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I have been using satsignature.com for looking at spectrum plots. The spectrum is displayed in dBm. Can I estimate a peaks CNR (or maybe it's SNR) by dividing the height of a peak by an estimate of the height of the noise near it?

For instance, a peak maxes out at -65 dBm starting from a baseline of -75 dBm for a difference of 10 dBm. Near this peak there is noise that varies from -74 to - 76 dBm for a difference of 2 dBm. Would a crude estimate of the CNR be 10 / 2 = 5? Even If this is correct I'm not sure whether it's a CNR or SNR.

Furthermore, I would like to be able to decide what size dish they are using on a particular satellite by maybe comparing an estimate of my CNR (or SNR) to what I see on their dish. That way I could possibly decide whether I should be able to receive a particular feed on my puny 7.5' dish by looking at their plot. Any way to maybe do that?

For instance, if it turns out that I estimate they have a 10' dish (twice the area of mine) then I think I would subtract 3 dB from any CNR/SNR that I calculate from their spectrum plots to crudely approximate my expected CNR/SNR. Or am I just way out in left field?

Your take on this would be appreciated.

DRCars
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DRCars
Thanks Cham. Yes, those are strong, even on my puny dish. All I really hope to accomplish with this crude method is to know whether or not to try to tweak and peak a signal to get it above threshold. Kind of like asking if other people are able to get a signal, except I would ask satsignature.us.

Found an occasional feed on G3 where the "little white ball being knocked about" feeds are. They usually use DVB-S2 8PSK and I think FEC 3/4. The crude satsignature CNR analysis showed it to be about 10 dB (maybe 10.5). If they use a 10' vs. my 7.5' dish then 10-3=7 dB (at most 7.5 dB). Blind scan found it but didn't have enough quality to show it. To get it I would need at least 7.9 dB if it's a FEC 3/4 feed. If higher FEC it would require even more.

This crude technique seems to be producing somewhat predictable results. At least I know I probably won't be getting this G3 feed even by tweaking (which I did to no avail).

Edit: I've been referring to satsignature.com part of the time. It will have you go to satsignature.us .

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Thanks Cham. Yes, those are strong, even on my puny dish. All I really hope to accomplish with this crude method is to know whether or not to try to tweak and peak a signal to get it above threshold. Kind of like asking if other people are able to get a signal, except I would ask satsignature.us.

Found an occasional feed on G3 where the "little white ball being knocked about" feeds are. They usually use DVB-S2 8PSK and I think FEC 3/4. The crude satsignature CNR analysis showed it to be about 10 dB (maybe 10.5). If they use a 10' vs. my 7.5' dish then 10-3=7 dB (at most 7.5 dB). Blind scan found it but didn't have enough quality to show it. To get it I would need at least 7.9 dB if it's a FEC 3/4 feed. If higher FEC it would require even more.

This crude technique seems to be producing somewhat predictable results. At least I know I probably won't be getting this G3 feed even by tweaking (which I did to no avail).

Edit: I've been referring to satsignature.com part of the time. It will have you go to satsignature.us .

DRCars
I think you just subtract the carrier level from the noise next to it. You subtract because everything is in dB(m)
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I think you just subtract the carrier level from the noise next to it. You subtract because everything is in dB(m)
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I checked satsignature.us and saw the signals you and other posters were talking about. I think you can have satsignature.us lock to a certain carrier by texting your parameters and provide you with carrier parameters as well as antenna size they used to lock. Will try to find that text number and share it.
DRCars
I think 323-452-6022 for "Carrier Monitoring" and 323-673-2478 for "MMS Plts" , but I don't have a cell phone, believe it or not, so I don't know how/if they work.

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DRCars
I think you just subtract the carrier level from the noise next to it. You subtract because everything is in dB(m)
I think you mean subtract the noise from the carrier level ? That would make sense.

I also was not accounting for the ~3 dB loss in EIRP for c-band G16 and G3 from here to the west coast (I think that's where they are). Also, I have been told that they are probably 4.5 m (14.6') dishes. I think the 3 dB EIRP difference was made up for by assuming ~3 dB less antenna size (10' instead of 14.6'). Compensating errors .

I think I've starting polishing an anvil, but I am getting a feel for what I will likely be able to lock on my dish vs. what the satsignature.us plots are showing.

Edit: Chated with satsignature.us "John" and he says the G16 and G3 dishes are 4.5 m and are in L.A., CA. All their dishes are at least 4.5 m and they have some in Phoenix, AZ also.

Thanks guys,

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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
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Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


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BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
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"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
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.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
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Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


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