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After reading some of the recent threads about the benefits and drawbacks of certain receivers, I got to thinking that it might not be a bad idea to ask what the "perfect" next-generation FTA receiver might include. One way to think about that is, what does your current receiver NOT do (or do poorly) that you wish it did? Or, what feature do you most like about your current receiver that wasn't present on your previous receiver?

If we had some idea of what people find desirable, this would give us a base of comparison against new and existing receivers. But I'm realistically most interested in thinking about features that should be able to be added to a low cost (under $100) receiver. I think that in the coming years, any receiver costing over $100 is going to be kind of a hard sell unless it is a total package. A company that stands behind the receiver and that can speedily address bugs and add new features would tend to make a receiver more valuable in my mind, but only if they are open to suggestions by users and and not the type of developers that take the attitude that they'll only add the features that interest them, and screw everyone else.

But anyway, I'll start the list, so here are the features that I think receivers of the future should have as a minimum:

* A GIGABIT, or at very least, a 10/100 Ethernet connection (WiFi is optional; in most cases a wired connection is much more reliable). Some of the following requires being able to connect to a local network or the Internet.

* A clock that keeps time without having to be reset every week or two. If the receiver has an Internet connection, then it can use an Internet-based timeserver to reset the time once or twice a day.

* PVR functionality. And the PVR should be able to save recordings to either a locally-connected USB drive, or to a network share on the local network. If the receiver has a USB port and you connect a hard drive to it, the recordings on that drive should be accessible (for example as a SAMBA share on the network). A PVR that only saves to a USB connected device that is not accessible from the local network is something I'd personally never pay more than about $50 for (and only do that very reluctantly).

* FAST and ACCURATE blind scan. Like it or hate it, the X2 seems to be the "gold standard" for this right now.

* Support of as many of the existing formats as possible - definitely S2. And even if the receiver doesn't have enough computational power to play a 4:2:2 signal, it should at least be able to record it, though as faster processors become available, playing 4:2:2 should be a greater possibility. Also, it should have a decent tuner that receives those "edge case" signals that some receivers just can't quite seem to pull in.

* A web interface that can be accessed over the local network from a web browser, similar to the way many networked devices are configured nowadays. From this browser you should be able to change settings on the device (particularly the video output setting, so that if you manage to set that to something incompatible with your TV and your screen goes dark, you can fix it from the web interface), and you should be able to schedule PVR recordings or see what's already been scheduled. It would also be nice if there were a way to view online TV schedule services (such as TitanTV) and then select a program for recording, but I have no idea whether that is really feasible.

* RELIABLE DiSEqC switching, particularly when controlling a VBOX or any other positioner/controller.

* Desirable but I could live without it if it would significantly increase the cost: The ability to steam live signals to other computers/devices on the network.

* HDMI output, of course, but also SPDIF (TOSLINK) audio output (some of us do still have perfectly good older audio equipment). And it had better not downscale 1080p signals, or compress 5.1 channel audio down to stereo! I would rather have a receiver that does not have built-in video and audio outputs at all than degraded video or audio (I'd just watch the recordings using VLC or XBMC or some other software on a HTPC).

* And one thing to omit (and I know I'll probably get an argument on this, but hear me out): The serial port. The problem with these is that very few newer computers even have a serial port anymore - they sort of died with dial-up modems - and anything that used to be done using a serial port should be able to be done via the ethernet connection. And that serial port takes up space on the back panel that could be taken over by other types of I/O that are more widely used nowadays. For the true hardware guys that feel they need a serial port connection, that could always be provided using a set of pins (similar to the GPIO pins on a Raspberry Pi) and an accessory serial port connector, or for that matter perhaps a USB to serial port converter. But a serial port is like a fax machine; they sort of refuse to die even though by all rights they should, because they have outlived their usefulness.

I'll stop there; if I thought about it longer I could probably come up with a few more things, but I realize the <$100 "sweet spot" price does not allow throwing in everything but the kitchen sink (though as CPU processing power improves I certainly expect that sooner rather than later, nearly everything I have suggested would be doable at that price point. Moore's Law and all that).

As for those manufacturers that want to cater to high-end customers, all I can say is, get ready for 4K and 8K (as demonstrated at CES 2014). That's how you'll sell your >$200 receivers in the future, by supporting the latest and greatest video formats. Of course, there will need to be ultra high def content on the birds first!
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pacificrim
These aren't in any particular order, and I will probably think of more later, but here goes:

- Android based - access to apps + more
- 4:2:2 capable
- LAN access to SMB shares and able to share local drive
- remote / keyboard combo
- accurate USALS
- sensitive tuner (dual preferred)
- USB upgradeable at bootup
- front display
- streaming output
- hardware blind scan
- modular design - nice to be able to replace a DVB-s2 tuner with next gen if it comes out

$200-$300 seems realistic to me.
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One I totally forgot about but that is very important on any unit with a PVR:

No ridiculously small limit on the number of timers. My old Diamond only had 8 timers, that is far too few!

Also, one thing that would assist a few users that have overscan issues with their TVs: Reduced CVT blanking for the video output (a.k.a. "CVT reduced blank"). This will only help with a few specific TV models (Sharp in particular) but depending on the video driver used, it should not be hard to include the option. If you are wondering why this is useful, on a few receivers this will cause a "dot by dot" setting to appear in the picture menu, which disable overscan on the display. If you have a Windows-based computer with nVidia graphics, the nVidia driver includes this option. This is a much better way to get rid of overscan than any software overscan compensation scheme, if the TV supports it.

Some TV's have a way to disable overscan that works all the time, and the feature is called by different names, but you have to specifically look for it when you are buying a TV because many models still just don't have it. It's especially important to have when you are running software that has a toolbar or information bar at the very top or bottom of the screen. On a Linux box there are ways to set this up using an xorg.conf file, if that file is supported in that version of Linux.
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Not sure if you want anything more, but I would like to see support for:

DiSEqC 2.x
Bandstacked LNBs
kodaz
A huge honking signal bar , bigger then the micro hd and with a more cut up tone. and available on a tp at any time, not just on an after the scan channel. microhd is not cut up enough at low Q
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
navychop
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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Oh....you were serious
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Hondo is back with a new squad 9/25 only on Starz.


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Never watched the previous shows, so doubtful.
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Started watching yesterday. Not too bad.
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Wife likes it.
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I like Zyra from La Brea (one with the prosthetic).
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren
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Little Bit Of Light - Strange Weather
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A Little Bit of Soap -- The Jarmels
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Give A Little Bit - Supertramp
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Little Wing - Jimi Hendrix
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

Seth Meyers What GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
rvvaquero
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"
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Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
osu1991
long_time_Dish
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
long_time_Dish
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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