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According to the brief, "If the transmit clause could be circumvented through the simple expedient of simultaneously supplying each user with a distinct transmission generated from a distinct copy, then cable and satellite companies could potentially devise Aereo-like workarounds of their own, and in the process render the transmit clause a dead letter."
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If it's legal (which I doubt) then I'm creating a virtual sofa, and creating virtual wireless and VPN networks, and selling subscriptions so folks can sit on my virtual sofa to watch HBO, Showtime, ESPN and all the cable channels my guests can view while sitting in my virtual home. The hell with those greedy Cable Monopolies...they can kiss my nutsack, plus, the greedy SOBs will be making money selling more expensive commercial time. I'm not a cable thief, I am a cable industry money-maker. 
Okay, this is virtual nonsense! AEREO is a subscription-based television service who is profiting from violating broadcaster copyrights. I would give AEREO less than a 2% chance of winning this case.
Okay, this is virtual nonsense! AEREO is a subscription-based television service who is profiting from violating broadcaster copyrights. I would give AEREO less than a 2% chance of winning this case.
Your hypothetical is an epic fail riff. There's a big difference between sharing your subscription services with others for a fee and providing people with the means to access something they have a pre-existing right to (OTA broadcasts from their own DMA). (For the sake of simplicity I'll ignore any contract you signed with your provider that explicitly prevents you from doing this since no contracts govern the relationship between OTA broadcaster and viewer.)If it's legal (which I doubt) then I'm creating a virtual sofa, and creating virtual wireless and VPN networks, and selling subscriptions so folks can sit on my virtual sofa to watch HBO, Showtime, ESPN and all the cable channels my guests can view while sitting in my virtual home. The hell with those greedy Cable Monopolies...they can kiss my nutsack, plus, the greedy SOBs will be making money selling more expensive commercial time. I'm not a cable thief, I am a cable industry money-maker.
Not to mention that you're missing the point that each Aereo subscriber has their own individual antenna and remote DVR. Your scenario is a single distribution to multiple people which even if OTA would be illegal.
Funny note about your scenario, the head of HBO or it's parent company (I don't recall precisely) recently encouraged people to share their HBO Go login credentials with friends. If I can find a link to that, I'll edit this post to add it.
Here it is: bgr.com/2014/01/20/hbo-go-login-sharing-policy/ So you can already share your HBO without bothering to set up your virtual sofa!
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There is no logic flaw whatsoever. A copyright violation is a copyright violation is a copyright violation...period. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (Section 207) in conjunction with the FCC Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule (OTARD) permit an individual to erect an OTA antenna on their property (whether owned or leased) in which they have exclusive rights of use, so they (an individual or family) can enjoy broadcast programming in accordance with copyright law and fair use restrictions - signals are not for redistribution without permission from the copyright holders.
AEREO redistributing copyrighted programming, without permission, and profiting from this venture under the guise of setting-up virtual OTA antennas is nonsense. It is a clear copyright violation! To be honest, my creating a virtual network so my guests (a virtual extension of my home) can watch cable programming just like they could could in my physical residence, can be considered less unlawful and less egregious than what AEREO is doing because at least I'm paying the copyright holders something instead of nothing, nodda, zip, nil, diddy-squat. Okay, perhaps I'm being somewhat facetious, but stealing is stealing.
Folks are free to erect an antenna on their own property (be it rabbit ears, attic or rooftop models) and watch broadcast television free-of-charge and in accordance with copyright law. However, if they lease an antenna, through a subscription service like AEREO, that is located elsewhere on not on property they have exclusive use...well, that's a pay television service and AEREO needs to license programming from the copyright holders prior to redistributing these service to customers.
I'll tell you what...I'll buy you a beer if AEREO wins this case.
One thing is for sure...telecommunications laws have not kept pace with the technology.
AEREO redistributing copyrighted programming, without permission, and profiting from this venture under the guise of setting-up virtual OTA antennas is nonsense. It is a clear copyright violation! To be honest, my creating a virtual network so my guests (a virtual extension of my home) can watch cable programming just like they could could in my physical residence, can be considered less unlawful and less egregious than what AEREO is doing because at least I'm paying the copyright holders something instead of nothing, nodda, zip, nil, diddy-squat. Okay, perhaps I'm being somewhat facetious, but stealing is stealing.
Folks are free to erect an antenna on their own property (be it rabbit ears, attic or rooftop models) and watch broadcast television free-of-charge and in accordance with copyright law. However, if they lease an antenna, through a subscription service like AEREO, that is located elsewhere on not on property they have exclusive use...well, that's a pay television service and AEREO needs to license programming from the copyright holders prior to redistributing these service to customers.
I'll tell you what...I'll buy you a beer if AEREO wins this case.
One thing is for sure...telecommunications laws have not kept pace with the technology.Your hypothetical is an epic fail riff. There's a big difference between sharing your subscription services with others for a fee and providing people with the means to access something they have a pre-existing right to (OTA broadcasts from their own DMA). (For the sake of simplicity I'll ignore any contract you signed with your provider that explicitly prevents you from doing this since no contracts govern the relationship between OTA broadcaster and viewer.)
Not to mention that you're missing the point that each Aereo subscriber has their own individual antenna and remote DVR. Your scenario is a single distribution to multiple people which even if OTA would be illegal.
Funny note about your scenario, the head of HBO or it's parent company (I don't recall precisely) recently encouraged people to share their HBO Go login credentials with friends. If I can find a link to that, I'll edit this post to add it.
Here it is: bgr.com/2014/01/20/hbo-go-login-sharing-policy/ So you can already share your HBO without bothering to set up your virtual sofa!
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There is no logic flaw whatsoever. A copyright violation is a copyright violation is a copyright violation...period. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (Section 207) in conjunction with the FCC Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule (OTARD) permit an individual to erect an OTA antenna on their property (whether owned or leased) in which they have exclusive rights of use, so they (an individual or family) can enjoy broadcast programming in accordance with copyright law and fair use restrictions - signals are not for redistribution without permission from the copyright holders.
AEREO redistributing copyrighted programming, without permission, and profiting from this venture under the guise of setting-up virtual OTA antennas is nonsense. It is a clear copyright violation! To be honest, my creating a virtual network so my guests (a virtual extension of my home) can watch cable programming just like they could could in my physical residence, can be considered less unlawful and less egregious than what AEREO is doing because at least I'm paying the copyright holders something instead of nothing, nodda, zip, nil, diddy-squat. Okay, perhaps I'm being somewhat facetious, but stealing is stealing.
Folks are free to erect an antenna on their own property (be it rabbit ears, attic or rooftop models) and watch broadcast television free-of-charge and in accordance with copyright law. However, if they lease an antenna, through a subscription service like AEREO, that is located elsewhere on not on property they have exclusive use...well, that's a pay television service and AEREO needs to license programming from the copyright holders prior to redistributing these service to customers.
I'll tell you what...I'll buy you a beer if AEREO wins this case.
Aereo claims they are renting you the square centimeter of property that your private antenna is sitting on, so it is your rented antenna on your rented property. If you rent your home does that mean you do not have the right to receive OTA?
I still maintain that the case will not be decided on if any particular thing Aereo does is illegal, but if putting it all together creates something new which does infringe. Kind of like if you sold 5 chemicals and a mixer, yes, each chemical is safe and legal to sell. But you sell the 5 chemicals in exact proportions with mixing hardware that creates a chemical weapon, that is not legal to sell.
Sometimes it seems like Network programming gets in the way of locals news coverage....
Sometimes it seems like Network programming gets in the way of locals news coverage....
During storm season, they may as well have the network on PiP they cover it all up with graphics.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
As I said above, and, FWIW, I run Win11 Pro and Arch on separate 250 GB NVME drives, using F8 to select which I boot to, with a 1TB SSD for storage, accessible to both OSs and a third formatted Nvme I want to use to learn Kali. It was much faster to setup Arch than it was to strip down Windows. Windows still takes much longer to boot.
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. 
WTF… …What the Foxbat!Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.
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wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming youWTF… …What the Foxbat!
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
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All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.
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i bought mine straight from dish as it was only $ 100.00 bucks!!! had the protection plan they came out removed and deactivated the 4k joey and activated and installed the joey 4.All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
Apple TV 4K
Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade..
. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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