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mbarnes

Last reply Jul 20, 2005 · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Addressable or store-and-forward MPEG RX

I was looking at the notes for the NASA TV digital transition. http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/digital.html

They mention that some of their programming may be addressable. They also mention the use of a store-and-forward (ala DVR/PVR?) receiver.

Is there anything available in the affordable consumer market that has either of these capabilities?

It looks to me like most anything digital subscription-wise is going DCII, not DVB/MPEG. Are there any subscription type channels on MPEG?

Can an addressable DVB/MPEG receiver still be an FTA unit?

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rkrenicki

Jul 20, 2005

...... again, when I say transponder, I mean digital carrier.. while yes, you can have multiple digital carriers in the space of one 36mhz wide analog transponder, since this isnt an analog discussion, its a moot point

in a single carrier, located at 4040 V 26665, the encapsulation and encoding method is DVB.. now, you cannot use DCII encrypt over DVB, as the encapsulation will not line up.

If NASA decides to put another digital carrier in the same 36mhz wide space, then sure, they can put a DCII signal down the same "transponder"

Now, since they have only announced this one carrier, and that the addressable portion will be in THIS one, the assumption can be safely made that a DVB encapsulated encryption is used, such as PowerVu, Irdeto, Nagravision, Wegner, etc..etc..

Mr Tony

Jul 20, 2005

you can only have DVB OR DCII on a transponder

yes there can be numerous transponders within the channel (using the old analog theory where it was 1:1, digital can have 3 or more transponders in that area.)

What ulta was saying is you can't have both DVB & DCII at say 12020 V 20000....you can have DVB at 12020 V 20000 and DCII at 12025 V 20000

mbarnes

Jul 20, 2005

Iceberg said:
you can only have DVB OR DCII on a transponder
yes there can be numerous transponders within the channel (using the old analog theory where it was 1:1, digital can have 3 or more transponders in that area.)

Actually, you have it backwards. You can have numerous channels on a transponder.

Here's the deal. A transponder is a physical piece of equipment consisting of a receiver and transmitter. It receives everything it hears in a 36 MHz wide span, regardless of modulation type or format. It then transposes (or retransmits) the received signal to another frequency, in essence, relaying the signal exactly as it was originally broadcast. On a given spacecraft and band, there are typically 24 transponders, 12 on the vertical polarity and 12 on the horizontal polarity. In the early days of satellite communications, a typical television analog channel took a full 36 MHz transponder, hence there was a relationship between transponder and received channel. With the advent of digital transmissions, VSAT, SCPC, MCPC, etc. there may now be many users on a given transponder. In the satellite industry, these individual signals are normally referred to as carriers, although some users/providers may refer to them as channels. With space segment in high demand these days, and the effort to generate as much revenue as possible, satellite vendors will squeeze in every available kHz of bandwidth they can. Therefore, the old analog way of thinking of channels rarely fits.

The point is, when discussing apples and oranges, it is important to call apples, apples, and oranges, oranges. When you start calling apples oranges and oranges apples, confusion may be generated.

Mr Tony

Jul 20, 2005

mbarnes said:
The point is, when discussing apples and oranges, it is important to call apples, apples, and oranges, oranges. When you start calling apples oranges and oranges apples, confusion may be generated.

I have no clue what the rest of the post said so I'm confused

rkrenicki

Jul 20, 2005

I think those poor apples and oranges have been squeezed to death..

We all have our own perspectives on this, and pushing the issue does not really help either side.

The point made is that you cannot have DCII encryption on the same digital carrier that contains a DVB carrier. Since they have one carrier, which is already DVB, the encrypt will be a DVB compliant encrypt.

I hate to put it this way, but the only person who is confused is you, while your point is valid, it simply generates more confusion for the average person here. while yes, a Transponder is a specific transmitter on a satellite which has a 36mhz wide bandwidth, The term can also be used for a specific diigtal carrier coming from said transmitter.

The transponder numbers are only used (on the recieving side of things) for analog channels. Since this is a DVB discussion, the point is moot.

For simplicity sake, I really suggest that this discussion gets dropped

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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Mike0616 said:
They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!

Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.

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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."

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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.

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Last reply Today at 5:53 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Saturday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Yesterday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:14 PM

dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

View attachment 194877

Just ordered one....that's great.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:57 PM

jsmit86 said:
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin

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Almighty1

Today at 4:07 PM

jsmit86 said:
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.

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navychop

Today at 5:53 PM

Almighty1 said:
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 5:05 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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HipKat

Today at 8:55 AM

I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

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AZ.

Today at 9:02 AM

Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?

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telstar_1

Today at 1:22 PM

HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.

I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

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Nominal

Today at 4:30 PM

telstar_1 said:
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.

You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.

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dishdude

Today at 5:05 PM

I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

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Last reply Today at 4:16 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

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So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

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Another example:

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles

The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

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What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

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Fanta orange soda.

Sitting in fridge cooling off, bought 1 along with 2 Mexican Cokes at La Tienda... (I keep a few cokes stashed as well as in fridge and camper fridge)

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Apples
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Some weird noodles.

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Last reply Today at 3:54 PM · posted in TV Shows

Stargate SG-1 Discussion

Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed

Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner

The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld

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dfergie

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The Tokra pt 1, I know pt 2 will be next...
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reubenray

Today at 1:30 PM

I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

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Today at 2:00 PM

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long_time_Dish

Today at 3:47 PM

reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?

Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

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reubenray

Today at 3:54 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.

Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.

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