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Last reply Mar 28, 2013 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Another failed Direct TV install

I'm at a loss. My neighbor FINALLY cut down all his trees leaving me with a perfect line of site (a reason why I couldn't go with Direct years ago. The installer came out and immediately talked about a roof install. I informed him I could not have a roof install due to my condo rules. I said it had to be a side mount. He told me he could not do a side mount with the brackets they supplied due to the fact that I had stuccoboard. He pulled out his bracket and showed me. I told him that was funny because Dish Network did my install TWICE and had no problem. I only cancelled because the tree growth got too bad. He told me that DTs satellites weighed more and therefor I should just stick with Dish Network. REALLY? He also proceeded to say thanks because he wasn't getting paid for the visit. I told him I informed the sales rep AND the customer service rep who confirmed my apt that I had a condo with written permission and that the install had to be done as a side mount. He said they don't get paid to make those decisions. I give up. I called DT to cancel and they wanted to schedule another appointment. Since I had to take time off work I said no way.

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mdram

Mar 20, 2013

my pole mount was free

ejb1980

Mar 20, 2013

mdram said:
my pole mount was free

So was mine. I know about 5 close friends with a pole mount. None of us paid for our installation.

Hutch1814

Mar 20, 2013

ejb1980 said:
So was mine. I know about 5 close friends with a pole mount. None of us paid for our installation.

Pole mounts are free now if its O&O or HSP. Up to 20 foot of cabling buried as well

dishcomm

Mar 24, 2013

Hutch1814 said:
Pole mounts are free now if its O&O or HSP. Up to 20 foot of cabling buried as well

What is "O&O"?

Jimbo

Mar 25, 2013

dishcomm said:
What is "O&O"?

Owned and Operated ...

But I don't see what that has to do with the current discussion ... unless it's something else in this instance.

twizt3dsist3r

Mar 27, 2013

If i was 1099 id be the same way, as a w2 employee a damage claim/lawsuit wouldnt be my problem so long as i had proper documentation in writing from the homeowner or landlord. But i think this topic got way off topic, i wonder if the op ever got installed?

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Joe Diamond

Mar 27, 2013

Jimbo said:
Owned and Operated ...

But I don't see what that has to do with the current discussion ... unless it's something else in this instance.

O/O could refer to the money. Contractors should make sure the customer knows Directv only pays for the things on the FREE list. Here the customer pays for the labor and material for the steel pole in concrete. Owner / Operator offices = Directv as an employer pays for materials and provides and employee to do the work. DTV, eats that cost; the customer get a FREE pole.

In this case I think the confusion is what "stucco" means. There is "hard wall" that has a stucco finish. While there is no asbestos issue, mounting a dish on it will really damage that kind of wall. Under the finish is a ply of rigid Styrofoam insulation board and below that is presswood sheathing. Stucco on a masonry wall is no biggie...a few whamcons will do it. Perhaps, now that O/O offices have discovered the cost of liability they back off on where they tell their employee-techs to hang dishes. Regardless of who pays, there will be damage mounting a dish on hardwall stucco.

joe

dishcomm

Mar 27, 2013

Joe Diamond said:
O/O could refer to the money. Contractors should make sure the customer knows Directv only pays for the things on the FREE list. Here the customer pays for the labor and material for the steel pole in concrete. Owner / Operator offices = Directv as an employer pays for materials and provides and employee to do the work. DTV, eats that cost; the customer get a FREE pole.

In this case I think the confusion is what "stucco" means. There is "hard wall" that has a stucco finish. While there is no asbestos issue, mounting a dish on it will really damage that kind of wall. Under the finish is a ply of rigid Styrofoam insulation board and below that is presswood sheathing. Stucco on a masonry wall is no biggie...a few whamcons will do it. Perhaps, now that O/O offices have discovered the cost of liability they back off on where they tell their employee-techs to hang dishes. Regardless of who pays, there will be damage mounting a dish on hardwall stucco.

joe

Most stucco construction here is a veneer on wood framing. Beneath the stucco coating is a mesh material which is attached to a sheathing. In this type of application there is a void between the stucco system and the actual sheathing of the house. This is where the issue lies. Penetrating the stucco can create water leaks. That is even if a sealant is used. Over time, the dish moves up and down, side to side from buffeting by the wind. The penetrations will become larger the sealant will fail.
The other issue of course is there just is not enough material behind the outer coating for a strong base for the lags bolts. It's a flimsy mount.And it is damned near impossible to hit a stud.

twizt3dsist3r

Mar 28, 2013

All in all its a pretty not good idea to do an install over stukko and OP is best off trusting dtv's judgement.

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Joe Diamond

Mar 28, 2013

twizt3dkitty said:
All in all its a pretty not good idea to do an install over stukko and OP is best off trusting dtv's judgement.

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Something like that,
What dishcomm described is hardwall without insulation.......but you don't want to hang anything on it either for the same reasons.
What I saw on my last Directv ride was tech from at least three different offices being sent into the same rural area. Most of these guys knew what they were doing. Within the herd were some real hacks who caused many damage claims. When these claims hit the installation companies they just closed up without paying techs (like me). These offices could not be sued. They had no money. Their owners left the state. The repairs were made. The customers were eventually happy. Techs were presented with all kinds of made up charge backs to hide the damage claims (best explanation I can figure).

So yes, avoid all but masonry attachments.....try to visualize what will happen when the dish comes down...how will the holes be patched and hidden. Also...do not attempt to make repairs to crappy work or you will be held liable for the damages.

Joe

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dfergie

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Stargate SG-1 Discussion

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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

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reubenray

Today at 1:30 PM

I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:47 PM

reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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reubenray

Today at 3:54 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

long_time_Dish

5 minutes ago

reubenray said:
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

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Mike0616 said:
They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!

Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.

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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."

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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

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Last reply Today at 5:53 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Saturday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Yesterday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:14 PM

dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

View attachment 194877

Just ordered one....that's great.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Today at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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navychop

Today at 5:53 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 5:05 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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HipKat

Today at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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AZ.

Today at 9:02 AM

Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?

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telstar_1

Today at 1:22 PM

HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

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Nominal

Today at 4:30 PM

telstar_1 said:
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.

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dishdude

Today at 5:05 PM

I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
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1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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Fanta orange soda.

Sitting in fridge cooling off, bought 1 along with 2 Mexican Cokes at La Tienda... (I keep a few cokes stashed as well as in fridge and camper fridge)

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