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I'm still exploring moving from TWC to Dish. Currently waiting for confirmation of DSL speeds from Windstream which could kill the deal if not adequate. But anyhoo...

I was reading the Disney/XD thread, where apparently at least some Disney channels aren't being offered in HD. That makes me wonder if there are other significant gaps in Dish's HD coverage? In other words, are there 'major' channels, that are typically available in HD (such as I have now with TWC) that are not available in HD through Dish?

I'm looking to get the Top 250 lineup, to effectively give me what I have with TWC, and cover a few channels we want that aren't available in the Top 200.

I've found what seems to be conflicting information from different channel lineups on Dish's website, making it difficult to answer this question. I'd hate to make the switch, and discover significant gaps in HD coverage.

Thanks.

Don
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Scherrman
I'm still exploring moving from TWC to Dish. Currently waiting for confirmation of DSL speeds from Windstream which could kill the deal if not adequate. But anyhoo...

I was reading the Disney/XD thread, where apparently at least some Disney channels aren't being offered in HD. That makes me wonder if there are other significant gaps in Dish's HD coverage? In other words, are there 'major' channels, that are typically available in HD (such as I have now with TWC) that are not available in HD through Dish?

I'm looking to get the Top 250 lineup, to effectively give me what I have with TWC, and cover a few channels we want that aren't available in the Top 200.

I've found what seems to be conflicting information from different channel lineups on Dish's website, making it difficult to answer this question. I'd hate to make the switch, and discover significant gaps in HD coverage.

Thanks.

Don

I have Windstream for internet and I don't have any complaints. I'm able to get up to 12Mbps but most people in my town are only able to get 6Mbps. Here at work I believe we only have 3Mbps and it works just fine.
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I have Windstream for internet and I don't have any complaints. I'm able to get up to 12Mbps but most people in my town are only able to get 6Mbps. Here at work I believe we only have 3Mbps and it works just fine.

Doing a little more digging on Windstream's DSL delivery in general, and their reputation looks relatively bad (although, as with everything else, those with problems are going to be doing the posting, not those who are happy with the service). DSL Reports has many Windstream reviews, and very few are compliementary.

BBB's website has this to say about Windstream:

According to BBB files, Windstream Communications, Inc. has a pattern of consumer complaints alleging slow or inferior Internet speeds. Consumers typically allege that the Internet speeds provided by Windstream are slower than those advertised by the company and that attempts to resolve Internet speed issues directly with the company are unsuccessful.

Windstream has responded to some complaints stating that it cannot guarantee error-free, uninterrupted service and that service performance will vary based on factors such as computer member, age of the computer, and Internet congestion. The company has responded to other complaints by stating that it is aware of Internet traffic issues in a consumer's area and that it is working diligently to resolve Internet speed issues by installing new equipment and system upgrades.

Windstream has responded to BBB request for a response to the allegations presented by consumers by explaining on-going upgrades that include a combination of network equipment supported by copper-fed and fiber-fed wires, depending on the location of the customer. In 2013, Windstream spent approximately $80M to upgrade and plans to upgrade approximately 85% of its customers.

Windstream states that in an effort to address the other 15% of their customers in copper-fed areas, they have applied for funding from the FCC for funds from Connect America Fund (CAF) and plans to match this funding to support projects for under-served areas to begin construction in early 2015.

Customers who will not benefit from upgrades will be given option of migrating to satellite broadband or Internet Access, which utilizes copper-fed areas. Internet Access is provisioned at 1Mbps, is an "AS-IS" services and is sold at a $7.50 discount.

BBB has seen a decrease in complaint volume since meeting with Windstream regarding these specific issues.

This is pretty worrisome. TWC has been pretty fast and dependable for these past 3 years, with a rare outage, and decent response to problems.

Decisions...decisions...
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I'm exploring the cost differences. I currently have TWC for TV, Internet and Phone, with a recently re-negotiated monthly cost of $130 (guaranteed for a year).

Dish, by itself, AT250, 1 Hopper, 1 SuperJoey, 1 Joey, would be $70 plus taxes/fees. TWC Internet and Phone has to be less than $60 to avoid my monthly costs going up. I'm doubtful I can get that, but will see what they can do.

(Ironically, my TWC Internet connection has out of nowhere become flaky - modem resetting every few minutes. This, fortunately, is a rare occurrence.)

The cabling issue is another consideration - both Dish and TWC will want to use the existing cabling. Will one end up having to set up a new set of cabling? We need 3 primary TV connections, and 2 others for some kind of minimal access (possibly mirrored).
KAB
KAB
TWC Internet and Phone has to be less than $60 to avoid my monthly costs going up.
Well, you surely will be saving money on the TV end with Dish, no? Rob Peter's savings to pay Paul's excess.
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Well, you surely will be saving money on the TV end with Dish, no? Rob Peter's savings to pay Paul's excess.

Not really.

Currently, $130/month with TWC for phone, TV, Internet.

If I switch to Dish for TV, it's $70/month + fees/taxes, leaving $60 or so for internet/phone.

The "problem" is that my renegotiated rate with TWC for all 3 bundled services is pretty darn good, so achieving the same cost with 2 (or even 3) different providers for these services will be difficult.
KAB
KAB
Not really.

The "problem" is that my renegotiated rate with TWC for all 3 bundled services is pretty darn good, so achieving the same cost with 2 (or even 3) different providers for these services will be difficult.
Which begs a question that I don't recall you addressing...why do you want to switch?
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Which begs a question that I don't recall you addressing...why do you want to switch?

Yes - an important question.

Initially I was looking for overall cost savings when TWC was about to raise my rates significantly. That led me to look at all my options for all 3 services. I then called TWC back, indicating that I could duplicate their services for $130/month with Windstream/Dish, and they basically ended up matching it. Locked in for a year, with no contract.

But in the course of the research, I came to like the flexibility of the Hopper/SuperJoey/Joey technology, with the built-in Sling, and that led me here. I like the integrated approach of the DVR system, with the 5 tuners. We currently have 3 separate DVR's, and this becomes somewhat cumbersome at times. Then you add Sling into the mix, and it became quite attractive.

The more I read about Windstream in particular, the more reluctant I would be to rely on that for my Internet. So that left me with keeping TWC for internet/phone, and doing Dish separately, but this may not be cost effective.

Of course, yet another option would be to purchase one of the Sling products, and just add that to my TWC setup. Not exactly the same as having it built-in, and it doesn't solve the integrated DVR approach, but it certainly would be the simplest solution.

Don
Scherrman
Doing a little more digging on Windstream's DSL delivery in general, and their reputation looks relatively bad (although, as with everything else, those with problems are going to be doing the posting, not those who are happy with the service). DSL Reports has many Windstream reviews, and very few are compliementary.

BBB's website has this to say about Windstream:



This is pretty worrisome. TWC has been pretty fast and dependable for these past 3 years, with a rare outage, and decent response to problems.

Decisions...decisions...

Well I don't have many options. We have Windstream, Mediacom, Prairie iNet, and satellite internet. I've had Mediacom and the price and speed was good but their service is terrible.
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Well I don't have many options. We have Windstream, Mediacom, Prairie iNet, and satellite internet. I've had Mediacom and the price and speed was good but their service is terrible.

Understood. Many of the complaints I read were from people who also had no other practical choices for broadband.

My comments were not meant to disparage Windstream, but I read enough to persuade me that, as stated above, it would be a step backward for me to go from my fairly reliable and fast TWC to DSL. But clearly, it works quite well for many (most?) people; glad you're in that group!
ncted
You get what you pay for. In my estimation, the Internet service is the only one worth paying for from TWC. You can always try Windstream to see if you like it. If not, cancel and switch back. TWC usually has win-back promotions for former customers. Also, check with your neighbors to see if any have Windstream and like/dislike it. Windstream does have many paying customers, so it must be working well for plenty of people. My parents switched to Frontier to save money over TWC on Internet, and they are perfectly happy with it, despite it's otherwise poor reputation. Either way, Dish is light years ahead of TWC when it comes to the user experience. Navigator is a steaming pile of poo.
KAB
KAB
I had DSL with AT&T, and it was quite "squarely" to what I have now (Uverse which I know is not an option for you).
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
dishstaller
Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
Anony55
Unless things have changed at Dish, which is entirely possible, they won't activate the 211, even as a replacement. I gave one to a customer a while back....which when I turned it off I made sure to tell the CSR I wanted it freed up so another customer could use it, I was assured it was.....and when they called to swap out there's they were told it couldn't be done. Now like I said, things MIGHT HAVE CHANGED.
It hasn't changed. When I cancelled my service the other day, they told me I didn't need to return the receiver (which I already knew because I purchased it).

But in addition to that, the young man told me not to sell it, but to take it to a recycling place. The reason he gave for the advice was because 211Ks can no longer be activated.

So as far as the VIP211k goes... once grandpa dies, he's dead.
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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dishstaller
I really dislike change for the sake of change
dishdude
I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
Yes a lot cleaner, glossier, and less functional. Someone trying to justify why they are making a big salary. "See look shiny"
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navychop
"Big salary." Charlie. "?Big?"
Tampa8
Seems in some ways better. Nicer layout, as others said maybe cleaner. Moving ahead in the guide is better.
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Foxbat
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
ncted
Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
ncted
apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
I assume you mean services, like iCloud and Apple Music, and not actual software sales. Services have been growing quickly for Apple, but hardware still brings home the bacon. As for where Apple's revenue comes from, the iPhone is still king with 49.58% of revenue as of June 2026. Services comes in second with 28%. iPad, Mac, and Wearables/Home makes up the rest. So, that is 72% coming from hardware. Their profit margin is around 25%, FWIW.

I am skeptical the AppleTV 4k makes them much money on the hardware though, which I suspect is what you were getting at.
ncted
What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
You should have looked in the APP STORE instead. ;)
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Will do!
cpdretired
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Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
look again mine says free for 1 month
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look again mine says free for 1 month
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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Almighty1
look again mine says free for 1 month
You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Almighty1
wonder why it says that
Answer 2 minutes ago from DISH Care via Facebook Messenger:
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osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
dishstaller
Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
TheRatPatrol
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
Jimbo
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.