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snarlyoldman

Last reply Aug 11, 2014 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Why can't I get two DMA's?

Charter, a local cable company in East Tennessee, is able to provide customers locals from two DMA's. Tri-Cities and Knoxville. Why can't Dish do the same? Yes, I know. I can get one using OTA and the other through Dish, but I want to get BOTH through Dish.

Cable can do it but satellite can't?

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cp2k

Aug 8, 2014

The rules for local stations are different for satellite providers than for cable. The FCC has a list of what it calls "Significantly Viewed Locals" for each of the Nielson DMA markets in the nation. These are channels that are outside your actual DMA, but because of geography can easily be received there and are watched by a large number of viewers in your DMA. Cable companies often carry these "Significantly Viewed Stations" on their systems in addition to the assigned affiliates for a DMA.

In my experience I've never seen a cable company carry these outside network channels in HD though, only in SD. Where I'm located in the Greenville-Spartanburg Market some zip codes get some of the Charlotte, NC stations in SD on cable, but not in HD. I guess to protect the assigned network affiliates.

Satellite providers have to go by stricter rules to carry these channels. Dish doesn't offer any of these "significantly viewed channels" but DirecTV does carry some of them in very, very few markets. DirecTV calls them "Neighboring Local Channels" and their availability is usually dependent upon what zip code you are in. I know there is one county near the Georgia/Tennessee line that gets all of the network affiliates from Atlanta and from Chattanooga, TN because of this rule. For a satellite provider to carry these "Neighboring Locals" the channel must be recognized by the FCC as one that is "Significantly Viewed" in that area, and they must compensate the station for these out of market viewers. (usually at 50% of the rate they pay to carry it in market)

cp2k

Aug 8, 2014

In most cases yes, but again that one county in Georgia I used as an example gets the "Big 4" from both DMAs, so there are exceptions

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jscud

Aug 9, 2014

cpalmer2k said:
Dish doesn't offer any of these "significantly viewed channels"

Dish does offer a few SV channels...and some in HD. In all three DMAs in NH, Dish offers WMUR in HD. In the two southern counties of VT, residents receive VT locals in SD plus either the Boston locals in HD or the Albany locals in HD.

Kraven

Aug 9, 2014

A little off topic but theres a house nearby that half of it is in Quebec and the other half in vermont.

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Tampa8

Aug 9, 2014

cpalmer2k said:
In most cases yes, but again that one county in Georgia I used as an example gets the "Big 4" from both DMAs, so there are exceptions

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Do you know what county? And yes, but it still is because of significantly viewed, not really allowing two DMA's. End result in that case still does not give two complete DMA's.

cp2k

Aug 9, 2014

Tampa8 said:
Do you know what county? And yes, but it still is because of significantly viewed, not really allowing two DMA's. End result in that case still does not give two complete DMA's.

I made clear in my original post that these situations were because of "Significantly viewed" locals... Call it what you want, but when you get every affiliate from two markets I'd call that two complete DMAs... sure SV Channels are the reason, but they're there...

In addition to their market locals, they get these SV stations:

Mr Tony

Aug 10, 2014

jscud said:
Dish does offer a few SV channels...and some in HD. In all three DMAs in NH, Dish offers WMUR in HD. In the two southern counties of VT, residents receive VT locals in SD plus either the Boston locals in HD or the Albany locals in HD.

Both of those examples are because of the representatives of those states lobbied to get a law passed that the folks in those states get their locals in addition to what Nielsen said was "their" DMA.

The Vermont example was after dish lost the right to import ANY station not in the market (the rule with dish now is they can only offer an imported station if there is no affiliate in the DMA)

whatchel1

Aug 10, 2014

Iceberg said:
Both of those examples are because of the representatives of those states lobbied to get a law passed that the folks in those states get their locals in addition to what Nielsen said was "their" DMA.

The Vermont example was after dish lost the right to import ANY station not in the market (the rule with dish now is they can only offer an imported station if there is no affiliate in the DMA)

Finally someone came out with the reason. I was gonna say just about this but Iceberg just beat me to it.

dishcomm

Aug 11, 2014

Kraven said:
A little off topic but theres a house nearby that half of it is in Quebec and the other half in vermont.

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Is it this one?.....https://www.google.com/maps/@45.0149337,-72.6730856,166m/data=!3m1!1e3

Kraven

Aug 11, 2014

Nope... ill look it up tonight when I have a moment. the real interesting part is one of the bedrooms is in the "other" country...back in the day when children where born in homes... a few sibblings had different nationalities due to the room they were born in.

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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:47 PM

reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

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reubenray said:
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.

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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Saturday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Yesterday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

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Just ordered one....that's great.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Today at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 5:05 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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HipKat

Today at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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AZ.

Today at 9:02 AM

Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?

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Today at 1:22 PM

HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

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Nominal

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telstar_1 said:
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.

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I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

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