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Shawn95GT
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Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
As many people have noticed, on the Primestar feed arm just slapping a universal LNB on top of the saddle positions the LNB noticably higher than the CM feedhorn. In the 40" C-band thread it looks like some of the guys over there are having the same problem with the larger C-Band LNBs. On my dish the universal sits about 3/8" - 1/2" higher. Obviously using a C120 flanged LNB with the P* feedhorn would be the path of least resistance, but it wouldn't necessarily be the cheapest option.

I've started preparing to swap my existing P* for a new dish which is nearly identical to what it's replacing. I'm only interested is swapping them out because the new dish is in like-new condition where-as the one on the motor right now is cracked in several places. I've also managed to find a paint color that better blends with my brick wall.

I believe the new dish was actually a Starband dish. It is identical to the P* dish except for the mount. The mount on the new dish is skewable. I don't need this so I'm going to re-use the mount from the P* dish to save weight.

As luck would have it, the dish I picked up (this was the $1 ebay one) had the optional mounts for the E* LNBs. These mount very securely and look a lot more professional than my existing hose-clamped setup. Obviously 2 DSS LNBs on a motorized dish is kind of silly so I'll probably saw down the bracket so it is just for 1 extra LNB.

What I was thinking was that since the 'add-on' LNB is mounted VERY secure, maybe I could use a multi-LNB mount from it to hold the 'main' Ku LNB in place. I could saw-off the existing 'too high' saddle which would allow me to get the height perfect with a custom mount hanging from the DSS LNB.

Right now the old dish has a less-than high-tech solution of plumber's tape across the top of the LNB which seems to be doing the job just fine. If the new setup doesn't work out, I could fall back on it :).

Attached are pics of the new arm and the one with the cross-hatch shows what I'm looking at cutting off.

Any comments / suggestions? Anyone else re-engineer the P* feedarm?
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Tron
I wouldn't saw the DBS LNB support arm... I'd leave it just in case you decide to use the dish as a fixed dish someday. Maybe keep the second LNB off of it.

Great paint job, by the way :) As for the feedhorn holder, I guess those are readily available if you'd want to someday put a C-120 feedhorn on there. I would imagine the dish would be much more efficient with the separate feedhorn/LNB combo...

Someday I'll find a feedhorn for my Channel Master, get the Invacom C-120 and that'll be a really nice dish :D
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"I would imagine the dish would be much more efficient with the separate feedhorn/LNB combo..."

Indeed! This is especially true of the oval primestar dishes because of their unique shape and the fact that the F/D ratio of the dish is different horizontally than it is vertically. Remember the feedhorn must be optimised for the F/D ratio of the dish otherwise it either won't fully illuminate the entire dish or will "see" around the edges of the dish and pickup terrestrial interference. With an oval dish like these the F/D ratio is different in one plane than it is in the other. Therefore you need a feedhorn designed the same way. Otherwise you'll either only see a smaller circular portion of the dish or you'll pickup background noise from around the edges of the dish on it's minor axis. I think this is why alot people get different results peformance wise with these dishes. Those who try to use improperly designed feedhorns or LNBF are probably only seeing a small portion of their dish and thus they get the performance of a smaller dish as the F/D ratio of most LNBFs is closer to that of the minor axis of these dishes. On my 40 x 30 primestar, I use a C120 LNB and the original feedhorn, and I can pickup most everything on Ku that anyone else can. The only reception problems I've had with it are at the extreme western end of my arc and that's because I have trees blocking the way.

"Someday I'll find a feedhorn for my Channel Master, get the Invacom C-120 and that'll be a really nice dish"

If this is the 1.0 and 1.2M dish, you can find these feedhorns on Ebay every once in a while. Sometimes they are listed as "Andrew" feedhorns as I believe this was the company that purchased channel master. I believe you can also purchase them at Dave's web shop. There are 2 different feedhorns. There's the corrugated feedhorn and the dual mode feedhorn. As for which performs best I can't really say for certain. I do know that the corrugated feedhorn supposedly covers a wider frequency range. Of course that may not matter for FTA as I believe the addition frequency range is mainly used for data services. Anyway, even if you don't eventually pickup a feedhorn made for your dish, you'll have alot less of an issue with your dish as the F/D ratio of these dishes is around .7 (if I'm not mistaken), which is pretty close to that of most other offset dishes. So, other feedhorns or LNBFs will likely be close enough to matching your dish that you won't suffer as much of performance hit someone using one of those feeds on an oval primestar dish would.

One thing to note is that the most wonderful, miraculous LNB in the world will not make signal out of thin air. First you must catch signal with your dish. Then you must efficently transfer that signal, or as much of it as possible, to the LNB. That's what the feedhorn accomplishes. So, tuning the feedhorn to your dish is important.
Shawn95GT
Well, I've decided to re-concider the C120 flanged LNB.

When I first set up the P* it wasn't really an option since I didn't have the feedhorn for the dish. Since I picked up the nearly identical Starband dish that came complete with the feedhorn etc it is now an option :).

If / when I do get a flanged LNB it'll be interesting to compare the results between the current mis-matched 'universal' LNB and a flanged LNB with the optimized feedhorn.

Stephan - can you get the Virgin Islands NBC 11991 H, SR: 2000 on AMC4 (101w)? If I can get that one I'll be impressed :shocked

Tron - I'll post up a pic of the reflector when I get it put together - it turned out PERFECT. It looks like it came out of the factory that color!
Tron
Great! Looking forward to the pics...

I wish I could find some dishes around the New Orleans area that are unused and need a good home :) I figured out I have room for one or two more fixed ones on my shed roof, and I'd love to have them aimed at my most watched birds...
Gary Toma
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D9S, D16
@103W.... D10, D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​



See also

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Weekly Analysis for 6/10/2026:
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604 Pursuit HD is testing

Women's US Open Out, Men's US Open and World Cup in

The World Cup Bracket on 205-6 and 407-2 will be repurposing CINEHD 154
(There will be a mix on one of the 205s and 407-1)

The Vegas specific slate for KTNV is repurposing Dispute Slide 1 Test 9109
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604 Pursuit HD is testing
Interesting. I remember that being HD-only for a bit a long time ago and then it was back to SD-only.
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Interesting. I remember that being HD-only for a bit a long time ago and then it was back to SD-only.
looking at the old maps, that was from March 2017 to June 2019.
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Starz is apparently dropping all of the west coast feeds of their networks tomorrow. FiOS has already dropped most of the ones they carried and I imagine DirecTV would be affected with STZw on 526 and SENw on 536.
zippyfrog
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Did anyone have a price increase today on their equipment? I own my VIP211k's, and they have been $5.00. My bill that I received last week shows the "add-ons" as being $5.00. However, I just logged into my Dish account, and my "add-ons" are now $10.00. Did the additional receivers go up by $5.00 recently?

As I mentioned, my last bill shows $5.00 and under the notes, nothing is mentioned about a price increase.
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Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
zippyfrog
Apparently it's not an "owned receiver" fee but rather an extension fee that's applied to 2nd and subsequent viewing. Maybe that played into their decision to force a box at every TV- garnering those fees
Possibly. In theory, $9 of the base pack has a rental fee built in. But now is this $5 a chance to get a little more? I don't know for sure. According to chat, it is a glitch and will be resolved in a timely manner, but we shall see. Part of my thinks there is a going to be a new charge, whether it is now or this fall. Here in Illinois, the law requires we are given 30 days notice of any fee changes, but I have not been given anything.

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MikeD-C05
These fees are why streaming has caught on so well across the country and DISH is losing subs each quarter. Soon won't be enough subs to be profitable.
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Does cable charge box rent?
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Does cable charge box rent?
The cable company I was with years ago did charge $9.99 for a receiver.
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Mexico takes on South Africa to open the World Cup Final (it is called the Final... this just isn't the World Cup Final... Final). The tournament has been plagued with rife malfeasance as FIFA has been committing all sorts of fraud with the ticket sales. Hotel rooms have gone unfilled as the prices to attend a game and stay somewhere are through the roof. I swear this is impacting Mansfield, OH hotel rates which are higher than average for the Indycar race. And there is a broadening VAR presence which will ruin things as nothing worse now when scoring a goal and knowing you can't quite celebrate yet as they check to see if a player was offside by a pixel a half-hour ago.

The Group Stage used to mean something, but now 32 of the 48... yeah, 48 teams are going to the Knockout Round. Getting into the Knockout Round used to be a big deal, even for the US. But now... if you don't lose all of your group stage games, you get to move on. Oi! And this is avoiding all the political stuff!

I have never been so unexcited for a World Cup before. Every game used to matter. But FIFA be darned if they don't try to squeeze out every dime they can out of the players, refs, and fans.
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dfergie
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Anybody been following the Tournaments? I've been watching all weekend on the various ESPN's...
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Not a good inning… Kavan coming on could be the nail.
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Better team won tonight…
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Well crap. That wasn't fun. Oh well on to the CFL opener on cbs sportsnet.
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Last weekend I got in on a MLB game top of the 8th 1-1, first thought was extra innings... :D and it actually went extra after the 9th.
Catching a little of the AUSL, something to watch when I can't get into anything else.
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Caught up to the 500... err... k in St. Louis. What a race! Andretti Motorsport were doing very well with Ericsson and Kirkwood, meanwhile Power was moving up the grid. Veekay started cautiously. He was working the tires just right, becoming more lethal later in the stint. Rasmussen was racing likewise, not nearly as insane as he has in the past. Palou was leading the race, in a shocker to all. Caio Collet was having a wonderful ride, making Ferucci potentially sweat a bit. Rain came, rain went, rain came, rain went. Generally mild sprinkles, but enough to pause racing on an oval.

Palou would kind of send Siegel into the wall. Siegel really didn't do much wrong. As he noted, you have to turn at some point. Palou had acres of room below and Siegel might have had his ticket out of Indycar stamped. Dixon was doing the fuel thing and got busted twice by yellows, not pitting before the flag came out. Then the most critical happened... Palou ran out of gas on pit lane, effectively giving Newgarden the race lead and win. Newgarden had a very early pit, so he was able to slide in, get service and go. Meanwhile, everyone else was confused and stuck behind Palou for a bit. Once people figured what was happening, Newgarden had a major advantage of several seconds. Newgarden wouldn't look back and when it went green again, he'd hold the lead for the win.

Massive credit to Juncos Hollinger who bested Penske in getting Veekay out before Malukas in a transition that was oddly bizarre. I haven't had time to check, but I'm wondering if Veekay was about to run out of fuel or cut a tire. He was charging late in a stint, got up to fifth, and then tailed back for a few laps to 10th or 11th. It looked like it was over. Went into the pits, and after the pitting sequence was over, Veekay was well inside the top ten again. It was weird. And he charged, getting up to fourth. He made a late move on Rasmussen, but Rasmussen held his position with some great driving. In fact, there was a ton of incredible racing passing, not passing all race long. Veekay would finish 4th. A podium would have been awesome, but it is a great outcome for a guy who hopefully will get a break with a big team. We saw what Veekay could do with a Honda last season with fuel save, imagine replacing Simpson on Ganassi and having speed to go with fuel saving. His 6th at Indy and 4th at St. Louis get him up to 13th in the points standings and only 5 points outside of the top 10.

Ericsson finished second, resigned to finishing behind the current best in the world guy on a short oval. Rasmussen got the final step on the podium, a nice rebound to what has been an otherwise bad year for him, and a good reward to ECR who just extended his contract.
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They raced USAC cars at Daytona once. Once! People died. Aj Foyt said 'f this', and left after the first go around. AJ freaking Foyt thought it was crazy! And cars weren't nearly as fast as they are now.

I think they tried Talladega once too.
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LeMans qualifying on going. WEC has d9ne a great job expanding the automotive company entries. Even without Porsche, a large nunber of manufacturers.
jcrandall
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum
So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

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Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.
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107 LIVE4K3 and 108 LIVE4K4 are now testing on the stream server
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107 LIVE4K3 and 108 LIVE4K4 are now testing on the stream server
Happy to see that DTV Stream will finally line up fully with the DTV Satellite 4K content and Channel Guide.
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107 LIVE4K3 and 108 LIVE4K4 are now testing on the stream server
They turned them on today !
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They turned them on today !
I see in the 4K Channels Guide that the Telemundo WC games will be airing in 4K. I believe this is the first time ever we will have Spanish-language broadcasts in 4K (in the USA). Did not happen during the last World Cup in Qatar 2022.
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4K telemundo working !

406 still SD here in Norfolk Va 📡
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Time After Time - Cyndi Lauper
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Right on Time - Brandi Carlile
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I Can't Help It (If I'm Still In Love With You) - B.J. Thomas
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