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This is sort of a poll. Everyone list the channels they feel are just a waste of satellite bandwidth. Channels that we all could easily live without and feel there are much better channels out there that could make better use of the bandwidth this channel is wasting.
First on my list is, you guessed it.. The Bingo Channel!
First on my list is, you guessed it.. The Bingo Channel!
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Great "poll". Here's my list -- will Charlie listen?
Ok, first some comments, to keep the flames down
First, I don't know if and how much bandwidth the "Let's advertise DISH on a DISH channel so that DISH customers know that DISH is available if they want to sign up for DISH" channels take up. But if they are taking up anything, get rid of them. WE ALREADY HAVE DISH.
Second, I listed channels that I do not watch, and have never watched. I am not necessarily indicating that they are without merit, just that I have no interest in them. If enough people do want them, I have no problem with them staying on the air. Just like there are people who have no need for sports realize that a reasonable number of sports channels helps keep the subscription numbers up at the critical mass.
Third, education, religion and shop-at-home channels -- isn't one or two of these enough? I realize that they are free or no cost to Charlie, but they take up bandwidth (that is the point of this thread, isn't it?). I would rather have the channels empty than put in free junk that nobody watches. That way, there is clearly space for adding new "compelling" programming, instead of all of us wondering where it will fit.
Fourth, comments on individual channels or groups --
I see little need for all of the educational channels. We watch BYUTV on a regular basis. I think that we are not alone in this. What type of viewership is there for the other channels? If I were told that only 200 or 300 people had ever turned on BYUTV, I would expect it to go away. Any channel should face the same scrutiny. Maybe I am underestimating the viewership on the edu channels. If so, my apologies, and may they ever broadcast! But if not, see my third point (keep them empty).
I have great respect for those who provide or watch the religious channels. But do we need all of them? I have not spent much time watching them, but see the need for one or two. But we currently have 4. If the viewership of these channels is below a certain level (I don't have a specific number in mind), cut off the two that have the lowest viewership.
Music channels. Do we need 20 stereo and 20 mono? Get rid of half of them. We only listen to the Holiday Music channel during December. Other than that, we never listen to any of them. We would rather listen to our own CDs and get a much better sound. And do we need 2 different VH1 and 2 MTV channels? Isn't one of each enough?
There are a bunch of sports alternative channels. Get rid of them. If something is blacked out locally, do what the locals do. Watch Oprah.
Shopping channels. One or two is enough. My wife enjoys watching QVC. But she has never been able to stomach more than a few minutes on any one of the others. Get rid of most of these. Even if QVC is the lowest rated, get rid of it, and keep only the top one or two.
News channels. Not going to start a flame war over FOX vs. CNN vs. MSNBC. Keep them all. But do we really need CSPAN 2, or CNBCW? And I think that HNN has worn out its welcome. The other channels and the internet have made it irrelevant. Nobody keeps it on all day. And for quick update I would rather get on the web.
Science channels (oh boy). I am not necessarily for getting rid of all of them. We don't watch them, but can see the value. If there are enough viewers for each individual channel, keep it. But if there are some that do not have enough viewers, kick it out.
Childrens channels -- same question, do we need all of them? Aren't there enough. And yet I see posts on this forum that want even more! I think we have at least 4 or 5 too many. Let the ratings decide.
Sports -- Although I am sports junkie, I think that there are some that could go. Get rid of 2 or three (plus the alternates). Clean out the non-watched channels to make more room for HD.
Enterntainment -- I have no problem with any of these, but we just don't watch them. If we are in the minority, keep the channel. If nobody else is watching it either, get rid of it. These are going to be purely subjective, and each is so different, that I am not claiming that they are redundant like the religious or shopping channels. As above, let the ratings decide.
OK, here is my list. A total of 90 channels. We could fit some "compelling" new stuff on these spaces.
System
9900 - D500
103 - ONPPV
BTV
9612 - BTV
9611 - BTV
9602 - BTV
9601 - BTV
Education
9415 - FSTV
9412 - UCTV
9411 - NAUHS
9410 - LINK
9409 - RFDTV
9408 - DSTAR
9407 - COLRS
9404 - UWTV
9402 - PBS-U
9401 - HITN
9400 - RSRCH
Mono music
923 : 946 - AUD01 : AUD19
Sports alternates
448 - ALT4
447 - ALT3
446 - ALT2
445 - ALT1
Religious channels
264 - WISDM
262 - ANGEL
261 - EWTN
260 - TBN
Shopping channels
229 - ISHOP
228 - SHNBC
227 - ACN
225 - TBFC
224 - SAH
223 - HLC
222 - HSN
221 - STUFF
219 - MALL
218 - MENS
News
212 - CSPN2
207 - CNBCW
202 - HNN
Science
195 - DWINGS
194 - DHOME
193 - SCIEN
192 - DTIME
191 - TECH
190 - RLTY
189 - DHLTH
Junk (?)
188 - SOAP
Childrens programming
179 - DKIDS
177 - NICKG
175 - BOOM
169 - NOGIN
167 - GAC
Music
163 - VH1CL
161 - MTV2
158 - FUSE
Sports
151 - OLN
149 - FOXWD
146 - ESPN2A
145 - ESPNA
139 - DSTOP
Entertainment
135 - BBC
133 - FOXMO
132 - TCM
131 - IFC
128 - WE
124 - BET
121 - HISTI
115 - STYLE
114 - E!
112 - HGTV
111 - DIY
110 - FOOD
Remember, I am not saying that all of these are useless or unneeded. Just that these are satellite channels that we have never watched. If they went away, we would not cry. But if there are many others that do, I am happy to support their desire to keep it on the air.
- martincva
Ok, first some comments, to keep the flames down
First, I don't know if and how much bandwidth the "Let's advertise DISH on a DISH channel so that DISH customers know that DISH is available if they want to sign up for DISH" channels take up. But if they are taking up anything, get rid of them. WE ALREADY HAVE DISH.
Second, I listed channels that I do not watch, and have never watched. I am not necessarily indicating that they are without merit, just that I have no interest in them. If enough people do want them, I have no problem with them staying on the air. Just like there are people who have no need for sports realize that a reasonable number of sports channels helps keep the subscription numbers up at the critical mass.
Third, education, religion and shop-at-home channels -- isn't one or two of these enough? I realize that they are free or no cost to Charlie, but they take up bandwidth (that is the point of this thread, isn't it?). I would rather have the channels empty than put in free junk that nobody watches. That way, there is clearly space for adding new "compelling" programming, instead of all of us wondering where it will fit.
Fourth, comments on individual channels or groups --
I see little need for all of the educational channels. We watch BYUTV on a regular basis. I think that we are not alone in this. What type of viewership is there for the other channels? If I were told that only 200 or 300 people had ever turned on BYUTV, I would expect it to go away. Any channel should face the same scrutiny. Maybe I am underestimating the viewership on the edu channels. If so, my apologies, and may they ever broadcast! But if not, see my third point (keep them empty).
I have great respect for those who provide or watch the religious channels. But do we need all of them? I have not spent much time watching them, but see the need for one or two. But we currently have 4. If the viewership of these channels is below a certain level (I don't have a specific number in mind), cut off the two that have the lowest viewership.
Music channels. Do we need 20 stereo and 20 mono? Get rid of half of them. We only listen to the Holiday Music channel during December. Other than that, we never listen to any of them. We would rather listen to our own CDs and get a much better sound. And do we need 2 different VH1 and 2 MTV channels? Isn't one of each enough?
There are a bunch of sports alternative channels. Get rid of them. If something is blacked out locally, do what the locals do. Watch Oprah.
Shopping channels. One or two is enough. My wife enjoys watching QVC. But she has never been able to stomach more than a few minutes on any one of the others. Get rid of most of these. Even if QVC is the lowest rated, get rid of it, and keep only the top one or two.
News channels. Not going to start a flame war over FOX vs. CNN vs. MSNBC. Keep them all. But do we really need CSPAN 2, or CNBCW? And I think that HNN has worn out its welcome. The other channels and the internet have made it irrelevant. Nobody keeps it on all day. And for quick update I would rather get on the web.
Science channels (oh boy). I am not necessarily for getting rid of all of them. We don't watch them, but can see the value. If there are enough viewers for each individual channel, keep it. But if there are some that do not have enough viewers, kick it out.
Childrens channels -- same question, do we need all of them? Aren't there enough. And yet I see posts on this forum that want even more! I think we have at least 4 or 5 too many. Let the ratings decide.
Sports -- Although I am sports junkie, I think that there are some that could go. Get rid of 2 or three (plus the alternates). Clean out the non-watched channels to make more room for HD.
Enterntainment -- I have no problem with any of these, but we just don't watch them. If we are in the minority, keep the channel. If nobody else is watching it either, get rid of it. These are going to be purely subjective, and each is so different, that I am not claiming that they are redundant like the religious or shopping channels. As above, let the ratings decide.
OK, here is my list. A total of 90 channels. We could fit some "compelling" new stuff on these spaces.
System
9900 - D500
103 - ONPPV
BTV
9612 - BTV
9611 - BTV
9602 - BTV
9601 - BTV
Education
9415 - FSTV
9412 - UCTV
9411 - NAUHS
9410 - LINK
9409 - RFDTV
9408 - DSTAR
9407 - COLRS
9404 - UWTV
9402 - PBS-U
9401 - HITN
9400 - RSRCH
Mono music
923 : 946 - AUD01 : AUD19
Sports alternates
448 - ALT4
447 - ALT3
446 - ALT2
445 - ALT1
Religious channels
264 - WISDM
262 - ANGEL
261 - EWTN
260 - TBN
Shopping channels
229 - ISHOP
228 - SHNBC
227 - ACN
225 - TBFC
224 - SAH
223 - HLC
222 - HSN
221 - STUFF
219 - MALL
218 - MENS
News
212 - CSPN2
207 - CNBCW
202 - HNN
Science
195 - DWINGS
194 - DHOME
193 - SCIEN
192 - DTIME
191 - TECH
190 - RLTY
189 - DHLTH
Junk (?)
188 - SOAP
Childrens programming
179 - DKIDS
177 - NICKG
175 - BOOM
169 - NOGIN
167 - GAC
Music
163 - VH1CL
161 - MTV2
158 - FUSE
Sports
151 - OLN
149 - FOXWD
146 - ESPN2A
145 - ESPNA
139 - DSTOP
Entertainment
135 - BBC
133 - FOXMO
132 - TCM
131 - IFC
128 - WE
124 - BET
121 - HISTI
115 - STYLE
114 - E!
112 - HGTV
111 - DIY
110 - FOOD
Remember, I am not saying that all of these are useless or unneeded. Just that these are satellite channels that we have never watched. If they went away, we would not cry. But if there are many others that do, I am happy to support their desire to keep it on the air.
- martincva
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The sports alternate channels are when more than one sports team is on a RSN. Another is when a RSN covers more than on state. Perfect example is FSN N (436)..It covers both MN & WI. MN can see only MN sports (Wolves, Wild, and up until the end of last year, the Twins). WI can only see the Bucks & Brewers. When the Bucks & Brewers are on FSN, they are on Sports Alt 2 (446). The main channel (436) has whatever is on in MN.
These are FCC mandated Public Interest channels. Each provider has to set a specific amount of channels aside for PI channels.
I personally like GAC (for the Grand Ole Opry) and VH1CL (although MuchMoreRetro on ExpressVu blows this channel out the door). MTV2 for the Headbangers Ball (boy there's a clash..Headbangers ball & Grand Ole Opry)
martincva said:
The sports alternate channels are when more than one sports team is on a RSN. Another is when a RSN covers more than on state. Perfect example is FSN N (436)..It covers both MN & WI. MN can see only MN sports (Wolves, Wild, and up until the end of last year, the Twins). WI can only see the Bucks & Brewers. When the Bucks & Brewers are on FSN, they are on Sports Alt 2 (446). The main channel (436) has whatever is on in MN.
These are FCC mandated Public Interest channels. Each provider has to set a specific amount of channels aside for PI channels.
agreed on these...
These stations pay to get their programming on Dish...also helps keep our bill down
I personally like GAC (for the Grand Ole Opry) and VH1CL (although MuchMoreRetro on ExpressVu blows this channel out the door). MTV2 for the Headbangers Ball (boy there's a clash..Headbangers ball & Grand Ole Opry)
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) and PPVs can use their normal channel for the off-air slate. The NBA and NHL package channels also need one slate channel each package, and the alt-sports can use their own bandwidth.
All the Musak/DishCD channels are on 119 and 9900 (the only slate I know of other than above) is on 110. So the audio isn't directly shared.
Still, the 9900 channel seems to be the only card channel left that needs bandwidth that isn't already reserved for when the channel is on-air. I am suprised that there is no 104 card for BingoTV to advertise it. Low bandwidth, and they could flip to it's full signal (shared with an internal channel) for the two hours it is needed).
JL
I haven't seen a slate in a while. The ones I used to see were "Business TV" or PPV that was off the air. BTV now shares channels with shopping channels (no bandwidth waste, other than that implied in shopping channelsmattb said:
) and PPVs can use their normal channel for the off-air slate. The NBA and NHL package channels also need one slate channel each package, and the alt-sports can use their own bandwidth.All the Musak/DishCD channels are on 119 and 9900 (the only slate I know of other than above) is on 110. So the audio isn't directly shared.
Still, the 9900 channel seems to be the only card channel left that needs bandwidth that isn't already reserved for when the channel is on-air. I am suprised that there is no 104 card for BingoTV to advertise it. Low bandwidth, and they could flip to it's full signal (shared with an internal channel) for the two hours it is needed).
JL
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So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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I remember this in the news too...
www.nbcnews.com
$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone
A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.
www.nbcnews.com
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.I remember this in the news too...
$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone
A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.
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I haven't posted in almost 17 years. Over the air, sat, offline, anything-but-the-internet is still one of my avid pursuits. Been playing with offline tv viewing and offline web browsing. I have great appreciations for this site still being here. It's so hard to find public communities that haven't sold out to social media company.
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Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank 
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Take the cover off, show me pics of the board of the bad one and also the bottom of the board. I'm an old hardware electronics tech plus a satellite dealer; I fixed a lot of FTA and regular receivers. I may be able to fix it for you. And yes, they got hit by lightning; it's best to email me the pics at diamondsatellite@snet.net or call me at 203-232-8888. I give you a 50-50 chance of fixing it; I do have spare parts. my phone is a fliptop phoneHello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank
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More room for the return of the Plague & Pestilence?
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a good surge protector will help to.Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank
