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Former Orioles manager Earl Weaver passes away at 82

One of my all-time favorite managers in baseball.


RIP Earl
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R.I.P.
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R I P Earl, never a dull game with Earl managing.
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Weaver's relationship with Palmer had its friction, but plenty of respect
Palmer chokes up remembering his former manager, who died late Friday night

January 19, 2013|Peter Schmuck

For all the years that they did battle in the clubhouse or the sports pages or on the dais of some charity roast, Jim Palmer knew how Earl Weaver really felt about him. That's why he had to hold back tears Saturday when he related his favorite memory of the Earl of Baltimore — a memory made more poignant because it also involved his late teammate Mike Flanagan.

It was way back, on one of those balmy spring training days in Miami, when the Orioles were always one of the best teams in baseball and Palmer was their pitching ace. Flanagan, still figuring things out in his early 20s, was sitting on the bench next to Weaver. Palmer had just finished pitching five innings and was doing his sprints in the outfield....


"You see that guy out there,'' Weaver said.

"You mean Palmer,'' Flanagan replied.

"Just do what he does and you'll be fine."

Sage advice, but that's only half the story. Palmer ran into Weaver at one of the Hall of Fame induction weekends in Cooperstown, N.Y. a few years ago and recounted that anecdote, which Flanagan had shared with him during their many seasons together.

"I told Earl the story,'' Palmer said. "I told him, 'One of the biggest compliments you ever paid me was what you told Mike Flanagan.' He said, 'I didn't just tell Mike Flanagan. I told everybody.'"

Palmer's voice cracked at that point, and he brought his impromptu FanFest media session to an end, but not before it was clear how deep the emotions flowed beneath the fractious public relationship between the greatest pitcher in Orioles history and the franchise's greatest manager, who died late Friday night at 82.

The friction certainly was real. Weaver was a hard-nosed guy who was never afraid to say what he was thinking. Palmer was just as stubborn, and he seemed to enjoy getting under his manager's skin, needling about his height (he was 5-foot-7) and his unsuccessful playing career.

"The only thing Weaver knows about a curveball,'' Palmer once famously said, "is that he couldn't hit one."...



"Earl was a black and white manager,'' Palmer said. "He kind of told you what your job description was…he'd tell you 'This is what you needed to do.' If you couldn't do it, he'd get somebody else. I know that's kind of tough love, but I don't think anybody would describe Earl — other than his wife Marianne — as a warm and fuzzy guy....

If there is a bright side to the loss of such a beloved character, it is that Weaver got to spend a lot of time during the Orioles' surprising 2012 season soaking up the love of his former players and the Orioles faithful during the legends celebration series. He was there to see Brooks and Frank and Cal and Jim and Eddie — all of whom played under him — immortalized in bronze, and they were there to see their crusty Hall of Fame manager almost break down at the thought of being permanently honored on the center field plaza at Camden Yards...



Palmer, Weaver burn roast
Ex-pitcher's remarks irk old manager, who boils over at banquet

By Joe Strauss
Sun Staff
November 4, 2000

Usually described as a family feud, the long-standing give-and-take between Hall of Famers Earl Weaver and Jim Palmer became very public and very ugly Thursday night when the former Orioles manager said he was "embarrassed and humiliated" by Palmer's jabs during a charity roast of Weaver in Baltimore...

Participants said Weaver became increasingly tired and irritable as the event wore on and even interrupted other speakers from his seat when he thought their "tributes" dragged.

Weaver's patience finally broke after Palmer, the night's final speaker, administered his verbal daggers...


Garceau's introduction of Weaver brought the crowd to its feet but, according to witnesses, Weaver couldn't contain himself.

Weaver referred to Palmer as "some idiot" who "got up and insulted me beyond insultation." The crowd initially laughed, thinking it part of the program. However, laughter ceased when Weaver went on to call Palmer "an egotist" who often had little stomach for pitching with discomfort.

"He let us down many a time and now he's making fun of me. I don't appreciate it," said Weaver.

Weaver thanked those in the audience then added, "I don't appreciate some idiot who comes up to make fun of somebody because of his size or because of his physical abilities. I don't think I'll ever forgive the man for saying what he said here tonight. I really don't like it. As far as I'm concerned, as nice as this evening has been and as much as I've enjoyed it, he's ruined it for me. Thank you."...


Reached at his daughter's Baltimore home yesterday, Weaver told WBAL, "As far as I'm concerned, I told you it's over. When I said I would never forgive him, I will forgive him. That was said at the time. Again, I felt I had to say something to defend myself."

Weaver and Palmer have played these roles for years but never so publicly and with such toxicity. The two occasional golf partners even engaged in a humorous sparring match at the 1999 FanFest.

During Thursday's roast, however, Palmer referred to Weaver's alcohol-related driving infractions. "A lot of the state troopers ... in Maryland have been happy since Earl moved to Florida," he said.

Sitting next to Weaver, Flanagan and Garceau noticed a slow burn. "Jim's made Earl that mad before," said Flanagan. "This time, Earl didn't run with it."

"It was very unfortunate because these two men have such great respect for each other," Hendricks said. "They may say some negative things about each other, but they ultimately say each one is a class guy. ... When somebody said something negative about Palmer, Earl jumped them. And Palmer would always defend Earl no matter what happened the day before."
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Scott Greczkowski
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
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My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.
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Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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dishstaller said:
Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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Works every time. My wife needs one.
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dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
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Here's the one I need:
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Just ordered one....that's great.
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Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
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Bobby said:
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
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Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
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dishstaller said:
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
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On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
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Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:
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A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),
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Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.
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What's for dinner ?

Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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Beef and vegetable stew with buttermilk biscuits. Water.
It seemed appropriate on an unusually cold and wet evening in New Mexico.
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Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.
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I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.
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Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
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EV News

www.autoweek.com

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives
www.autoweek.com www.autoweek.com

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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Servant's problem.
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
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The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
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www.canarymedia.com

US EV sales are rising again. Here’s why the recovery is set to last.

Even though sales tanked last year after the end of federal incentives, the American EV sector is on the mend as drivers face sky-high gasoline prices.
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Microsoft Defender Arriving on Linux

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO_nW-BTlv4


Direct YouTube Link - Microsoft Defender Arriving on Linux
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed
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LIVE!

Time for another AWESOME video from Ham Radio 2.0!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDeuQ1SLkQU


Direct YouTube Link - LIVE!
Ham Radio 2.0 Website
Ham Radio 2.0 on Facebook
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
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Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
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Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
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That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
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That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
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Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
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... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
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Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
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Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
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You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
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Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
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I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
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I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.
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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

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There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
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This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
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Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:

www.eweek.com

Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”

An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.
www.eweek.com www.eweek.com
techcrunch.com

Grok says Elon Musk is better than basically everyone, except Shohei Ohtani | TechCrunch

According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.
techcrunch.com techcrunch.com
timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Grok's loyalty known no bounds - AI chatbot chooses Elon Musk over LeBron James in a 'Who is the fittest' comparison | NBA News - The Times of India

NBA News: Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, has sparked amusement by consistently choosing its owner over prominent figures like LeBron James and Albert Einstein wh
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www.nbcwashington.com

Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions

XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.
www.nbcwashington.com www.nbcwashington.com

In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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You invested in datacenters?
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You invested in datacenters?
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Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.
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This Week in Tech 1105

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JElsle_m2rE


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