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I'm about to get back to the 10' SAMI that I got back in January.
Before I get too much farther along, do I need to investigate a different wiring scheme or will I need to add power to the system?
Here is a diagram of what I currently have (30W is separate because of LOS issues):
This is what I am looking at doing in the interim:
Eventually, this is what I am looking to setup (or thereabouts) later:
Any thoughts or input would be greatly appreciated.
Before I get too much farther along, do I need to investigate a different wiring scheme or will I need to add power to the system?
Here is a diagram of what I currently have (30W is separate because of LOS issues):
This is what I am looking at doing in the interim:
Eventually, this is what I am looking to setup (or thereabouts) later:
Any thoughts or input would be greatly appreciated.
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Good news, everyone! I was able to get back to doing some tests and have something worth reporting, the HH-120 has been externally powered...
First, a few photos of what hasn't worked, without choke coils and with choke coils on the external power side:
In the above photos, tests were conducted with a Manhattan RS-1933 and an Amiko Mini HD SE. Power supplies from laptops, 18v cordless drill batteries, Directv 21v power supply and 9v batteries hooked in series with 22khz tone pass.
In the meantime, I researched a lot and took a few additional looks at the photos Qwert1515 posted in the thread external power to a HH motor
I decided to try a bit of an alternative route, though essentially the same design.
The new design is 8-inches of coax with a section of shielding cut out at approximately the middle to expose the center conductor. On each end of the two coax, the black jacket has been cut away and a piece of telephone wire (orange/pink wire) tied to connect ground to each end of the coax. The green wires are additional telephone wire, with extra length in case needed. The green wires have been tied to the coax braid shield and connect the ground together on each length of coax. At the center of the coax, I used a 1.0K-250v capacitor (1.0uf) that I had used in my first trials with this. Power is a Directv 21v (20.5v on voltmeter) SWM power supply.
An Amiko HD SE was used for these tests using USALS. As I just got the receiver and do not have it fully set up, only three positions were tested this evening (97W, 95W and 87W). With each test, the dish moved to the appropriate location.
View of external power supply with splitter. Sat meter side is to HH-120 motor; coax with green tape is to LNBF on dish with other end to receiver. Motor output port is not used.
View of capacitor used. This is the same capacitor I used with the project at the start in the 'project box'.
View of device with tape measure for reference.
View of 22khz pass through on external power side of device connected to HH-120.
Test results have the dish moving to the appropriate location with the 20.5v from the power supply. Tests have been run with 20'-25' (approximate lengths) of coax to motor and dish. If necessary, I may make another splitter with longer lengths prior to the insertion position of the capacitor. I'm lead to believe the proximity of the coax to each other contribute to the 22khz pass via 'capacitance of a pair of parallel wires'. More tests are planned with the current splitter setup to see if it'll work okay on longer coax runs.
First, a few photos of what hasn't worked, without choke coils and with choke coils on the external power side:
In the above photos, tests were conducted with a Manhattan RS-1933 and an Amiko Mini HD SE. Power supplies from laptops, 18v cordless drill batteries, Directv 21v power supply and 9v batteries hooked in series with 22khz tone pass.
In the meantime, I researched a lot and took a few additional looks at the photos Qwert1515 posted in the thread external power to a HH motor
I decided to try a bit of an alternative route, though essentially the same design.
The new design is 8-inches of coax with a section of shielding cut out at approximately the middle to expose the center conductor. On each end of the two coax, the black jacket has been cut away and a piece of telephone wire (orange/pink wire) tied to connect ground to each end of the coax. The green wires are additional telephone wire, with extra length in case needed. The green wires have been tied to the coax braid shield and connect the ground together on each length of coax. At the center of the coax, I used a 1.0K-250v capacitor (1.0uf) that I had used in my first trials with this. Power is a Directv 21v (20.5v on voltmeter) SWM power supply.
An Amiko HD SE was used for these tests using USALS. As I just got the receiver and do not have it fully set up, only three positions were tested this evening (97W, 95W and 87W). With each test, the dish moved to the appropriate location.
View of external power supply with splitter. Sat meter side is to HH-120 motor; coax with green tape is to LNBF on dish with other end to receiver. Motor output port is not used.
View of capacitor used. This is the same capacitor I used with the project at the start in the 'project box'.
View of device with tape measure for reference.
View of 22khz pass through on external power side of device connected to HH-120.
Test results have the dish moving to the appropriate location with the 20.5v from the power supply. Tests have been run with 20'-25' (approximate lengths) of coax to motor and dish. If necessary, I may make another splitter with longer lengths prior to the insertion position of the capacitor. I'm lead to believe the proximity of the coax to each other contribute to the 22khz pass via 'capacitance of a pair of parallel wires'. More tests are planned with the current splitter setup to see if it'll work okay on longer coax runs.
Test results from today.
Used the power inserting splitter and the Amiko Mini HD SE in the shop near the motorized dish. Ran the dish from 72W to 127W and scanned each position. Nothing unusual was noted.
While scanning, made a second splitter with much longer lengths of coax prior to the insertion point of the capacitor. This splitter did not work, but showed 22khz pass on the external power side.
With a poor result from the longer splitter, it was cut down and made into another splitter slightly longer than the one in the post above using a 1.5uF. J -250v capacitor. This second splitter also worked at the test bench (20'-25' from motor/dish). Photo below with previous splitter:
View of capacitor on second splitter:
The main test:
Receiver in house to Amiko 8/1 Diseqc switch, 100' of coax to splitter insertion point in shop and then another 20'-25' to HH-120.
Test 1) First splitter used. Manhattan RS-1933 receiver used. 22khz tone at satellite meter, but no dish movement.
Test 2) Second splitter used. Same parameters as above, with no motor movement using the Manhattan. 22khz tone was shown on satellite meter.
Test 3) Second splitter used, but with Amiko HD SE receiver. 22 khz tone on satellite meter. Satellite dish motor moved to all positions selected.
Conclusion:
No idea why the splitter works as desired with the Amiko but not the Manhattan. As the Amiko is being worked into the setup and the motor load has been taken off the receiver and 8/1 switch, I'm going to call this wiring job a success...
Used the power inserting splitter and the Amiko Mini HD SE in the shop near the motorized dish. Ran the dish from 72W to 127W and scanned each position. Nothing unusual was noted.
While scanning, made a second splitter with much longer lengths of coax prior to the insertion point of the capacitor. This splitter did not work, but showed 22khz pass on the external power side.
With a poor result from the longer splitter, it was cut down and made into another splitter slightly longer than the one in the post above using a 1.5uF. J -250v capacitor. This second splitter also worked at the test bench (20'-25' from motor/dish). Photo below with previous splitter:
View of capacitor on second splitter:
The main test:
Receiver in house to Amiko 8/1 Diseqc switch, 100' of coax to splitter insertion point in shop and then another 20'-25' to HH-120.
Test 1) First splitter used. Manhattan RS-1933 receiver used. 22khz tone at satellite meter, but no dish movement.
Test 2) Second splitter used. Same parameters as above, with no motor movement using the Manhattan. 22khz tone was shown on satellite meter.
Test 3) Second splitter used, but with Amiko HD SE receiver. 22 khz tone on satellite meter. Satellite dish motor moved to all positions selected.
Conclusion:
No idea why the splitter works as desired with the Amiko but not the Manhattan. As the Amiko is being worked into the setup and the motor load has been taken off the receiver and 8/1 switch, I'm going to call this wiring job a success...
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So, the detection of 22kHz is helpfull, but still no guarantee that motor is moving.... eek!
Why did you chose the short parallel-cables version, instead of the little box you had earlier?
I would like to understand why your new setup is working (and why the longer parallel cables didn't work?). Sometimes success is in little details; but which details in this case, and why?
Strange that it only works with your Amiko, but not with the Manhattan.
Greetz,
A33
Why did you chose the short parallel-cables version, instead of the little box you had earlier?
I would like to understand why your new setup is working (and why the longer parallel cables didn't work?). Sometimes success is in little details; but which details in this case, and why?
Strange that it only works with your Amiko, but not with the Manhattan.
Greetz,
A33
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So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks
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All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
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Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.
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