Fiber, and DOCSIS 3.0 cable products all have enough capacity to handle 4K video. DVB-S2 does too. 8K video would need a DVB-S3 standard or something.

All my current computer equipment can handle 4K with ease. Even my laptop has no problems playing back a 60 Mbps L5.1 H.264 4K test video I have (it actually uses less than 10% CPU or GPU usage when playing it back...)

8K though, I think would be a different story. Unfortunately I have been unable to locate 8K test material.

Although, something I've noted since moving to the U.S. is the high-def picture carried over cable here is vastly inferior to the HiVision signal all the Japanese networks put out. They maintain a very high technical quality of signal at something like 20Mbps over terrestrial, and more over satellite.

The signals coming over cable, which is what the majority of American homes watch, have many more compression artefacts and pixelation.

I don't know how accurate this is anymore. I have numerous HDTV recordings from Korean and Japanese channels. They all seem to be MPEG-2, just like us. WOWOW is the only one with a high bitrate of 20 Mbps, and they appear to be just as full of compression artifacts as our TV. FujiTV seems to be 9 Mbps H.264, NHK 13 Mbps MPEG-2, BS12 is 1440x1080 I think? So, really, Japanese HDTV isn't impressive at all right now, but I applaud NHK's initiative with 8K and I hope they are able to bring Japan back to the forefront of high definition television.

One thing that's very disappointing about Japanese TV is the audio seems to be stereo AAC at 192 Kbps most of the time. As I have tons of concerts from Japanese TV the inferior audio is pretty disappointing. American AC-3 5.1 audio @ 384-448 Kbps is definitely superior.

It is the Europeans who are the gold standard of HD right now. All their channels are H.264. Canal+ is 15 Mbps H.264; Sky Sports can go over 20 Mbps. This is quality similar to what we can only see on a backhaul here in North America.

I don't hold out much hope for 4K if it's going to be compressed like current signals.

Assuming the pathetic American television operators bitrate-starve 4K TV the way they do 720p/1080i TV, I think the crap 4K they push out will be a trojan horse for good "old" 2K HD because it ought to be on the level of good 1080p. Bitrate-starved 4K TV channels will at least have the benefit of finally bringing Blu-ray quality video to American TV.

All the cable providers could easily deliver 4K channels which aren't bitrate-starved by switching to an IPTV based system. (except AT&T and their pathetic U-verse product...) Surely you don't think they will be on QAM forever?

Martyn

Jan 13, 2013

Hey Xizer,

Xizer said:
The difference between this, and NHK's tests, is that NHK used a completely proprietary environment, most likely encrypted. This 4K test feed sounds like it will be free-to-air, using the DVB-S standard, so any common European can tune in to it.

Here are the specs, although Eutelsat notes that when 4K takes off it will likely mean the introduction of HEVC.

Watch Eutelsat's Ultra High Definition demonstration channel on EUTELSAT 10A at 10° East:
Frequency: 11304 MHz
Polarization: Horizontal
Symbol rate: 27500
DVB-S2
8PSK
FEC 2/3
Pilot ON

Xizer said:
I don't know how accurate this is anymore. I have numerous HDTV recordings from Korean and Japanese channels. They all seem to be MPEG-2, just like us. WOWOW is the only one with a high bitrate of 20 Mbps, and they appear to be just as full of compression artifacts as our TV. FujiTV seems to be 9 Mbps H.264, NHK 13 Mbps MPEG-2, BS12 is 1440x1080 I think? So, really, Japanese HDTV isn't impressive at all right now, but I applaud NHK's initiative with 8K and I hope they are able to bring Japan back to the forefront of high definition television.

The terrestrial channels are on ISDB-T, which splits the signal into 13-segments. Most terrestrial broadcasting uses 12 segments for the main signal and a single segment for direct to mobile broadcasts (hence the "One Seg" name). A 6MHz TV channel can carry 23Mbps, so a conventional 12-segment HDTV signal runs at a little over 20Mbps MPEG2. I think the One-Seg channel is H.264, but I'm not sure.

If you're watching recordings, it might be that they were recorded at that rate. The delivery into the home should be a high-bandwidth signal. I almost never saw any of the major networks splitting their 12-segments into chunks for additional channels (NHK's ETV, MX and Hoso Daigaku did regularly).

Satellite is a different matter. Each DBS transponder can carry a 52Mbps ISDB-S signal, which is split between two channels, so you have 26Mbps per channel in MPEG2 and the pictures look better. SkyPerfecTV channels are more compressed and don't look as good as the DBS stuff.

I don't know the equivalent calculations for ATSC because I haven't written in depth about, but I'd be interested to know what gets transmitted and what the average bandwidth of a high-def channel on Comcast. Perhaps it's the TV I have, but whatever the cause, I notice pixelation and digital artefacts around the edge of objects way more than I ever did in Japan.

Some channels are much better than others. Comcast mades Big Ten Network look horrible. A 16:9 picture letterboxed into 4:3 and compressed so much that when a player runs with the football, you can't really see what's going on. There's almost no point in them bothering, but I suppose it's more money and better than nothing for BTN fans.

As for Europe, I grew up with analog PAL and I still think those pictures were pretty nice

For 4K content, look at the announcement Sony made at CES. They're going to deliver 4K over Internet (download, not streamed) to Sony 4K sets. They're in an interesting position as the only consumer electronics company with native 4K content in-house. Kaz Hirai told me it would be restricted to Sony sets for the foreseeable future.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9235478/Sony_doubles_down_on_4K_resolution_technology

tdti1

Jan 13, 2013

I know Newtec is doing pretty neat things right now, not sure what equipment Eutelsat is using.
http://newproducts.newtec.eu/news/d...standing-500mbps-satellite-throughput-barrier

Xizer

Jan 13, 2013

I think Sony's 4K download service has potential assuming they go full hog and don't bitrate starve it like current 1080p download services. All I can say is it's about time someone makes use of our Internet connections.

Netflix's piddly little 5 Mbps 1080p streaming crap accounts for 10% of a typical 50 Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 connection's bandwidth capacity. Companies like Comcast and Cablevision are now offering 100+ Mbps connections. I have a Verizon FiOS with 150 Mbps... Time Warner Cable has already upgraded their 50 Mbps tier in Kansas City to 100 Mbps. They are testing 75 Mbps in Dallas, etc...

These are easily high enough to handle 4K bitrates. You could have an entire 4K movie downloaded within two hours on any modern cable connection. Right now the only way to use these connections to their full potential is via piracy because all the content providers are too busy catering to the lowest common denominator on the cheapest 6 Mbps DSL or cable package and ignoring everyone who is living in the modern world on a DOCSIS 3.0 or fiber connection.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley

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Dirty Diana - Michael Jackson

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Dirty Water - The Standells

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High Water - Rush

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Anony55

Last reply Today at 7:40 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Has Made it Impossible to be a VIP211k Owner

For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.

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Nebugeater

Dec 22, 2025

Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

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tparker

Sep 30, 2026

Nebugeater said:
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally

Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

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Nebugeater

Oct 2, 2026

tparker said:
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.

Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

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Anony55

Yesterday at 6:18 PM

Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.

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dishstaller

Today at 11:31 AM

Nebugeater said:
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion

Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

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Anony55

Today at 4:19 PM

dishstaller said:
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.

It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.

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telstar_1

Today at 5:37 PM

They tell you to trash it and not to sell simply because they're phasing them out, not particularly because someone might be "confused" into buying it and not be able to activate. They tell people that in every case where they're not acting to get a box back, either from a replacement or service cancel.

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Corrado

Today at 7:40 PM

Although my VIP211K hasn't been subscribed or connected to a dish in probably 5 years since canceling service, my 1 TB HDD full of programming still works fine.

Upon occasion I power it up to watch something I recorded as far back as 2010. The last time I had it going in September it even let me rescan the local OTA channels which I think it refused at some earlier time. I will use it until the day it fails but this topic makes me think some software download is responsible for current subscribers.

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zippyfrog

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 7:37 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

NBA League Pass

Has anyone subscribed to NBA League Pass for 2026-27 and try to link their account to NBA.com to stream League Pass? I purchased it for 2026-27, and when I linked, I got a message saying success, but then I receive an error that my linked subscription does not include the preseason games for NBA League Pass. Is that how it has always been? I know satellite doesn't have the preseason games on the NBA League Pass channels, but I thought that I was able to stream the preseason once I linked my account on NBA.com?

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zippyfrog

Wednesday at 4:54 AM

I found my answer...when I log into the NBA app on my phone and try to watch, it gives me a more clear answer that it acknowledges I have paid for NBA League Pass from Dish and it is linked, but I need an "upgraded" subscription to League Pass for the preseason games. So I guess it is by design that Dish does not show the preseason games on League pass and that the contract Dish has signed for league pass is explicitly for the regular season games. (I know the description for League Pass says regular season games, but I thought that was only by satellite and the preseason would have worked)

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Darrell S

Today at 7:37 PM

I plan on doing what I did last season. I ordered the more expensive arena feed version from the NBA website. It's worth it because you get to watch what's going on in the arena instead of just staring at the ad break slide on the Dish version. The main advantage to ordering from the website is you can go on a month by month basis and cancel if you get tired of it.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 6:20 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Yesterday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

Yespage

Today at 10:04 AM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

A 12 team playoff net should catch any undefeated team. The 12 team playoff also exposed that rankings suck. I mean, we kind of knew already that the rankings weren't particularly reproducible, but we now have the empirical evidence that the rankings suck because judging who is the best among a mickey mouse scheduled football season isn't a rational endeavor. So the 12 team playoff ensures most teams that should make it, do, including the mid-major undefeated team. 8 teams should be able to work as well, but puts greater risk at OSU and Alabama missing the playoff... can't have that.

Which is the run up to my main problem with the 24 team set up is that it is designed to keep the OSU's and Alabama's from missing the playoff. The cartels are ensuring widespread participation for their own cartels to increase the monetary reward to themselves. It is fixing the system while not fixing the outcomes, merely making the regular season game outcomes virtually irrelevant. Sure, a bye for winning the conference would be nice, but we've already seen that byes aren't that influential.

AZ. said:
We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

That is college football in a nutshell. Again, college football isn't about competition, it is about revenue. The entire setup is about making money, from regular season squash games against local jobbers like the WWF days to tax exempt bowl games.

And to add to the first world woes, the college football cartels have made being a College Football fan even more expensive... so they can get paid more.

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meStevo

Today at 6:20 PM

Jimbo said:
Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one

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Former member 209992

Last reply Today at 5:37 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

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Foxbat

Today at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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comfortably_numb

Today at 11:31 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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Not likely since that place closed down.

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Foxbat

Today at 5:37 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Not likely since that place closed down.

You're no fun.

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Therm

Last reply Today at 4:01 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?

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dishstaller

Today at 12:56 PM

I really dislike change for the sake of change

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dishdude

Today at 2:51 PM

I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

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Therm

Today at 3:39 PM

dishdude said:
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.

Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"

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navychop

Today at 3:53 PM

"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"

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Tampa8

Today at 4:01 PM

Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.

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Foxbat

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Last reply Today at 3:48 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

ncted

Today at 9:00 AM

KAB said:
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.

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navychop

Today at 2:31 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

ncted

Today at 3:45 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.

ncted

Today at 3:46 PM

navychop said:
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones

You should have looked in the APP STORE instead.

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navychop

Today at 3:48 PM

Will do!

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cpdretired

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 3:29 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.

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bnewt

Sep 23, 2026

Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:45 PM

bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

look again mine says free for 1 month

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Almighty1

Today at 2:13 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:02 AM

Almighty1 said:
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that

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Almighty1

Today at 3:07 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1

Today at 3:29 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
wonder why it says that

Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:

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Today at 2:23 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

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