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Dish Continues to Lose Pay-TV Subscribers

Dish Continues to Lose Pay-TV Subscribers http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dish-continues-lose-pay-tv-160602110.html
T-Mobile–Dish Network Merger Update..(Continued from Prior Part)..Dish's shrinking pay-TV subscriber base..In the previous parts of this series, we learned about some of the benefits that Dish (DISH) would get from a merger with T-Mobile (TMUS). We learned that Dish could gain access to the fastest-growing US postpaid subscriber base—and that much of this base is made up of high-value postpaid phone users. The T-Mobile merger would also give Dish the opportunity to use the wireless carrier's expertise to deploy service on its spectrum holdings. This would be particularly significant for Dish considering its dwindling base of pay-TV subscribers.
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50 to 60 competitors for Dish, times are changing, what must Dish do to break out from the pack?

At the same time, Ergen sees the number of options available to customers continuing to expand. Whether it's more stand-alone OTT services or services offered by competing pay-TV providers, the Dish CEO sees competition continuing to grow. "10 years ago, he had three options," he told analysts. "Today he's got four or five or six options, and he's going to have 50 or 60 options in the future probably."

Sling TV is the company's best hedge against the growing competition, but it's not enough to hedge the losses of its old satellite business.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...etworks-total-subscribers-now-include-sl.aspx
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50 to 60 competitors for Dish, times are changing, what must Dish do to break out from the pack?

At the same time, Ergen sees the number of options available to customers continuing to expand. Whether it's more stand-alone OTT services or services offered by competing pay-TV providers, the Dish CEO sees competition continuing to grow. "10 years ago, he had three options," he told analysts. "Today he's got four or five or six options, and he's going to have 50 or 60 options in the future probably."

Sling TV is the company's best hedge against the growing competition, but it's not enough to hedge the losses of its old satellite business.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...etworks-total-subscribers-now-include-sl.aspx
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I like this article ,because it shows us where old Charlie's head is at. He sees the market is changing and will keep changing and growing providing us with even more choices as a customer. But with the growth of choices ,there will continue to be less subs for the satellite part of DISH. IF DISH would find a way to provide the satellite sub with a way to watch their service, without all the extra miscellaneous FEEs, like the dvr fee, the additional receiver fees -assigned by different classes of receivers, they might see that more subs would stick around. After all , it hasn't just been the channel providers who have hiked their fees every year, it continues to run neck and neck with old Charlie and their various made up ,charge it because we can DISH fees. You can literally pay almost as much in fees as the lower programming packs if you have the hopper and the super joey and a couple of joeys and the dvr fee.

Imagine if Charlie decided to include the price of one joey at $7.00 with the hopper and did away with the $12.00 dvr fee? That would eliminate about $19.00 worth of fees . Now imagine you lowered the price of the other joeys down to $5.00 OR charge gradual fees that reduce the price as you add more receivers? Think what that would make the customer think about their DISH service. They would really think that they had something of value and what a deal. This is already happening with his latest new customer promo where you lock in the low price of $49.99 a month for two years and no dvr fees , no local fees, no hd fees etc.

IF DISH could add to that value by providing even smaller bundles of channels and eliminate the forced bundling of ESPN and the Regional Sports network in all lower programming packs , they might even keep more customers from cord cutting and trying the many growing alternatives to traditional satellite /cable bundles with all those extra FEES.

Charlie sees the writing on the walls ,but does he really have the vision to make the changes, that will keep customers with his more expensive satellite business. I would hate to think of all the money he has invested in all those satellites in space and all those receivers and the fact he is losing subs every quarter now. Even if he adds the Sling subs into his numbers ,they are still showing losses.
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With both those being about ATT and DTV, shouldn't you post them over there? There is not a single bit about that that is related to Dish. I hate to break the news, but they are two separate companies that have two separate agendas, and have two separate target audiences.
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Willh699
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It not just Dish that is losing customers, it's all cable TV and satellite providers. High prices for some channels, newer generations of TV viewers want to watch TV on the networks terms (I call it on demand/DVR generation), cord cutters, and of course disputers over long term carraige of channels where money and the weak link channels in the bundle and ditigal streaming rights are the sticking point. The cable/satellite TV bubble has just burst, the pay TV recession has just getting started.

Maybe the providers will take a hint, it's time to change the models if business, adapt to the times and adapt to A La Carte model to where we decide what channels we want to pay for, not the providers and the networks. And offer new technology and be more customer friendly.
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Willh699 said:
It not just Dish that is losing customers, it's all cable TV and satellite providers. High prices for some channels, newer generations of TV viewers want to watch TV on the networks terms (I call it on demand/DVR generation), cord cutters, and of course disputers over long term carraige of channels where money and the weak link channels in the bundle and ditigal streaming rights are the sticking point. The cable/satellite TV bubble has just burst, the pay TV recession has just getting started.

Maybe the providers will take a hint, it's time to change the models if business, adapt to the times and adapt to A La Carte model to where we decide what channels we want to pay for, not the providers and the networks. And offer new technology and be more customer friendly.
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It is a great time to be on the consumer end of things!

All of the interconnectivity with the web will be great!

50 to 60 competitors entering the market.

Cable bundle dissolving right before our very eyes.

Dish is needing to release their" thin client" here soon to stay relevant, it appears these units will basically be a cellular receiver(cell phone) and a landline broadband connection with all of the tuners, dvr's and other functions residing in the cloud, (no more set top boxes to install) this will greatly reduce cost for the provider and hopefully trickle down to the consumer.

Will they have to have 2 seperate thin clients for the people that still have no LTE cell or a broadband cable,fiber into their homes? One that would get a signal from the old school Dish mounted on their roof? Or, will they be stuck with the old legacy equipment we have now?

I firmly believe that 39.99 will provide everything I want to watch on TV in the very near future VS. the 80.00 dollars plus I am paying now.
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It is a great time to be on the consumer end of things!
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Really? SlingTV is the only nationally available option right now for something like this.

Cable bundle dissolving right before our very eyes.
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And Cable/FIOS companies being sued by the channel providers.

Dish is needing to release their" thin client" here soon to stay relevant,...
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You mean other than SlingTV?
I firmly believe that 39.99 will provide everything I want to watch on TV in the very near future VS. the 80.00 dollars plus I am paying now.
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I'm happy for you.
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MikeD-C05 said:
Imagine if Charlie decided to include the price of one joey at $7.00 with the hopper and did away with the $12.00 dvr fee? That would eliminate about $19.00 worth of fees . Now imagine you lowered the price of the other joeys down to $5.00 OR charge gradual fees that reduce the price as you add more receivers?
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Personally I like that Dish doesn't force people that only have one receiver to subsidize those that think they should be allowed to have 3 of the best receivers on the market for very little to nothing at all.

IF DISH could add to that value by providing even smaller bundles of channels and eliminate the forced bundling of ESPN and the Regional Sports network in all lower programming packs...
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Why is Dish being mentioned there? It isn't Dish who is trying to keep it together. Disney bundling is caused by Disney, not Dish.
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Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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Almighty1
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This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
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Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.
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look again mine says free for 1 month
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slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month
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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that
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look again mine says free for 1 month
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You have a different offer that is free for a shorter timeframe which is different than the one that I and bnewt saw without defining the promotion period as I sent the question to DISH Care via Facebook Messenger and this is the response I got back 20 minutes ago.

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Am I the only one that hates what Dish did to their mobile app?

I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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I like the new look, it's a lot cleaner. I'm using it on one of those Onn streaming devices when I travel.
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New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
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they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade
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No. Makes me wonder if that is Apple or the carrier. I am on pre-paid, so I never get "an upgrade." I still have my old iPhone 11 Pro as a second line, and it runs iOS 27 just fine. My iPhone Air, which is still a current model, doesn't really seem that much faster in regular use. It is better in other ways, and worse in some ways than the 11 Pro (size), but performance really isn't a big differentiator, especially since I replaced the battery in the 11 Pro. If I had gotten enough storage when I originally bought the 11 Pro, it could still be my primary device with no issues.
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Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!
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Yeah, they boot up a bit slower than Roku, but the OS does a lot more, so it makes sense. How often are you booting them up that is a differentiator? Aside from OS updates, mine are on all the time. I will say the ATV4K is generally quicker than the Roku Ultras I have, when it comes to launching apps and responsiveness, not that the Roku is sluggish.
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apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while
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What software? For iPhones? I tried to buy some image s/w IN THE APPLE STORE! They had none, and could not offer ANY s/w for iPhones
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This Week in Space 232

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Edq2eavsQ


Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Space 232
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Tim Cook, Elton John & King Charles: A Royal Tech Event

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oRVxjGm0qtE


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Watch the New Tesla Roadster Jump, Fly and Barrel-Roll in Mid-Air!

Time for another AWESOME video from TFL Electric Vehicles!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyF_RH1m0mc


Direct YouTube Link - Watch the New Tesla Roadster Jump, Fly and Barrel-Roll in Mid-Air!
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The Apple HomeView

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View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0k5iT-OlpdE


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Frisco King - Paramount Plus


View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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View: https://youtu.be/RHYQYYm5jLM?is=cwxm9t1efsWNl6yy


December 18, 2026 Paramount plus
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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NCIS

Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Tony as the director.🙄
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Howard Simmons said:
Tony as the director.🙄
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Trailer for new Jim Caviezel movie Ghost Soldier

Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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