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[VOOM/DISH/OTA] Dishnet installation-4 orbital locations needed

Unlike some people's experiences with VOOM, Dish called several
times to confirm installation date and time period.
Here is a review of my installation.

The install went very well overall but it took quite some time it
seemed at 5 hours. The were DNS direct employees so they were very
good and they tried to explain a lot and accomodate me on Dish
placement to keep the neighbors happy. They installed a Superdish
for orbital positions 121, 119, and 110 and they installed a Dish
500 with a single LNBF for 61.5 which is where VOOM is.
There was some confusion because the work order didn't include a
DP44 switch which is needed for 4 orbital locations and the
installer did not bring one. One fellow showed up at 11:45AM and we
discussed the install. He only had a Superdish and no DP44 but he
wasn't aware of VOOM and did not know he would need it because even
though it was the "VOOM conversion center" I ordered from it was not
on the order.
Anyway, he called in and the supervisor said he would be there in an
hour to get started with the installation so they could close out
the work order today. Supervisor would bring the DP44 multiswitch.
They had never installed a DP44 before so I was the first VOOM
conversion in the area. They had a small amount of trouble with it
but got it working fine. They cleaned up all the wiring and I was
good to go. The original installer was there the whole time and left
about 5:30PM. A long install.
I have a 942, an 811, and a 301 receiver all working great today and
Irecorded enterprise on the DVR last night very easily. the jury is
out on the HD and Satellite delivered locals. The OTA tuners on the
942 and 811 scanned everything i expected. I am not sure that the HD
picture even on the VOOM channels is as good as what came from vOOM.
I will do an A/B comparison today on Discovery hD from Dishnet vs.
HDD200/4DTV. we'll see.
I am glad I did not buy the equipment and install myself. I saved a
lot of my time, the cost of the DP44 switch which approaches $100,
and cost of receivers and dishes that may be useless after the MPEG
4 switchover and satellite transponder reallocation. The goal of
Dishnet is to be able to do an install like mine and need to utilize
less satellites in a specific CONUS location. So there will be more
compression, etc. but it just depends on how the picture looks in
the end. My gut feel is that it may be a few years before we get
back to what VOOM gave us...
Thegrod
DSR922, HDD200, UM1000A, VOOM







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6 Replies · 2395 views
tfouts
Bruce can you get back to Robert, We've been trying to get him Vooming
again

On May 14, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Robert Heitner (Yahoo) wrote:

> So is it worth it then?
>
> I am also still unclear to whether or not the 942 can do the
> following ;
>
> Using only my HDtv (ie no other televisions involved), can it record
> two
> over the air (ie local channels) channels at the same time in HD?
> - In other words will it record CSI Miami(CBS) and Medium(NBC) at the
> same
> time, IN 1080 HD
> Using only my HDtv (ie no other televisions involved), can I picture
> in
> picture between the two channels it's recording?
> - In other words, if I'm watching CSI Miami and the commercials
> start, can
> I pause it, PIP to Medium and watch that and then PIP back to CSI
> Miami?
>
> I understand it has this TV1,TV2 crap where you can watch another
> television
> using the feed from the DVR. I am not interested in that whatsoever.
>
> I told my Dad last night that for a $250 FEE to LEASE the box, it had
> better
> do everything I want or I'd be a fool or pay that kind of money.
>
> I _really_ want to switch to Dish so I can get the 10 Voom channels
> (especially RAVE), but I'm not forking out hundreds of dollars if it
> doesn't
> get me what I have today with Time Warner Cable (minus Voom channels)
>
> -- Robert
>
>   _____ 
>
> From: VOOM@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VOOM@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> bgrodie
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:52 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [VOOM/DISH/OTA] Dishnet installation-4 orbital locations
> needed
>
>
> Unlike some people's experiences with VOOM, Dish called several
> times to confirm installation date and time period.
> Here is a review of my installation.
>
> The install went very well overall but it took quite some time it
> seemed at 5 hours. The were DNS direct employees so they were very
> good and they tried to explain a lot and accomodate me on Dish
> placement to keep the neighbors happy. They installed a Superdish
> for orbital positions 121, 119, and 110 and they installed a Dish
> 500 with a single LNBF for 61.5 which is where VOOM is.
> There was some confusion because the work order didn't include a
> DP44 switch which is needed for 4 orbital locations and the
> installer did not bring one. One fellow showed up at 11:45AM and we
> discussed the install. He only had a Superdish and no DP44 but he
> wasn't aware of VOOM and did not know he would need it because even
> though it was the "VOOM conversion center" I ordered from it was not
> on the order.
> Anyway, he called in and the supervisor said he would be there in an
> hour to get started with the installation so they could close out
> the work order today. Supervisor would bring the DP44 multiswitch.
> They had never installed a DP44 before so I was the first VOOM
> conversion in the area. They had a small amount of trouble with it
> but got it working fine. They cleaned up all the wiring and I was
> good to go. The original installer was there the whole time and left
> about 5:30PM. A long install.
> I have a 942, an 811, and a 301 receiver all working great today and
> Irecorded enterprise on the DVR last night very easily. the jury is
> out on the HD and Satellite delivered locals. The OTA tuners on the
> 942 and 811 scanned everything i expected. I am not sure that the HD
> picture even on the VOOM channels is as good as what came from vOOM.
> I will do an A/B comparison today on Discovery hD from Dishnet vs.
> HDD200/4DTV. we'll see.
> I am glad I did not buy the equipment and install myself. I saved a
> lot of my time, the cost of the DP44 switch which approaches $100,
> and cost of receivers and dishes that may be useless after the MPEG
> 4 switchover and satellite transponder reallocation. The goal of
> Dishnet is to be able to do an install like mine and need to utilize
> less satellites in a specific CONUS location. So there will be more
> compression, etc. but it just depends on how the picture looks in
> the end. My gut feel is that it may be a few years before we get
> back to what VOOM gave us...
> Thegrod
> DSR922, HDD200, UM1000A, VOOM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   _____ 
>
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>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VOOM/
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>
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>
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>
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> • To visit your group on the web, go to:
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thegrod
It will take a bit for me to let you know. I'm still reading the book....It
has PIP and two seperate tuners so I suspect it will work. I watched two
channels and swapped back and forth freely in a trial run but I believe
there is only 1 OTA tuner so I'm not sure about that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Heitner (Yahoo)" <ddprobert@yahoo.com>
To: <VOOM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: [VOOM/DISH/OTA] Dishnet installation-4 orbital locations needed


> So is it worth it then?
>
> I am also still unclear to whether or not the 942 can do the following ;
>
> Using only my HDtv (ie no other televisions involved), can it record two
> over the air (ie local channels) channels at the same time in HD?
> - In other words will it record CSI Miami(CBS) and Medium(NBC) at the same
> time, IN 1080 HD
> Using only my HDtv (ie no other televisions involved), can I picture in
> picture between the two channels it's recording?
> - In other words, if I'm watching CSI Miami and the commercials start, can
> I pause it, PIP to Medium and watch that and then PIP back to CSI Miami?
>
> I understand it has this TV1,TV2 crap where you can watch another
> television
> using the feed from the DVR. I am not interested in that whatsoever.
>
> I told my Dad last night that for a $250 FEE to LEASE the box, it had
> better
> do everything I want or I'd be a fool or pay that kind of money.
>
> I _really_ want to switch to Dish so I can get the 10 Voom channels
> (especially RAVE), but I'm not forking out hundreds of dollars if it
> doesn't
> get me what I have today with Time Warner Cable (minus Voom channels)
>
> -- Robert
>
> _____
>
> From: VOOM@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VOOM@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> bgrodie
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:52 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [VOOM/DISH/OTA] Dishnet installation-4 orbital locations needed
>
>
> Unlike some people's experiences with VOOM, Dish called several
> times to confirm installation date and time period.
> Here is a review of my installation.
>
> The install went very well overall but it took quite some time it
> seemed at 5 hours. The were DNS direct employees so they were very
> good and they tried to explain a lot and accomodate me on Dish
> placement to keep the neighbors happy. They installed a Superdish
> for orbital positions 121, 119, and 110 and they installed a Dish
> 500 with a single LNBF for 61.5 which is where VOOM is.
> There was some confusion because the work order didn't include a
> DP44 switch which is needed for 4 orbital locations and the
> installer did not bring one. One fellow showed up at 11:45AM and we
> discussed the install. He only had a Superdish and no DP44 but he
> wasn't aware of VOOM and did not know he would need it because even
> though it was the "VOOM conversion center" I ordered from it was not
> on the order.
> Anyway, he called in and the supervisor said he would be there in an
> hour to get started with the installation so they could close out
> the work order today. Supervisor would bring the DP44 multiswitch.
> They had never installed a DP44 before so I was the first VOOM
> conversion in the area. They had a small amount of trouble with it
> but got it working fine. They cleaned up all the wiring and I was
> good to go. The original installer was there the whole time and left
> about 5:30PM. A long install.
> I have a 942, an 811, and a 301 receiver all working great today and
> Irecorded enterprise on the DVR last night very easily. the jury is
> out on the HD and Satellite delivered locals. The OTA tuners on the
> 942 and 811 scanned everything i expected. I am not sure that the HD
> picture even on the VOOM channels is as good as what came from vOOM.
> I will do an A/B comparison today on Discovery hD from Dishnet vs.
> HDD200/4DTV. we'll see.
> I am glad I did not buy the equipment and install myself. I saved a
> lot of my time, the cost of the DP44 switch which approaches $100,
> and cost of receivers and dishes that may be useless after the MPEG
> 4 switchover and satellite transponder reallocation. The goal of
> Dishnet is to be able to do an install like mine and need to utilize
> less satellites in a specific CONUS location. So there will be more
> compression, etc. but it just depends on how the picture looks in
> the end. My gut feel is that it may be a few years before we get
> back to what VOOM gave us...
> Thegrod
> DSR922, HDD200, UM1000A, VOOM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VOOM/
>
>
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> VOOM-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
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> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>






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Mike Kessler
I had Dish and the 942 installed earlier this week. I'll answer your
questions and let the group know what I think:

942 has one OTA tuner, so no cannot record 2 OTA's at the same time.

Here's a list of quirks that I've found so far:

First of all, I would say the picture quality is great, even from the
recordings. It's the best SD quality I've ever seen in my house and I don't
notice much difference in the HD picture.

I only have OTA guide for 1 of my 7 local digital stations. Called dish,
they say locals are not sending out the guide over the air which is what the
942 uses. I haven't been able to confirm that, but it's pretty useless to
have a HD DVR and not be able to record those because the guide doesn't show
the programs.

It has a single/duo mode where TV 2 can show what TV 1 has, or can be
independent to see it's own programming. I am finding some of the PVR
functionality too limiting in the duo mode (think of TV 2 only controlling
tuner 2), but I need it for my household to have different TV's pulling from
the same DVR.
If you have it in single mode, I belive it would work better at utilizing
the 2 Tuners (using the 2nd to record before using 1st). In duo mode, think
of it more as 2 seperate DVR's but both TV's being able to get at the
recordings.

In duo mode, I would consider the DVR to be more stupid than intelligent. A
show won't record on another tuner if the scheduled tuner is busy and the
other one is free. You have no way of forcing the conflict to record on the
other tuner even though it's open. I have instances where one program won't
record because it's a lower priority of another show. Problem is the other
show is already set to not record since it's a duplicate and the DVR doesn't
pick up on that.

I really am NOT impressed on what Dish thinks a DVR should be. They treat
it as more of a glorified VCR and not an intelligent recorder. My wife and
I ran into a limitation of 30-35 'timers' set to record. The Dish CSR says
the limit should be 50 between the 2 tuners. I think that's way too low.
Think about it... in theory you could setup 1/2 hour programs to record all
day, 24 hrs in a day = 48 programs. One day is already way over the limit
of 35 I've reached, how would you get close to scheduling a week? Heck, you
have 3 tuners, that's only 10 programs per tuner for a week. Not only that,
it just won't schedule programs if you have 288 instances in the list for
the next 9 days. They really need to get rid of these limits, or up it to
300 favorites and 1000 instances.

The scheduled recordings do not give enough information to determine what
each item is. For instance.. I'm setting up a favorite for "Nascar Racing",
I will get a bunch of items. In one weekend you will have a show for
qualifying, final practice, and then the race. The guide does not even give
me enough information for me to determine which each of these are.

That said, if you use the 942 on one TV, most of these problems go away. I
know it's a recent release and there will be fixes, but I was quite suprised
with the issues I've run into when you won't find a negative review of it
anywhere on the net.



----- Original Message -----



> So is it worth it then?
>
> I am also still unclear to whether or not the 942 can do the following ;
>
> Using only my HDtv (ie no other televisions involved), can it record two
> over the air (ie local channels) channels at the same time in HD?
> - In other words will it record CSI Miami(CBS) and Medium(NBC) at the same
> time, IN 1080 HD
> Using only my HDtv (ie no other televisions involved), can I picture in
> picture between the two channels it's recording?
> - In other words, if I'm watching CSI Miami and the commercials start, can
> I pause it, PIP to Medium and watch that and then PIP back to CSI Miami?
>
> I understand it has this TV1,TV2 crap where you can watch another
> television
> using the feed from the DVR. I am not interested in that whatsoever.
>
> I told my Dad last night that for a $250 FEE to LEASE the box, it had
> better
> do everything I want or I'd be a fool or pay that kind of money.
>
> I _really_ want to switch to Dish so I can get the 10 Voom channels
> (especially RAVE), but I'm not forking out hundreds of dollars if it
> doesn't
> get me what I have today with Time Warner Cable (minus Voom channels)
>
> -- Robert
>
> _____
>
> From: VOOM@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VOOM@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> bgrodie
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:52 AM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [VOOM/DISH/OTA] Dishnet installation-4 orbital locations needed
>
>
> Unlike some people's experiences with VOOM, Dish called several
> times to confirm installation date and time period.
> Here is a review of my installation.
>
> The install went very well overall but it took quite some time it
> seemed at 5 hours. The were DNS direct employees so they were very
> good and they tried to explain a lot and accomodate me on Dish
> placement to keep the neighbors happy. They installed a Superdish
> for orbital positions 121, 119, and 110 and they installed a Dish
> 500 with a single LNBF for 61.5 which is where VOOM is.
> There was some confusion because the work order didn't include a
> DP44 switch which is needed for 4 orbital locations and the
> installer did not bring one. One fellow showed up at 11:45AM and we
> discussed the install. He only had a Superdish and no DP44 but he
> wasn't aware of VOOM and did not know he would need it because even
> though it was the "VOOM conversion center" I ordered from it was not
> on the order.
> Anyway, he called in and the supervisor said he would be there in an
> hour to get started with the installation so they could close out
> the work order today. Supervisor would bring the DP44 multiswitch.
> They had never installed a DP44 before so I was the first VOOM
> conversion in the area. They had a small amount of trouble with it
> but got it working fine. They cleaned up all the wiring and I was
> good to go. The original installer was there the whole time and left
> about 5:30PM. A long install.
> I have a 942, an 811, and a 301 receiver all working great today and
> Irecorded enterprise on the DVR last night very easily. the jury is
> out on the HD and Satellite delivered locals. The OTA tuners on the
> 942 and 811 scanned everything i expected. I am not sure that the HD
> picture even on the VOOM channels is as good as what came from vOOM.
> I will do an A/B comparison today on Discovery hD from Dishnet vs.
> HDD200/4DTV. we'll see.
> I am glad I did not buy the equipment and install myself. I saved a
> lot of my time, the cost of the DP44 switch which approaches $100,
> and cost of receivers and dishes that may be useless after the MPEG
> 4 switchover and satellite transponder reallocation. The goal of
> Dishnet is to be able to do an install like mine and need to utilize
> less satellites in a specific CONUS location. So there will be more
> compression, etc. but it just depends on how the picture looks in
> the end. My gut feel is that it may be a few years before we get
> back to what VOOM gave us...
> Thegrod
> DSR922, HDD200, UM1000A, VOOM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VOOM/
>
>
> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> VOOM-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:VOOM-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
>
>
> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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Stan Sexton
On your new Dish installation, how many RG-6 wires are coming into the
house? I really need to know how many RG-6 wires are attached to the LNBs.
How many LNBs and how many attachments? Thanks. Stan in San Diego






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B
Robert Heitner \(Yahoo\) said:
So is it worth it then?

I am also still unclear to whether or not the 942 can do the following ;

Using only my HDtv (ie no other televisions involved), can it record two
over the air (ie local channels) channels at the same time in HD?
- In other words will it record CSI Miami(CBS) and Medium(NBC) at the same
time, IN 1080 HD
Using only my HDtv (ie no other televisions involved), can I picture in
picture between the two channels it's recording?
- In other words, if I'm watching CSI Miami and the commercials start, can
I pause it, PIP to Medium and watch that and then PIP back to CSI Miami?

I understand it has this TV1,TV2 crap where you can watch another television
using the feed from the DVR. I am not interested in that whatsoever.

I told my Dad last night that for a $250 FEE to LEASE the box, it had better
do everything I want or I'd be a fool or pay that kind of money.

I _really_ want to switch to Dish so I can get the 10 Voom channels
(especially RAVE), but I'm not forking out hundreds of dollars if it doesn't
get me what I have today with Time Warner Cable (minus Voom channels)

-- Robert

------------------------

Robert--Have you decided to go with Dish and have you already ordered an installation?

If not and you want to save $50 off that $250 you have to pay up front for leasing the 942, I can give you a DishClub Referral Code, which, if you use at the time of sign-up will save you $50 off the initial activation fee--that's ON TOP of the $49.99 credit you get on your first bill.

I tried it about 1 1/2 weeks ago and did not have to pay the $50 and I still got the $49.99 credit, so, effectively the 942 was $200.

Also, if you find you need to pay $100 for the extra dish, I can tell you how I was able to avoid that fee--for first-time Dish subscribers (or not a member within the last 6 months--or under another family member's name).

Let me know (Private Message me by clicking on my name) if you still could use the DishClub referral code and save $50.

Thanks
DialgaChampion
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Does someone still have the diagram showing how to connect two Hopper 3s again?

I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.

The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.
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HipKat
dp6.png

You need a 42 switch.
Run the outputs to the inputs on the Duo Hub
DialgaChampion
You need a 42 switch.
Run the outputs to the inputs on the Duo Hub

Okay, so I made an updated diagram just to make sure I understand this right...

- 2 Coax connected from outside Dish LNB into 42 switch.
- 2 Coax from 42 switch into Duo Hub.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into 1st Hopper 3.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into Power Inserter.
- 1 Coax from Power Inserter into 2nd Hopper 3.
- Power Inserter plugged into wall electrical outlet.

Did I get that right? And also, I assume the power inserter is required?
HipKat
Okay, so I made an updated diagram just to make sure I understand this right...

- 2 Coax connected from outside Dish LNB into 42 switch.
- 2 Coax from 42 switch into Duo Hub.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into 1st Hopper 3.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into Power Inserter.
- 1 Coax from Power Inserter into 2nd Hopper 3.
- Power Inserter plugged into wall electrical outlet.

Did I get that right? And also, I assume the power inserter is required?
Twa Coaxes from the LNB if it's Eastern Arc (2 "Eyes") and three if it's Western Arc and yes, the power inserter, it's required
LQQK
Does someone still have the diagram showing how to connect two Hopper 3s again?

I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.

The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.
Are you going with 2 H3s for the PIP/Multi-View features or something else?
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DialgaChampion
Are you going with 2 H3s for the PIP/Multi-View features or something else?

No, it's specifically to fix the problem with the 4K Joey's live feed intermittently freezing. I'll be watching a live program and then randomly out of nowhere, the picture and sound will just pixelate/freeze for 5-10 seconds, then go back to normal. Doesn't matter which channel it's on either. It's like what happens when the signal cuts out during heavy rain or a thunderstorm, but this will happen even on a perfectly clear day/night.

It doesn't happen with my H3 though, only with the Joey. I've replaced the solo hub and I've also replaced the Joey itself with another brand new 4K Joey, but it's still the same problem. And I know it's not the coax going from the hub into the Joey because I previously had another receiver connected in the same room before changing to the whole home dvr setup and that receiver worked fine.

So I'm basing this off process of elimination, which seems to indicate a problem with the 4K Joey device itself. Only thing I haven't tried is maybe getting a regular Joey 3, if that's still the latest model of Joey currently available, but otherwise the only other solution is getting a second Hopper 3. It'd be nice if the 42 and the Power Inserter weren't necessary and I could just use the Duo Hub though.
DialgaChampion
Twa Coaxes from the LNB if it's Eastern Arc (2 "Eyes") and three if it's Western Arc and yes, the power inserter, it's required
Yep just swap the lnb with a dpp lnb and connect the 42 switch.

Finally got around to trying to set everything up. Need some help because I've got an issue.

1st Hopper 3 works fine.

2nd Hopper 3 doesn't show any channels in my Top 200 package in the guide, even though it's set to All Subscribed. But it does see the 1st Hopper 3 and can access the recordings on it.

Here's my setup:
  • DPP EA 61.5/72 LNB on the dish. 2 Coaxes going from LNB into the DPH42 switch.
  • DPH42 "Receiver 1" port > Power Inserter "To Switch" port..... Power Inserter "To Receiver" port > Duo Hub "ODU 1" port.
  • DPH42 "Receiver 2" port > Duo Hub "ODU 2" port.
  • 2 Coaxes from both Host ports on the Duo Hub into both Hopper 3s.
I've spent the last few hours troubleshooting, no success. I did the Test Installation on the Diagnostics screen. Red button. Held Power Button for 15 seconds.

Also tried several different configurations with the coax cables according to Google's AI suggestions. Tried connecting both a Solo Hub and a Duo Hub (I don't have 2 solo hubs at the moment), having each Hopper connected to each hub independently. Tried connecting Receiver 2 from the DPH42 directly into the 2nd Hopper 3. Tried having the Power Inserter connected both before and after the hub.

I even checked my account online. Both Hopper 3s are authorized and "Powered" on the account. Even tried "Wake Up Receivers". That second H3 still won't show my channels in the guide at all.

According to Google's AI, it thinks this is the problem:
  • - When you plug two Hopper 3 units into a single Duo Hub, the hub cannot allocate the correct satellite transponder frequencies to both boxes simultaneously.
  • - As a result, the first Hopper 3 hogs the satellite line, while the second Hopper 3 gets locked out of the satellite signal entirely—causing an empty guide and blocking live TV. The unlinked status on the whole-home screen occurs because the software recognizes the conflict and stops integration.
But none of its solutions have worked. Any ideas?
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Googles AI is wrong as according to what you wrote you have two completely separate satellite line from the switch

My be a dumb question but did you run the check switch option on th 2nd H3

Did you try swapping the H3 to see if the problem switches between the two

That's all I can think of at the moment
DialgaChampion
Googles AI is wrong as according to what you wrote you have two completely separate satellite line from the switch

My be a dumb question but did you run the check switch option on th 2nd H3

Did you try swapping the H3 to see if the problem switches between the two

That's all I can think of at the moment

Check Status complete. No issues found.
Test Installation screen shows green checks for 61.5 and 72, all 16 tuners.
Options > TV Activity shows 1 of 16 tuners in use.

When I bring up the program guide, the dish scapes channel appears and displays fine. The guide also shows the bonusview channels, and the stream and ppv channels.

I tried swapping the 2nd H3's cables with the 1st H3 and having it as the only H3 connected. It still has the same issue, so it seems isolated to the second Hopper 3 itself.

There was another suggestion from Google, not sure if it applies:

If the TV Activity Screen shows that your tuners are "Available" and "1 of 16 in use," your satellite signal path is 100% active and perfectly working. Your hardware wiring bypass has officially succeeded—the second Hopper 3 is successfully talking to the DPH42 switch, receiving high-frequency satellite data, and its internal processors are healthy. Because the hardware is fully operational, the fact that your screen is still black and the guide is missing means your receiver is stuck in Account Quarantine (Authorization Hold). Because a dual Hopper 3 system requires a non-standard account setup (32 tuners instead of the typical 16-tuner cap), standard "Wake Up" hits sent from the customer app or website are getting rejected by the system. The box can look at the data stream (which is why tuners show as available), but it is legally blocked by the internal software from decoding the live video feeds. To flip the switch and activate the live video feed, a DISH billing agent must manually push a tier-3 service re-hit through their legacy terminal.​

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No, it's specifically to fix the problem with the 4K Joey's live feed intermittently freezing. I'll be watching a live program and then randomly out of nowhere, the picture and sound will just pixelate/freeze for 5-10 seconds, then go back to normal. Doesn't matter which channel it's on either. It's like what happens when the signal cuts out during heavy rain or a thunderstorm, but this will happen even on a perfectly clear day/night.

It doesn't happen with my H3 though, only with the Joey. I've replaced the solo hub and I've also replaced the Joey itself with another brand new 4K Joey, but it's still the same problem. And I know it's not the coax going from the hub into the Joey because I previously had another receiver connected in the same room before changing to the whole home dvr setup and that receiver worked fine.

So I'm basing this off process of elimination, which seems to indicate a problem with the 4K Joey device itself. Only thing I haven't tried is maybe getting a regular Joey 3, if that's still the latest model of Joey currently available, but otherwise the only other solution is getting a second Hopper 3. It'd be nice if the 42 and the Power Inserter weren't necessary and I could just use the Duo Hub though.
Why not upgrade to the joey 4 with is an android box and dump the 4k joey
DialgaChampion
Ok, I finally solved it. The second Hopper 3 just needed to be updated to the latest software version. After downloading it, all the channels in my package showed up in the program guide. I guess Dish's system is set up so that if your receiver doesn't have the most recent software update, you can't access your channels, even if the receiver is authorized on the account.

Thank you everyone for helping. I'm very proud I was able to set all of this up myself with all of your guidance. I only wish my mother was still alive to enjoy it, but life is not fair.

Why not upgrade to the joey 4 with is an android box and dump the 4k joey

Stubborness perhaps. I could've tried replacing the original H3 to see if that solved the freezing issue too, since it's over 10 years old now. But I spent so much time and effort trying to set up the coax cables correctly and buying all the correct equipment for a 2 Hopper setup that I was determined to get it done. I'm not a DIYer, but this was one thing I was very passionate about doing, to give my parents the best television experience possible without the hassle of internet/streaming.
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Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.


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Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:
  • Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
  • Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
    • 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
    • 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
    • 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
    • 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
    • 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
    • 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
  • During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
  • Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
  • Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
  • There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
    • At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
    • At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now. TP 02, 04, 06, 08, 10 were all functioning as Spotbeams as of last week, but now they are ConUS.

This means all 21 transponders that Dish has access to at 119 are now ConUS.
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Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now.
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
zippyfrog
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
Nope - TP 1-13 are still ConUS on 110. Which is crazy...there are so many different spotbeams on the new 110 satellite compared to the older 110 or 119. Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now? If so, it looks like TP 1-13 are coming from the old satellite at 110 and 14 onward are spotbeams on the new satellite.
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Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now?
Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?
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Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

Here was a comment by nelson61 last year:
EchoStar 23 (Conus beam) will still be at 110W so there can be some Conus beam coverage from 110W depending on how many transponders they use for the spots.
In the same thread, he gave all the kml files for the spotbeams to put on Google Earth, and it looks like there are a lot more spotbeams per transponder available than the old satellite. My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

I would love an analysis of how many channels could be fit on all the spots!
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My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.
My only trouble with that explanation, is the fact that they are wasting at least 1 TP (TP 10, to be precise) on a local market (part of the Chicago locals are on that TP) that could be used for more CONUS channels (namely more HD!)
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Howard Simmons
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
So is Kelce.
meStevo
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
He wants to be Brady
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Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Coming Back to Life - Pink Floyd
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Echos - Pink Floyd
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Echoes in the Rain - Enya
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Fool in the Rain - Led Zeppelin
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ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
rvvaquero
If Musk did acquire DISH, he would just convert it to use his own satellites to deliver it. Might be easier than creating a new startup. Change my dish out to one which connects to Starlink? Who knows?
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I was bewildered with all the new DISH TV "Bonus View" channels, so I put together a web page table with all the info I could find. It's at:

https://anythingpeaceful.org/dishtv/DISH_TV_Bonus_View_Channels.html

Here's a partial screenshot of the table, as sorted by Channel Name. (You can click on a column header to sort.)

screenshot.jpg


If you have any corrections or suggestions, please post here.
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One Bonus View channel added today. And one correction (on my part):

added and corrected.webp


One Removed:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

BTW, not a Bonus View item, but there was a temporary channel 304 Spooktacular added, I imagine just for the Halloween season.

Thanks again to Pat for the many tips.
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Three new Bonus View channels today:

pic.webp


My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

As always, thanks to Pat for the tips.
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Four Bonus View channels removed today:

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Why all the changes?
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Why all the changes?
I guess the Bonus View world is very dynamic.

And here's two more changes for you:
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meStevo
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Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.



View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Oooo, quite the show now. All three vents have doming and overflows. The cone that built up around the North vent lost its upper quarter at 02:50 Oct 17 and is now spewing lava at a healthy rate. Don't know if I would say it's a fountain, but it's close.


IMG_1534.webp

edit: The USGS has called the official start of Episode 55 as starting at 03:19 HST Oct 17, 2026:

Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-10-17 13:43:56 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Saturday, October 17, 2026, 3:43 AM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H488
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 55 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 55 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Fountain heights are relatively low at about 100-150 feet (30-45 m), and it is not clear whether this episode will evolve to the same heights as previous episodes. Continuous overflows from the vents began yesterday, October 16, just before 6 a.m. HST and transitioned into episode 55 fountains at 3:19 a.m. HST this morning. The current forecast is for winds are blowing from the north-northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the south-southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
  • All eruptive vents and lava flows are confined to Halemaʻumaʻu crater within Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park. Tephra fall from volcanic ash clouds is greatest within 3 miles (5 km) of the vents, lighter ash and Pele's Hair may stay suspended for large distances from the vents.
Foxbat
Kīlauea seems to be returning to the "normal" eruption script, impressive fountaining from the North Vent. For once, the V2 Cam has the best overall shot:
IMG_1535.webp
The lava flows have covered a good portion of the Halemaʻumaʻu crater floor.
Foxbat
Looks like Episode 55 is over at 09:00 HST, just under six hours. The USGS said the fountains reached 720' or 220 meters.
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The USGS Kīlaeua Webcam #1 has been showing overflows and doming from the North vent overnight. Maybe the volcanic plumbing has settled back into its two-three week cycle of fountaining?

But I do miss the little cinder cone that broke up in the last episode.
Foxbat
Sorry, I should have posted these earlier:

​

We're still waiting on the start of Episode 56.
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dishstaller
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Now first, I'll mention that the area of FL I live in has extremely high humidity and not a lot of wind so things don't dry out very well for extended periods of time.
I'm in the process of tearing down and rebuilding a pergola with a surrounding deck that I built 9 yrs ago. 90% of the deck screws are just sheering off at the head because the screws rusted out. These are the deck screws you buy in the 25 lb box at your lumber yard. Very annoying. So I just ordered some 316L stainless steel screws to use for when I go to rebuild it.
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AZ.
Now first, I'll mention that the area of FL I live in has extremely high humidity and not a lot of wind so things don't dry out very well for extended periods of time.
I'm in the process of tearing down and rebuilding a pergola with a surrounding deck that I built 9 yrs ago. 90% of the deck screws are just sheering off at the head because the screws rusted out. These are the deck screws you buy in the 25 lb box at your lumber yard. Very annoying. So I just ordered some 316L stainless steel screws to use for when I go to rebuild it.
Screws are all crap, soft and useless! Sick of going through 3 to get one not to break, strip or shear! I aint that strong in my old age!
T
Well, isn't removal of screws intrinsically much tougher than drive-in, simply because over time they become more adhered to the wood, whether or not they actively rust? Possibly there could be less of that effect with stainless.
dishstaller
Well, isn't removal of screws intrinsically much tougher than drive-in, simply because over time they become more adhered to the wood, whether or not they actively rust?
I have seen that happen that not in this case. I had also used some screws from an old box I had that I needed to use up....didn't think much of it at the time. ALL of THOSE screws came out perfectly and had virtually no rust on them. The ones that you find at your lumber yard....those with the orange snap on lids were mostly rust. The problem with the heads sheering off was that I had to get my crowbar and pry each board up one joist at the time. Took a simple job and made it 1000% harder.

As for adhering to the wood...true story. Back when hurricane Michael hit, it almost took the weather vane off of the old milk barn behind my parent's house. I climbed up on the roof and only one nail was still holding it. Grabbed my hammer and tried to pull it out...wasn't budging. Grabbed a short crowbar (all I had access to) wouldn't budge. Ended up cutting the stupid nail so I could get the weather vane. Barn was built in the late 40s, I guess the nail had become one with the pine lumber used to build the barn.