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KE4EST
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The below is from Syed's( Outernet ) Blog post this morning: http://blog.outernet.is/lantern-update/


Lantern Update from Syed Karim, Outernet CEO
30 September 2015 on Lantern
tldr: Yes, we're late--and very sorry about it, but we're still hard at work and making steady progress. We hope that you agree with us that the results will be well worth the wait and we very deeply appreciate your patience and support. Although delivering Lantern consists of much more than just the physical device, you can see the final design of the main Lantern component on GitHub.

Sections:

  • Unrealistic Timeline
  • This is Where We are Today
  • Improved Look of Lantern
  • Flexible (and Increased) Content Delivery
  • Delivery Date
  • Better Communication
Dear IndieGoGo Backers,

To restate the obvious, yes, we are late. We are not proud of this fact and we are all working very hard to deliver your Lanterns as soon as humanly possibly. The only thing I can say is that making hardware is, well, hard.

Although Lantern can be simplified as just a couple of circuit boards inside of a plastic box, the reality is that there are quite a few moving pieces (some in space) to produce--even though nothing inside Lantern actually moves. In order for Lantern to function as more than just a solar-powered paperweight, we needed to tick off a fairly complicated laundry list of tasks, such as:

  • acquiring satellite capacity (done)
  • sending content streams to various teleports (done)
  • fine-tuning broadcast servers and data carousels (done)
  • locating a very specialized antenna (done)
  • developing a high bitrate and low bitrate datacasting client (done)
  • delivering global data delivery over DVB-S
  • creating custom firmware (90% done)
  • selecting a contract manufacturer (90% done)
  • designing an end user interface (continuously improving)
  • building a suitable plastic enclosure (99%)
Although you do not yet have your Lantern in hand, we have come a long way. Remember, Outernet is not just about one product; it's about the notion of universal information access. Your generous support and continued patience is helping us turn this idea into reality. Thank you.

So, first things first:

We Were Unrealistic in Our Timeline
tldr: We have learned from our own campaign and from watching others; super conservative delivery timelines are better than overly optimistic ones.

I want to first give a little context for our IndieGoGo campaign. When we first posted the campaign we promised our initial backers delivery of Lantern in July 2015. As the campaign grew in popularity beyond our expectations, we pushed this back to August 2015, September, and then October--and so on. Looking back, we should have been much more conservative from the onset, as we had an incredible task list to complete in a half-year.

Take a look at the Nebia shower, a very popular Kickstarter campaign that grabbed numerous headlines this month. From the date their campaign closed on September 11, 2015 they promised their first backers a delivery date in May of 2016 - that's eight months later. By comparison, we estimated that the first Lanterns would begin shipping just seven months after our campaign closed.

Nebia also raised $3 million and sold over 10,000 shower heads on Kickstarter, meaning they can go into high volume production right away. While we far exceeded our initial IndieGoGo goal, we aren't yet large enough to capture the efficiencies of scale.

I point this out because it is an important lesson we have learned. While the development of a shower head may have relatively few dependencies and complexities, Nebia did a far better job than we did of setting a realistic timeline.

Although a fluid delivery schedule is part of the crowdfunding process, we certainly could have done a better job of estimating and communicating. I apologize to all of our backers for any frustration we have caused and sincerely appreciate the patience and continued support.

This is Where We Are Today
tldr: The core Lantern design has been open sourced (like 99% of what we produce) and added to GitHub.

The Lantern compute board, which is the heart of the device, went through a second and final design revision in August and September. The first iteration functioned as intended - which means that we successfully installed the firmware from Lighthouse onto the board - but there were a few power issues that needed to be addressed.

V1, as we refer to the board, comes complete with a DVB-S2 tuner, Wi-Fi module, and charging circuit for a lithium iron phosphate battery. It is derived from the Beaglebone Black and, like its older brother, is fully open source. You can find all of the project files on Github. A comprehensive description of the board will be added to the Outernet Wiki in the coming weeks.

Modified Industrial Design
tldr: Design revised to account for a single solar panel, larger antenna size, and better reception quality.

The design of Lantern has changed for a few reasons. Before I go into them, please have a look at the new design:

Lantern pictured in our IndieGoGo campaign:
Lantern-on-brick.jpg


Updated form factor of Lantern:

fin6.jpg


Dimensions (approx): 4" x 8.5" x 1.75". Please note that the color of the case is not finalized.

The first thing you might notice is the reduction of solar panel surface area. There are a few reasons for this:

1. We are on Earth, not Tatooine.

tatooine.jpg
The original design had four solar panels at 90° from one another. As much as we all liked the design, it would only be truly useful on a planet with multiple sources of light. For use on Earth, this earlier design was overly complex and inefficient.

2. Antenna Size and Orientation.
IMG_5969.JPG
The antenna for receiving Lantern's L-band signal is larger than we originally envisioned. The power available to us on the satellite ended is less than what we were hoping for. In order to compensate for a weaker signal, we needed to increase the surface area of the antenna.

3. Signal Interference.
Since solar panels are not RF transparent and would interfere with reception, we needed to move the panel completely out of the way of the larger antenna. We toyed with putting the antenna on the opposite side of the panel, but this option would not allow for simultaneous charging and reception. We also experimented with a folding design, but field experience in developing countries--where spare parts are rare--reinforced simplicity in product design.

Flexible (and increased) Content Delivery
tldr: Silver lining of our delay: the ability to occasionally increase data over 10 MB per day.

The delay in Lantern production from our target date has led to one very important and significant improvement. Instead of offering a fixed 10 MB per day that we gradually increase over time, we will now be able to variably increase the total amount of content delivered per day. For example, a global movie night where everyone votes on and receives a free movie for a Friday night? From the islands of Alaska to the bush in Australia, this is now possible.

Delivery Date
The ultimate question: When will you receive your Lantern?

Since I have been wrong about the ship date on more than one occasion, I would like to start under promising and over delivering, rather than the other way around. By the end of this month, we should have our first complete unit. From there we will produce 10 additional units and then another 50. These initial units will undergo user and performance testing. To keep you up-to-date with our progress, we will update you with testing results and videos of field performance.

By the end of November, we should have received all of the components that are necessary for larger production runs. If all prototype hardware performs without problems, then our target is to ship all Lanterns that are subsequently produced. At first this will be small runs of 10, 50, and 100 at a time, with manual quality assurance and testing. Once the assembly process has been optimized and automated testing is in place, production runs will increase to 1000, 5000, and 10,000 units.

--

What we're building here is more than just a physical product; we're realizing the notion that information access is a fundamental human right. The delivery of Lantern, and with it, the ability to receive the Outernet service, fulfills not only your order, but our promise to build Humanity's Public Library.

You backed Outernet, which allows us to offer everyone in the world a basic level of news, information, and education. We thank you for that, as well as your continued patience.

Again, I apologize for the delay in delivering your Lantern.

Better Communication
The team and I apologize that we have not been the best at communicating the progress of the project. From here on out, we pledge to provide biweekly updates, even if the update isn't particularly interesting.

In the meantime, if you have questions, you can reach us at "hello at outernet.is". Please allow us some time to respond, as our small team receives a large volume of email on a daily basis.

If you'd like to ask me questions directly, please join my AMA (Ask Me Anything) on October 6, 2015 at 11AM Chicago time (CST): https://www.reddit.com/r/ama. If you have never participated in an AMA before, I suggest visiting the link in advance and joining another AMA. Don't worry, they are very easy to join.

Most Sincerely,
Syed Karim

Syed Karim
Founder and CEO of Outernet.

Chicago, IL http://outernet.is
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KE4EST
Thank You Syed for coming over here and making the above post. It is much appreciated.
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Cham
Thank you for the update Syed. Also got your email. Glad to see progress and hope it can continue. I am certainly hoping for success for your device and your group gets to reap some profits.
Best of luck!
Babadem
I want to express my thanks to Syed and his team for doing an honorable thing. I have just gotten my financial refund in the amount I paid for the Lantern Project. I'm using this medium to say, a big thank you to them for their efforts and wish them luck as they continue to work on their project.
N6BY
According to many recent reports on the Outernet discussion forum, the Outernet is only being transmitted by the satellite over America. The folks in Europe and Asia have not seen anything since September 20th.
N6BY
Today the European Outernet satellite transmission (from AlphaSat) was restored. Asia is still down and no ETA of when it will be back.
Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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jsmit86
Regarding the no sound bug when watching 4K HDR events or DVR recordings with Dolby set to ON:
I got rolled back to H708 last night after getting an email from the support team. It fixed the bug.

The email indicated that they believed they found the issue, and if the fix works, they would roll it out via an update in the coming weeks.

So... we should see that bug exterminated in the near future.
long_time_Dish
148-04 says the NASCAR race on at noon on Sunday. Be interesting to see if it is.
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Bobby
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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Foxbat
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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Bobby
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
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Bobby
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
As an edit, you need to sub to the National Action Pack at $12 a month to receive those channels.
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Foxbat
Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
I've saved a boatload of money!
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
Foxbat
The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only stick I with the Apple tv's is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is not worth sticking with it. Later, Apple!
Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
​
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
​
Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
​
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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K
Now testing on the stream server:
WJBF-D2 CW Augusta GA
KSVI-D2 CW Billings MT
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
K
PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.
D
Weekly Analysis for 10/14/2026:
K
NBA League Pass prep

Some more reshuffles
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The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.
They finally announced ClipperVision, it will be on DIRECTV, but they didn't provide a channel number yet.

EDIT: It's going to be on channel 693
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WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
These are now live on stream and weren't testing on satellite as of yesterday:
WETM-DT/19 CW Elmira
WJET-DT/25 CW Erie
KLFY-DT/11 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 CW Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 CW Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 CW Utica
KFDX-DT/4 CW Wichita Falls
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The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.
West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers


Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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dfergie
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
R
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
dfergie
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
R
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
I saw Gibbs walk into the door, but I did not see Tony.
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Former member 208119
lovin my hopper 3 and my wireless joey i can roll the tv all over the house if i wanted to :oops: 🤔
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Former member 208119
Class action.
a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution - AC/DC
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Kiss - The Art Of Noise
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Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
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White Noise - Jessie Baylin
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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
osu1991
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
This will be a SAD DAY when this passes ....

They complained the last year that we had a bunch of Blow Outs in the Playoffs ... heres an idea, lets Double the amount of teams and hope for Closer games ... ya right.

This never should have went past 8 teams, 10 at the most.

Now, I have heard that play in games are being talked about, such as #13 plays #24 and so forth, to cut the field down (why cut it down, just don't expand it.)
I'm not sure exactly how thats going to work out or if it was just someone talking.

They were also talking about starting the Season earlier ...

I really don't like the National Championship game being the end of January ... if the Semi Finals are over New Years, thats fine with the Championship game the next week.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...