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AM21 Hiding Channels

I hooked up my AM 21 Tuner to my HR-24 DVR and could not get the new local channels like Antenna TV so I used a different secondary market and that worked for all of them except channel 2.3 which it shows after you have finished running the setup under edit channels option on the HR-24 but does not show in the guide and you cannot find the channel or go to it. I live in the Utica, NY market which has a channel 2 and 3 on Directv. Perhaps not enough separation for the AM21 Tuner? Has anyone seen this before?


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I use my city's primary zip code, and I use a nearby city as my secondary zip code. I scan and get stations from both, but do not get all of the sub stations. As an example, I get 9.1 and 9.2 but I do not get 9.3. I can get that when I scan on an antenna input on my TV. There are also stations that I do not get at all with the AM21 that I get on my TV input.
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mpinales said:
I use my city's primary zip code, and I use a nearby city as my secondary zip code. I scan and get stations from both, but do not get all of the sub stations. As an example, I get 9.1 and 9.2 but I do not get 9.3. I can get that when I scan on an antenna input on my TV. There are also stations that I do not get at all with the AM21 that I get on my TV input.
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For the AM21 to pick up 9.3 in your instance, you have to match a secondary zip code that either has a 9.3 channel in it OR a matching .3RF channel. For instance, lets say your 9.3 channel is 9.3 RF25. You look for a any zip that has a 9.3 channel in it. OR a zip that has a .3RF25 channel in it. Any channel number will work as long as it's .3 RF25. Matching that way any channel 3.3 RF25, 23.3 RF25, 64.3 RF25 will work. This gives you the flexability to try and match the guide to your local channel. Lets say your local 9.3 is metv, if you can find a metv on either another 9.3 or a .3RF25 in another zip code the guides will match. I'm in the MPLS/STP market, I use Weslaco TX to get 5.3 METV in my market with a matching guide. I also use Little Rock AR 7.3 RF22 to get 23.3 RF22 in my market, because Little Rock carries GRIT on 7.3 matching my 23.3 local GRIT station. I use Atlanta GA to get 11.3 Justice Network which matches my local 11.3 Justice Network to get the correct guide on that channel. So by using 3 different secondary zips and matching to cities that carry the same channel, I get 5.3,11.3 and 23.3 in MPLS/STP with the correct guides in my AM21. Channels that are not in D* database for MPLS/STP.
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What is the website to match OTA from different areas? I live in Des Moines and I would love to be able to add the sub channels that are here since D* won't do it.
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I did a quick study. According to what I see 8.3 RF8 Heroes and Icons, 13.3 RF13 AntennaTV, and 17.3 RF16 GRIT are not in the database for Des Moines. By looking quickly I don't think you can match any of the channels to get the correct guide on any of them. But by running Fargo ND (58102) as a secondary zip you should pick up all 3 channels with incorrect guides. You should be able to view and record, but you will have the Fargo guide on all 3 channels, which is incorrect for all 3 channels.
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coconut10 said:
I did a quick study. According to what I see 8.3 RF8 Heroes and Icons, 13.3 RF13 AntennaTV, and 17.3 RF16 GRIT are not in the database for Des Moines. By looking quickly I don't think you can match any of the channels to get the correct guide on any of them. But by running Fargo ND (58102) as a secondary zip you should pick up all 3 channels with incorrect guides. You should be able to view and record, but you will have the Fargo guide on all 3 channels, which is incorrect for all 3 channels.
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Hey coconut, can you tell me the websites or whatever you use to research this? I want to do this for myself in case any new stations show in my area. I don't want to rely too much on you or anyone here (unless I absolutely need to), but thanks for the past help, BTW.
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Hey coconut, can you tell me the websites or whatever you use to research this? I want to do this for myself in case any new stations show in my area. I don't want to rely too much on you or anyone here (unless I absolutely need to), but thanks for the past help, BTW.
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Hey coconut, can you tell me the websites or whatever you use to research this? I want to do this for myself in case any new stations show in my area. I don't want to rely too much on you or anyone here (unless I absolutely need to), but thanks for the past help, BTW.
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The DBSTalk website gives you the D* database of channels for the AM21. I like to use the RabbitEars.info website for any given cities channel lineup and to find what channel and RF channel station affliates are being broadcast on. I use the www.zip-codes.com/ website to look zip codes up for any city. Plus you can also go to any station (METV, AntennaTV) etc. on Wikipedia and learn about where the affliates are being carried.
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The DBSTalk website gives you the D* database of channels for the AM21. I like to use the RabbitEars.info website for any given cities channel lineup and to find what channel and RF channel station affliates are being broadcast on. I use the www.zip-codes.com/ website to look zip codes up for any city. Plus you can also go to any station (METV, AntennaTV) etc. on Wikipedia and learn about where the affliates are being carried.
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Hey coconut (sorry haven't been here in a while) I went to the dbstalk website and can't find it. Could you provide a link? BTW, do you have a zip code for Twin Cities station WCCO 4.2 Decades station (preferably Decades itself)? You probably already have that zip code.
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Hey coconut (sorry haven't been here in a while) I went to the dbstalk website and can't find it. Could you provide a link? BTW, do you have a zip code for Twin Cities station WCCO 4.2 Decades station (preferably Decades itself)? You probably already have that zip code.
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Actually, now that I did the research, I have a zip code for 4.2 WCCO! Not the right guide data but it works! It takes a while to go through the list (I wish it was in some particular order, such as alphabetically), but anyways I got it done! I thought it'd be really hard, but it's really simple! Thanks for all your help coconut, but I think now if new channels show up I can do it on my own with this info you guys gave me!
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Actually, now that I did the research, I have a zip code for 4.2 WCCO! Not the right guide data but it works! It takes a while to go through the list (I wish it was in some particular order, such as alphabetically), but anyways I got it done! I thought it'd be really hard, but it's really simple! Thanks for all your help coconut, but I think now if new channels show up I can do it on my own with this info you guys gave me!
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Here's a little trick I use to my advantage. Since there are no zip codes to match 4.2 in the Twin Cities to get the correct Decades guide I use a zip with a guide that is useful to me. In this instance I use Greenville SC (29601) to get 4.2 in my DVR/AM21. Greenville carries MOVIES on 4.2 and that puts the Movies guide in my DVR. Movies is carried on 9.3 in the Twin Cities and you can get 9.3, but there is no way to get the Movies guide on that channel. So this is the next best thing by putting a guide in my DVR albeit on a different channel. I use Sacramento CA (94203) to get the Decades guide in my DVR. My antenna picks up the low power stations of 25.1 RF25 Telemundo and 25.2 RF25 DRTV broadcast out of the Twin Cities, since Sacramento carries Decades on 13.2 RF25 my AM21 picks that channel up and puts the Decades guide on 25.2 for me. Not a perfect scenario, but at least you can reference a guide for the channel (Decades). I have 3 channels with guides on different channels. Like I say, not the way it should have to be, but better than nothing.
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Here's a little trick I use to my advantage. Since there are no zip codes to match 4.2 in the Twin Cities to get the correct Decades guide I use a zip with a guide that is useful to me. In this instance I use Greenville SC (29601) to get 4.2 in my DVR/AM21. Greenville carries MOVIES on 4.2 and that puts the Movies guide in my DVR. Movies is carried on 9.3 in the Twin Cities and you can get 9.3, but there is no way to get the Movies guide on that channel. So this is the next best thing by putting a guide in my DVR albeit on a different channel. I use Sacramento CA (94203) to get the Decades guide in my DVR. My antenna picks up the low power stations of 25.1 RF25 Telemundo and 25.2 RF25 DRTV broadcast out of the Twin Cities, since Sacramento carries Decades on 13.2 RF25 my AM21 picks that channel up and puts the Decades guide on 25.2 for me. Not a perfect scenario, but at least you can reference a guide for the channel (Decades). I have 3 channels with guides on different channels. Like I say, not the way it should have to be, but better than nothing.
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Thanks for the input coconut! 25.1 and 25.2 are La Crosse, WI channels for me, but that little tidbit will help a lot!
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edisonprime said:
Thanks for the input coconut! 25.1 and 25.2 are La Crosse, WI channels for me, but that little tidbit will help a lot!
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La Crosse's channel 25.1 and 25.2 are broadcast on RF17. So it wouldn't work to use Sacramento. It works for the Twin Cities because 25.1 and 25.2 are broadcast on RF25 and the .2RF25 from Sacramento's 13.2 matches that and hence the AM21 will pick it up and put it in the DVR as channel 25.2 KOVR with Sacramento's guide (Decades) on the channel.
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La Crosse's channel 25.1 and 25.2 are broadcast on RF17. So it wouldn't work to use Sacramento. It works for the Twin Cities because 25.1 and 25.2 are broadcast on RF25 and the .2RF25 from Sacramento's 13.2 matches that and hence the AM21 will pick it up and put it in the DVR as channel 25.2 KOVR with Sacramento's guide (Decades) on the channel.
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I meant I receive La Crosse's 25.1 and 25.2 off my antenna, so I will never pick those 25's from the Twin Cities market. It's too weak anyways.
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For the AM21 to pick up 9.3 in your instance, you have to match a secondary zip code that either has a 9.3 channel in it OR a matching .3RF channel. For instance, lets say your 9.3 channel is 9.3 RF25. You look for a any zip that has a 9.3 channel in it. OR a zip that has a .3RF25 channel in it. Any channel number will work as long as it's .3 RF25. Matching that way any channel 3.3 RF25, 23.3 RF25, 64.3 RF25 will work. This gives you the flexability to try and match the guide to your local channel. Lets say your local 9.3 is metv, if you can find a metv on either another 9.3 or a .3RF25 in another zip code the guides will match. I'm in the MPLS/STP market, I use Weslaco TX to get 5.3 METV in my market with a matching guide. I also use Little Rock AR 7.3 RF22 to get 23.3 RF22 in my market, because Little Rock carries GRIT on 7.3 matching my 23.3 local GRIT station. I use Atlanta GA to get 11.3 Justice Network which matches my local 11.3 Justice Network to get the correct guide on that channel. So by using 3 different secondary zips and matching to cities that carry the same channel, I get 5.3,11.3 and 23.3 in MPLS/STP with the correct guides in my AM21. Channels that are not in D* database for MPLS/STP.
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You are my evening hero. Thanks for the legwork. Also from the TC area, have you setup a secondary for 5.6 that works for you? Thanks again!!
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:welcome to Satelliteguys TKO-Rock!
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I get 5.6 THIS in my AM21, but it is a very unique way that probably won't work for anybody in the Twin Cities. I live 58 miles from the Shoreview towers. I live 41 miles from the Mankato/ST James towers. The Mankato tower broadcasts repeater stations of the Twin Cities stations. KSTC 5.6 is broadcast on RF45 out of the Twin Cities. Mankato broadcasts KSTC 5.6 on RF44. The AM21 database has NO MATCH for a 5.6 or a .6 RF45 channel. BUT, 52.6 RF44 WKON out of Cinncinati OH matches the .6 RF44 of the repeater station out of Mankato, which my antenna receives about 80% of the time. So by running Cinn. OH (45201) as a secondary zip code my AM21 will put 5.6 WKON in my DVR. This is contingent upon the channel (KSTC 5.6 RF44 out of Mankato tower) being received at the time the AM21 scans for its channels. It works and gives me 5.6 THIS in my DVR. The guide is wrong, but I can configure to get the THIS guide in my DVR albeit on a different channel. Like I stated before 5.3, 11.3, 23.3 are available in the Twin Cities with an AM21, with the right guides by using Weslaco TX (78520), Little Rock AR (72201), and Atlanta GA (30301) as secondary zip codes, I use Cinn. also to get 5.6 THIS. But I'm sure that won't work in the Twin Cities area, as you can't receive the transmissions from the Mankato tower
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I get 5.6 THIS in my AM21, but it is a very unique way that probably won't work for anybody in the Twin Cities. I live 58 miles from the Shoreview towers. I live 41 miles from the Mankato/ST James towers. The Mankato tower broadcasts repeater stations of the Twin Cities stations. KSTC 5.6 is broadcast on RF45 out of the Twin Cities. Mankato broadcasts KSTC 5.6 on RF44. The AM21 database has NO MATCH for a 5.6 or a .6 RF45 channel. BUT, 52.6 RF44 WKON out of Cinncinati OH matches the .6 RF44 of the repeater station out of Mankato, which my antenna receives about 80% of the time. So by running Cinn. OH (45201) as a secondary zip code my AM21 will put 5.6 WKON in my DVR. This is contingent upon the channel (KSTC 5.6 RF44 out of Mankato tower) being received at the time the AM21 scans for its channels. It works and gives me 5.6 THIS in my DVR. The guide is wrong, but I can configure to get the THIS guide in my DVR albeit on a different channel. Like I stated before 5.3, 11.3, 23.3 are available in the Twin Cities with an AM21, with the right guides by using Weslaco TX (78520), Little Rock AR (72201), and Atlanta GA (30301) as secondary zip codes, I use Cinn. also to get 5.6 THIS. But I'm sure that won't work in the Twin Cities area, as you can't receive the transmissions from the Mankato tower
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Got it. Well, thanks anyway. I'm in the East metro so that certainly would not be the right fit for my situation. Thrilled that I get 5.3, 11.3, and 23.3 now though! Thanks again.
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New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade
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No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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This Week in Space 232

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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Tim Cook, Elton John & King Charles: A Royal Tech Event

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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Watch the New Tesla Roadster Jump, Fly and Barrel-Roll in Mid-Air!

Time for another AWESOME video from TFL Electric Vehicles!


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The Apple HomeView

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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Frisco King - Paramount Plus


View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Trailer for new Jim Caviezel movie Ghost Soldier

Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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Project Hail Mary

If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!


View: https://youtu.be/m08TxIsFTRI



Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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'It Is Time Go!' — Project Hail Mary Is Officially Coming to Prime Video

Amazon has confirmed that Project Hail Mary will be coming to Prime Video.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
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"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
www.ign.com

'It Is Time Go!' — Project Hail Mary Is Officially Coming to Prime Video

Amazon has confirmed that Project Hail Mary will be coming to Prime Video.
www.ign.com www.ign.com
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That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
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meStevo said:
.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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