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Last reply Nov 20, 2013 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

This a software bug, but a hardware issue

A couple of months ago I was given a new 722 because I was losing recordings (error code 4). When I got the replacement all seemed well until I went to transfer the oldest recordings to the EHD. I noticed that none of the ones selected registered in the amount selected area. They also wouldn't transfer over. When I tried to view them, I got the error code 4 again. Some of these I had either watched, or started to watch so I know it's not a signal issue as some suggest. When all was said and done, I had lost the last 35 recordings on the drive and had to delete them. I contacted Dish again as was told I must have gotten a replacement unit with a bad drive (highly unlikely, but I had them send another replacement). This time the new unit had a noisy fan that turned on even when the room temp was 68 and ran for hours before stopping. It even rattled now and then. So they are sending me another unit on Friday. In preparation for it, I decided to move my recordings to the EHD. I have 55 recordings and using about half the internal drive. This time I ran into the exact same issue and lost the last 22 recordings.

There is no way this is a hardware or signal issue. This has to be software related. I have been using my 722 in this configuration for over a 1 1/2 years with no problems and had never lost a recording before (been using the DRVs since they were introduced). In one of the updates they've done, they've introduced a bug that is corrupting the recordings or messing up their entries in the allocation table.

How many other 722 users are losing recordings that had never lost any before?

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TheKrell

Nov 20, 2013

I have not noticed this problem with my 722 either. But I only transfer a few recordings at a time. What happens if you try that? Also, is your EHD a common denominator in these 3 bad 722s?

Tugboat

Nov 20, 2013

The EHD has been with all three as well as a couple of others here in the house. It is mainly on this one (about 95% of the time) and has been in service almost 2 years. The EHD has never acted up or lost any recordings. It's also odd that the recordings I'm losing are all the oldest ones on the internal drive. In this case they were only between 4 and 6 days old. So it's always a contiguous batch at the end and never ones in the middle or beginning of the list.

I've tried moving them one at a time and they will not go if they're the code ones. If I add one of the code recordings in with another, it will stop the process when it reaches the bad one.

TheKrell said:
I have not noticed this problem with my 722 either. But I only transfer a few recordings at a time. What happens if you try that? Also, is your EHD a common denominator in these 3 bad 722s?

TheKrell

Nov 20, 2013

Tugboat said:
The EHD has been with all three as well as a couple of others here in the house. It is mainly on this one (about 95% of the time) and has been in service almost 2 years. The EHD has never acted up or lost any recordings.

You mean, "before now".

I still think the EHD is the common denominator in these 3 receivers acting up in the same way (when transferring to your EHD). Since EHDs are so cheap, I'd get another one and see if that fixes it.

Tugboat said:
I've tried moving them one at a time and they will not go if they're the code ones. If I add one of the code recordings in with another, it will stop the process when it reaches the bad one.

What's a code recording?

Tugboat

Nov 20, 2013

I'm still not understanding how the EHD can corrupt a recording on the internal drive when that recording has never been moved to it or from it. Why would the EHD have access to recorded shows on the receiver when you haven't use the "send to" function?

By "code" I mean the error code (error 5).

TheKrell said:
You mean, "before now". I still think the EHD is the common denominator in these 3 receivers acting up in the same way (when transferring to your EHD). Since EHDs are so cheap, I'd get another one and see if that fixes it.

What's a code recording?

TheKrell

Nov 20, 2013

Tugboat said:
I'm still not understanding how the EHD can corrupt a recording on the internal drive when that recording has never been moved to it or from it. Why would the EHD have access to recorded shows on the receiver when you haven't use the "send to" function?

Well, apparently I'm not understanding the issue, because if I read your OP correctly, the problem only occurs when you go to archive recordings to the EHD. The archive algorithm used in our receivers is (unfortunately) a move and not a copy. This is to avoid lawsuits by exploiting the "one copy" rule of the DMCA. Note that a "move" involves first a copy, followed by a delete of the original files from the internal disk. So, I am speculating that the receiver is getting the recording moved, but then something goes wrong on the EHD to confuse the receiver, which then goes on to mangle (rather than totally remove) the originals on the internal disk.

Tugboat

Nov 20, 2013

Okay, let me try this. I noticed the corruption when I tried to move some. The counter that adds up the amount of the chosen recordings wasn't changing as I was highlighting them. I canceled the highlight process and didn't start the moving process. I then went to the recordings and not only were the ones I had highlighted (and not tried to move) corrupt, but so were about 15 others I hadn't highlighted in the earlier process. So I never actually started the move process, just highlighted them and canceled. Also, 15 that weren't highlighted were also corrupt.

TheKrell said:
Well, apparently I'm not understanding the issue, because if I read your OP correctly, the problem only occurs when you go to archive recordings to the EHD. The archive algorithm used in our receivers is (unfortunately) a move and not a copy. This is to avoid lawsuits by exploiting the "one copy" rule of the DMCA. Note that a "move" involves first a copy, followed by a delete of the original files from the internal disk. So, I am speculating that the receiver is getting the recording moved, but then something goes wrong on the EHD to confuse the receiver, which then goes on to mangle (rather than totally remove) the originals on the internal disk.

primestar31

Nov 20, 2013

Tugboat said:
Okay, let me try this. I noticed the corruption when I tried to move some. The counter that adds up the amount of the chosen recordings wasn't changing as I was highlighting them. I canceled the highlight process and didn't start the moving process. I then went to the recordings and not only were the ones I had highlighted (and not tried to move) corrupt, but so were about 15 others I hadn't highlighted in the earlier process. So I never actually started the move process, just highlighted them and canceled. Also, 15 that weren't highlighted were also corrupt.

You know of course that NONE of this makes any sense with the info you have given us so far? I could maybe see a bad internal drive causing this issue, BUT, the EXACT same issue of corrupted recordings that nobody else has seen happen in this way, and only YOU have the problem on 3 receivers?

There HAS to be some other commonality. That means we need more information. How is your whole system laid out, Eastern arc, Western arc, what dish(es), what channels are the recordings from, are they OTA, are they ALL satellite, etc, etc. SOMETHING in that whole mess has to be causing this issue. Realize that your entire satellite system install is the only common part of this whole ordeal.

So, I'm saying it's NOT the receivers, but some other strange phenomena with your system or connections that is causing the corrupted recordings. I'll bet money they are corrupted when recorded, but you don't notice the issue until the external drive move attempts to do whatever exact functions it does when commanded.

Tugboat

Nov 20, 2013

I really don't know what you expect. My setup has been working for years and now it's not. Nothing has changed, they are becoming corrupt without being transferred to the EHD, they are a mix of satellite and OTA, I've had no power failures, some of these recordings were already watched completely or partially, it's not a signal issue and they aren't corrupt during recording.

And it is not the move process that brings them to my attention. I never initiated the move. I've found them from either highlighting them and noticing the amount selected wasn't increasing, or trying to watch one and getting the error 5 (from an unwatched recording, a partially watched recording or a recording previously watched).

If this isn't enough information for you, you can't choose to not reply anymore.

primestar31 said:
You know of course that NONE of this makes any sense with the info you have given us so far? I could maybe see a bad internal drive causing this issue, BUT, the EXACT same issue of corrupted recordings that nobody else has seen happen in this way, and only YOU have the problem on 3 receivers?

There HAS to be some other commonality. That means we need more information. How is your whole system laid out, Eastern arc, Western arc, what dish(es), what channels are the recordings from, are they OTA, are they ALL satellite, etc, etc. SOMETHING in that whole mess has to be causing this issue. Realize that your entire satellite system install is the only common part of this whole ordeal.

So, I'm saying it's NOT the receivers, but some other strange phenomena with your system or connections that is causing the corrupted recordings. I'll bet money they are corrupted when recorded, but you don't notice the issue until the external drive move attempts to do whatever exact functions it does when commanded.

lucky86

Nov 20, 2013

Do you use a surge protector?

TheKrell

Nov 20, 2013

EHDs are cheap enough, get one and try it and see if it's miraculously fixed. If you can't afford one, borrow one as a test. If this is a software issue as you suspect, I have to think that your 722 is a different variant than mine which does not exhibit this behavior. Possible, I suppose... I think it about as unlikely as getting 3 receivers in a row with bad disks. But stranger things have happened.

TheKrell

Nov 20, 2013

Another thought... What is your EHD? Can you give us a manufacturer/model? I trust it's externally powered, and not bus powered. I've got an older bus-powered USB2 My Passport drive that reliably crashes my receivers, even when I'm not transferring anything.

primestar31

Nov 20, 2013

Tugboat said:
I really don't know what you expect. My setup has been working for years and now it's not. Nothing has changed, they are becoming corrupt without being transferred to the EHD, they are a mix of satellite and OTA, I've had no power failures, some of these recordings were already watched completely or partially, it's not a signal issue and they aren't corrupt during recording.

And it is not the move process that brings them to my attention. I never initiated the move. I've found them from either highlighting them and noticing the amount selected wasn't increasing, or trying to watch one and getting the error 5 (from an unwatched recording, a partially watched recording or a recording previously watched).

If this isn't enough information for you, you can't choose to not reply anymore.

Sorry for taking the time trying to help by laying some things out for you and trying to narrow down the problem you are having. I won't bother anymore. Good luck.

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I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

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klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.

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MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.

Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

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harshness said:
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.

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MikeD-C05 said:
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.

Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.

MikeD-C05

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harshness said:
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.

I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that.

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MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that.

Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping

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MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes.

That is your right.

I couldn't buy hiding behind the dirty-feet argument.

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