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Last reply Mar 3, 2014 · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Netflix throttled on Verizon.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/21/technology/verizon-netflix/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

So it begins...

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Bruce

Feb 21, 2014

During the Day, get full 5800 kbps, 1080P picture, after about 5pm it gets knocked down to at best 1750 kbps and 480P picture, for the info I use the example short that displays the info and I have a Sony 5100 BR player that displays the info.

This only happens on Netflix, never on Vudu.

I have Comcast Extreme 105 so I have plenty of speed, just did a test and am getting 120 down, 25 up and Netflix is at right now the numbers I listed above.

mike123abc

Feb 21, 2014

bruce said:
During the Day, get full 5800 kbps, 1080P picture, after about 5pm it gets knocked down to at best 1750 kbps and 480P picture, for the info I use the example short that displays the info and I have a Sony 5100 BR player that displays the info.

This only happens on Netflix, never on Vudu.

I have Comcast Extreme 105 so I have plenty of speed, just did a test and am getting 120 down, 25 up and Netflix is at right now the numbers I listed above.

All they have to do is not give Netflix the bandwidth needed. Lets say the Netflix connection is limited to 10Gb/sec, when a bunch of users attempt to use Netflix it starts to deteriorate. They could give it a 100Gbit/sec connection, but they want Netflix to pay for it monthly... This is how these games are played. No, the cable company is not throttling Netflix on purpose, they just are not upgrading the link as needed.

riffjim4069

Feb 22, 2014

mike123abc said:
All they have to do is not give Netflix the bandwidth needed. Lets say the Netflix connection is limited to 10Gb/sec, when a bunch of users attempt to use Netflix it starts to deteriorate. They could give it a 100Gbit/sec connection, but they want Netflix to pay for it monthly... This is how these games are played. No, the cable company is not throttling Netflix on purpose, they just are not upgrading the link as needed.

Not responding to your post...just looking at things from "the other side" since so many folks are wanting something for nothing and feel that Verizon and Comcast runs charities and should dole out their infrastructures without compensation. Back to reality....Verizon and Comcast run businesses and have a fiduciary obligation to earn a profit and maximize gains for their shareholders. Most of us probably have cable and telecom stocks in our retirement portfolios.

Folks always have the option of getting video selections delivered via the post office instead of sucking-up all the infrastructure bandwidth the Verizons and Comcasts paid tens of billions of dollars to build, all the while killing performance for other customers who pay just as much for their service, while using it for far-less bandwidth-choking applications like telephone, video games, email and web browsing. Sorry! When I watch Comcast and FiOS VOD I'm streaming video using a separate 6Mhz channels of cable spectrum dedicate for this purpose, for paying customers...instead of clogging the cable headenes and telephone switching offices Internet pipelines with millions of these video streams. I'm all in favor of Netflix paying Cable/Telcos to use dedicated spectrum for steaming video. Oterwise, Netflix customers should get steaming video when it doesn't interfere with Verizon/Comcast's business and technical operations. If they don't like it...customers can sign-up with another Internet provider and/or ask Netflix to build their own fiber/copper network.

I'm being somewhat facetious, but the only way net-neutrality works is if the Internet is regulated. Unfortunately, this means heavily regulated where usage will be metered (and taxed), video will be metered (and taxed again) and online transactions will also be monitored (and taxed, and taxed, and taxed on a federal, state and local level). Then everyone will be crying about the good old days and asking why Netflix, and others, didn't keep their yaps shut and pay their fair-share.

Just my two cents...

jrbdmb

Feb 22, 2014

riffjim4069 said:
Not responding to your post...just looking at things from "the other side" since so many folks are wanting something for nothing and feel that Verizon and Comcast runs charities and should dole out their infrastructures without compensation. Back to reality....Verizon and Comcast run businesses and have a fiduciary obligation to earn a profit and maximize gains for their shareholders. Most of us probably have cable and telecom stocks in our retirement portfolios.

Something for nothing?

I pay quite a bit for my internet service, and I suspect that Netflix pays quite a bit on their end as well. If my usage doesn't cover Comcast's costs, then go ahead and raise rates as needed. But throttling specific services to try and eliminate competition is an entirely different problem.

mike123abc

Feb 22, 2014

riffjim4069 said:
Not responding to your post...just looking at things from "the other side" since so many folks are wanting something for nothing and feel that Verizon and Comcast runs charities and should dole out their infrastructures without compensation. Back to reality....Verizon and Comcast run businesses and have a fiduciary obligation to earn a profit and maximize gains for their shareholders. Most of us probably have cable and telecom stocks in our retirement portfolios.

Folks always have the option of getting video selections delivered via the post office instead of sucking-up all the infrastructure bandwidth the Verizons and Comcasts paid tens of billions of dollars to build, all the while killing performance for other customers who pay just as much for their service, while using it for far-less bandwidth-choking applications like telephone, video games, email and web browsing. Sorry! When I watch Comcast and FiOS VOD I'm streaming video using a separate 6Mhz channels of cable spectrum dedicate for this purpose, for paying customers...instead of clogging the cable headenes and telephone switching offices Internet pipelines with millions of these video streams. I'm all in favor of Netflix paying Cable/Telcos to use dedicated spectrum for steaming video. Oterwise, Netflix customers should get steaming video when it doesn't interfere with Verizon/Comcast's business and technical operations. If they don't like it...customers can sign-up with another Internet provider and/or ask Netflix to build their own fiber/copper network.

I'm being somewhat facetious, but the only way net-neutrality works is if the Internet is regulated. Unfortunately, this means heavily regulated where usage will be metered (and taxed), video will be metered (and taxed again) and online transactions will also be monitored (and taxed, and taxed, and taxed on a federal, state and local level). Then everyone will be crying about the good old days and asking why Netflix, and others, didn't keep their yaps shut and pay their fair-share.

Just my two cents...

The problem is that I have paid Time Warner Cable for a 50mbit connection, and I continue to pay every month. I as a consumer expect them to be able to deliver the content I decide to view at 50mbit/sec. If TWC cannot deliver any service faster than 2mbit/sec, what am I paying them for? Netflix is not attempting to send Cox cable internet subscribers Netflix movies over the TWC internet connections. No, it is trying to deliver content to existing subscribers on the TWC network that have asked for it. The content is delivered using the lines and bandwidth they have paid for. Netflix is not sending unrequested packets.

wa6rht

Feb 23, 2014

Just saw this in the local news regarding the Comcast issue. It also mentions Verizon.

kcra.com/money/Netflix-and-Comcast-strike-deal-to-allow-faster-speeds/24629746

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mike123abc

Feb 23, 2014

Looks like Netflix is going to pay some to Comcast. How much is unknown. The issue looks like that Netflix wanted to house local servers and they need space, electricity and cooling.

Bruce

Mar 3, 2014

bruce said:
During the Day, get full 5800 kbps, 1080P picture, after about 5pm it gets knocked down to at best 1750 kbps and 480P picture, for the info I use the example short that displays the info and I have a Sony 5100 BR player that displays the info. This only happens on Netflix, never on Vudu. I have Comcast Extreme 105 so I have plenty of speed, just did a test and am getting 120 down, 25 up and Netflix is at right now the numbers I listed above.

Follow up-

Now I get a full 5800kbps/1080P picture on any program start up at anytime during the day, no more taking a minute to get up to full speed or getting a crappy sd picture at peak hours, the deal between Netflix and Comcast is working out.

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MorCowbell

Last reply 48 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Saved OTA list on Dish can't be appended

I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?

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dishstaller

Tuesday at 9:42 PM

I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

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MorCowbell

Yesterday at 10:11 AM

Methinks you are wrong, Dishstaller - at least for what I see now..
I so wish that functionality was available ...

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n0qcu

Yesterday at 10:41 AM

dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:11 AM

n0qcu said:
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list

Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.

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MorCowbell

48 minutes ago

You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."

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HipKat

Tuesday at 4:27 PM

Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.

Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 11:24 AM

HipKat said:
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.

Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.

Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 12:14 PM

Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').

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Yespage

Yesterday at 1:31 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.

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HipKat

Yesterday at 8:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

He wants to be Brady

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HipKat

Yesterday at 8:14 PM

meStevo said:
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').

The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans

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gms49ers

52 minutes ago

The NFL, for some time, has protected the marquee quarterbacks. Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow - they all get the calls.
The lower tier QBs don't seem to get the same benefit. For instance, some of the hits that Darnold took from Chicago on Monday night would have been a flag frenzy if any of the marquee QBs were hit like that. And I am not in any way a fan of anything Seahawks related. I am a fan of balanced officiating - and that hasn't been the case for a while.

My team is not immune to this - Fred Warner laid some vicious hits in the Commanders game that I thought should have been flagged - one was, but they picked it up.

Not a good look on NFL officials.

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Monday at 12:22 PM

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Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

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Monday at 1:25 PM

nelson61 said:
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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Nebugeater

Today at 9:12 AM

Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

Just a guess on my part but there may be some value to aquring to get all the retransmision agreements that are in place even though at some point they need to be renewed

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