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Dish Network CEO Hints At Hard Line In Viacom Renewal Talks, Calls Extension A “Positive”

Dish Network CEO Charlie Ergen didn't say in so many words that he's digging in his heels in his widely watched distribution carriage renewal talks with Viacom. But his general comments in his quarterly earnings call today left little doubt about his position

http://deadline.com/2016/02/dish-network-charlie-ergen-1201704999/

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As best I can I'll try to identify why I respond to the fees posts. Only speaking for myself.
The posts are essentially saying DISH could just drop the fee or are there just because. That is simply wrong. Fees are part of the business model. Drop a fee and another charge or increase will be added to take it's place. Even more important, I see the complaining about DISH fees when I am saving over $185 a year over having Direct tv mostly based on lower DISH fees. Fees are part of the overall costs, part of the business model one aspect affects the other. Package prices affects fees, fees affect package prices. So when DISH has a dispute (which by the way usually lasts a very short time or sometimes never actually happened but people remember it as it happening) we focus on package prices. DISH is competitive with Cable companies and Directv package prices, often less. The conclusion could be why isn't DISH much less than Directv if they always take a hard line in negotiations. You have to go back to the business model for that answer. No first receiver fee, a fee DIrectv has may be where DISH decided to use the savings of negotiating rather than package prices. RSN's? I am saving about $75 a year just in RSN fees that DISH does not charge that Directv does because they refuse to overpay. That is a choice, I could go to Directv and get the NY RSN's in addition to the both Boston RSN's that I am eligible to get and pay $75 more a year for that. (Plus the other higher fees) Or get Cable and get those RSN's, get crappy receivers that my Brother In Law has and pay way more.

DISH has a business model where the people more interested in paying less or just can't afford to pay more can do so without necessarily giving up technology or going to the lowest packages. It's where they tower over Directv and Cable. Get a Vip receiver like a 612 or get a 211 with an EHD and you have a good DVR for a fraction of what others charge especially including no first receiver fee. DISH is far and away less expensive particularly for three or fewer rooms, that I maintain covers most subscribers needs and most installs. Not only are there more VIP receivers in use than the Hopper, a couple of installers or DISH sellers have posted that they still install VIP receivers often. And DISH VIP receivers still to this day are good receivers, better than some Cable is still using.

Those are needs. When it gets to wants, DISH like most any company charges more for the most current technology. You want the Hopper it will cost more, and is more in line with Directv costs. The R&D is astronomical and higher costs is how companies recoup that money and if a good company reinvests it to making the company better.

That's why I respond to posts about fees because they make it sound simplistic when in fact the cost structure is complex and intertwined. I recently responded to the thread about the new fee line we are seeing regarding the first receiver fee. I 100% agree I don't like the possible implications, and I hope it is for showing DISH does not charge while others do. There are many things I post negatively about DISH, but I can't just go along with posts that are not the whole story or do not match my actual experience or experience with DISH.
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Tampa8 said:
As best I can I'll try to identify why I respond to the fees posts. Only speaking for myself.
The posts are essentially saying DISH could just drop the fee or are there just because. That is simply wrong. Fees are part of the business model. Drop a fee and another charge or increase will be added to take it's place. Even more important, I see the complaining about DISH fees when I am saving over $185 a year over having Direct tv mostly based on lower DISH fees. Fees are part of the overall costs, part of the business model one aspect affects the other. Package prices affects fees, fees affect package prices. So when DISH has a dispute (which by the way usually lasts a very short time or sometimes never actually happened but people remember it as it happening) we focus on package prices. DISH is competitive with Cable companies and Directv package prices, often less. The conclusion could be why isn't DISH much less than Directv if they always take a hard line in negotiations. You have to go back to the business model for that answer. No first receiver fee, a fee DIrectv has may be where DISH decided to use the savings of negotiating rather than package prices. RSN's? I am saving about $75 a year just in RSN fees that DISH does not charge that Directv does because they refuse to overpay. That is a choice, I could go to Directv and get the NY RSN's in addition to the both Boston RSN's that I am eligible to get and pay $75 more a year for that. (Plus the other higher fees) Or get Cable and get those RSN's, get crappy receivers that my Brother In Law has and pay way more.

DISH has a business model where the people more interested in paying less or just can't afford to pay more can do so without necessarily giving up technology or going to the lowest packages. It's where they tower over Directv and Cable. Get a Vip receiver like a 612 or get a 211 with an EHD and you have a good DVR for a fraction of what others charge especially including no first receiver fee. DISH is far and away less expensive particularly for three or fewer rooms, that I maintain covers most subscribers needs and most installs. Not only are there more VIP receivers in use than the Hopper, a couple of installers or DISH sellers have posted that they still install VIP receivers often. And DISH VIP receivers still to this day are good receivers, better than some Cable is still using.

Those are needs. When it gets to wants, DISH like most any company charges more for the most current technology. You want the Hopper it will cost more, and is more in line with Directv costs. The R&D is astronomical and higher costs is how companies recoup that money and if a good company reinvests it to making the company better.

That's why I respond to posts about fees because they make it sound simplistic when in fact the cost structure is complex and intertwined. I recently responded to the thread about the new fee line we are seeing regarding the first receiver fee. I 100% agree I don't like the possible implications, and I hope it is for showing DISH does not charge while others do. There are many things I post negatively about DISH, but I can't just go along with posts that are not the whole story or do not match my actual experience or experience with DISH.
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Tampa I agree with a lot of what you say, except the idea about fees and their intention in charging them.
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MikeD-C05 said:
Tampa I agree with a lot of what you say, except the idea about fees and their intention in charging them.
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And I agree with much of what you say. I tried to find it but couldn't, quite sometime ago I posted that if DISH wants to increase subscribers they need to remain less expensive and offer things others don't. It was during the time they had not raised package prices. They raised fees and I said at the time it was a mistake to do it, though I also think I said it didn't affect everyone. Fast forward to today, they can be less expensive but I will admit I meant to be more widely so. Maybe they just can't be much less but with cord cutting now a competitor just as Cable and Directv are, they need to find a way to stand out more.
And they have dropped a couple of things that did make them different, Superstations unless grandfathered, getting EuroNews A La Carte, the National PBS channel and some other various things. But really the one thing I thought they were going to do they have not, that is to have a wireless broadband system to package with the Satellite service. Imagine if they could deliver on their own network, their TV services in addition to Satellite delivery, and add Cell service. Maybe it that is too big for DISH to do but I thought they were going to do some form of it. To me Slingtv is not what I had envisioned, it's more like they had to do something rather than really a leap forward. Slingtv isn't a bad thing, just that it is short of where I thought DISH would be now.
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Tampa8 said:
And I agree with much of what you say. I tried to find it but couldn't, quite sometime ago I posted that if DISH wants to increase subscribers they need to remain less expensive and offer things others don't. It was during the time they had not raised package prices. They raised fees and I said at the time it was a mistake to do it, though I also think I said it didn't affect everyone. Fast forward to today, they can be less expensive but I will admit I meant to be more widely so. Maybe they just can't be much less but with cord cutting now a competitor just as Cable and Directv are, they need to find a way to stand out more.
And they have dropped a couple of things that did make them different, Superstations unless grandfathered, getting EuroNews A La Carte, the National PBS channel and some other various things. But really the one thing I thought they were going to do they have not, that is to have a wireless broadband system to package with the Satellite service. Imagine if they could deliver on their own network, their TV services in addition to Satellite delivery, and add Cell service. Maybe it that is too big for DISH to do but I thought they were going to do some form of it. To me Slingtv is not what I had envisioned, it's more like they had to do something rather than really a leap forward. Slingtv isn't a bad thing, just that it is short of where I thought DISH would be now.
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I think that they have missed the boat on the wireless service. Either Charlie has waited too long to make his move or no one wants to work with him because of his need to be in total control or top dog in any combined company. The only time he got close to merging with DIRECTV was squashed by the government over anti monopoly laws. I think his reputation has preceded him in any negotiation.
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MikeD-C05 said:
I think that they have missed the boat on the wireless service. Either Charlie has waited too long to make his move or no one wants to work with him because of his need to be in total control or top dog in any combined company. The only time he got close to merging with DIRECTV was squashed by the government over anti monopoly laws. I think his reputation has preceded him in any negotiation.
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I don't mean this to sound smart, but I think that Charlie knows ALOT more about what he is doing than you or I. I know that I am not worth several billion dollars, nor do I control two companies that have a market capitalization of about $30 billion, so I would say the man must know what he is doing. They will come out on top some how with that wireless spectrum that they hold. Either sell it, partner with a carrier, merge with a wireless carrier, or start a joint venture with a wireless carrier.
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I don't mean this to sound smart, but I think that Charlie knows ALOT more about what he is doing than you or I. I know that I am not worth several billion dollars, nor do I control two companies that have a market capitalization of about $30 billion, so I would say the man must know what he is doing. They will come out on top some how with that wireless spectrum that they hold. Either sell it, partner with a carrier, merge with a wireless carrier, or start a joint venture with a wireless carrier.
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Burnie Madoff was a millionaire too.
Having lots of money doesn't automatically make you an Honest business man.
And Charle had some really huge lawsuits that cost over a Billion dollars.
Just as much as Directv/Att paid for ST exclusive rights for its 26 million customers .

So IMO that money could have been put to good use within Dish Network.
Charlie wouldn't be so heavy on the negotiations with networks and trying to scrape every extra penny he can any way he can from his Remaining 13.2 Million satellite TV subscribers.

Because those 600,000 Sling Tv customers are certainly not the ones keeping the lights on with the pathetic $20 a month bill.

That's what I think is so hilarious about you guys sticking up for Charlie claims on how he's weeding out the bad ,unprofitable customer, but yet he's the guy with welfare bottom of the barrel Basepackages like Sling tv, and the Welcome pack.

Those packages aren't paying for crap.
I pay $33 alone in receiver fees under a price lock.
Add another $17 to that in 16 months maybe more when my price lock is up
My fees alone would be 5 Sling Tv customers.

Charlie blows a lot of smoke, he's a gambler, and there is nothing wrong with that, but they always have an excuse when your numbers look low to the public eye, and the best excuse he could come up with was , "I'M WEEDING OUT THE UNPROFITABLE CUSTOMER"
And some of yous actually bought it!
Charlie wants $100, $150,$200 a month customer, even if he pays his bill 30 days late because that's what's keeping the lights on.
Not $20 paid in full on time.

If some of yous think he doesn't want his ARPU to be over $100 a month, well you guys are crazy then.








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Sling..... ;)
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Sling..... ;)
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ASkyB too, that's how they ended up with 110w slots.
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Troch77 said:
Burnie Madoff was a millionaire too.
Having lots of money doesn't automatically make you an Honest business man.
And Charle had some really huge lawsuits that cost over a Billion dollars.
Just as much as Directv/Att paid for ST exclusive rights for its 26 million customers .

So IMO that money could have been put to good use within Dish Network.
Charlie wouldn't be so heavy on the negotiations with networks and trying to scrape every extra penny he can any way he can from his Remaining 13.2 Million satellite TV subscribers.

Because those 600,000 Sling Tv customers are certainly not the ones keeping the lights on with the pathetic $20 a month bill.

That's what I think is so hilarious about you guys sticking up for Charlie claims on how he's weeding out the bad ,unprofitable customer, but yet he's the guy with welfare bottom of the barrel Basepackages like Sling tv, and the Welcome pack.

Those packages aren't paying for crap.
I pay $33 alone in receiver fees under a price lock.
Add another $17 to that in 16 months maybe more when my price lock is up
My fees alone would be 5 Sling Tv customers.

Charlie blows a lot of smoke, he's a gambler, and there is nothing wrong with that, but they always have an excuse when your numbers look low to the public eye, and the best excuse he could come up with was , "I'M WEEDING OUT THE UNPROFITABLE CUSTOMER"
And some of yous actually bought it!
Charlie wants $100, $150,$200 a month customer, even if he pays his bill 30 days late because that's what's keeping the lights on.
Not $20 paid in full on time.

If some of yous think he doesn't want his ARPU to be over $100 a month, well you guys are crazy then.








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You do know there are add ons to Sling packages a don't you? Not every SlingTV subscriber is just paying $20 per month. Not all have all of the add on packages either, but not everyone is just paying $20 per month.
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You do know there are add ons to Sling packages a don't you? Not every SlingTV subscriber is just paying $20 per month. Not all have all of the add on packages either, but not everyone is just paying $20 per month.
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Yes I know about the add ons.[emoji1]

Again though the value goes out the window when you start with the add ons.

Soon your up over $50 a month, you might as well subscribe to satellite TV.

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ASkyB too, that's how they ended up with 110w slots.
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There was more to that story on those slots. Try reading the history of the deal and how News corp deal came undone and the various lawsuits resulted. Proves my point again. His reputation precedes him. Read under subscriber growth in 1997 sub heading for the whole story.

www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/echostar-communications-corporation-history/
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MikeD-C05 said:
There was more to that story on those slots. Try reading the history of the deal and how News corp deal came undone and the various lawsuits resulted. Proves my point again. His reputation precedes him. Read under subscriber growth in 1997 sub heading for the whole story.

www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/echostar-communications-corporation-history/
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Do you think playing nice is a way to succeed in business?
Ergen knows exactly what he doing. The guy started Dish in his garage. He now has 13 million customers. Most of whom who are at worst marginally satisfied with the products.
This is not an argument. I am merely stating the facts
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Troch77 said:
Yes I know about the add ons.[emoji1]

Again though the value goes out the window when you start with the add ons.

Soon your up over $50 a month, you might as well subscribe to satellite TV.

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Welcome to the world of A La Carte, and linear online programming. :eeek
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Welcome to the world of A La Carte, and linear online programming. :eeek
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Yuck, I just put up the 1000 + so I could get Euronews, and Willow Cricket, Because I got tired of trying to stream through the Internet.

So yeah I'll never go Sling TV.

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Welcome to the world of A La Carte,
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That theory, and it's followers were always misguided from the start. What cost 1 cent, in a package, now costs 1 dollars by itself. You still want it....?
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Do you think playing nice is a way to succeed in business?
Ergen knows exactly what he doing. The guy started Dish in his garage. He now has 13 million customers. Most of whom who are at worst marginally satisfied with the products.
This is not an argument. I am merely stating the facts
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I think you missed my point in posting that. I said originally that I don't think that Charlie will get to partner with a cell phone carrier ,because of his reputation of not playing well and getting along with others precedes him. Most companies won't merge due to his history. T mobile wanted to do business ,but nothing has happened yet. AS for the way he has conducted himself in business, he is really no worse or better than others,but as I pointed out in saying his reputation precedes him, you carry that same rep with you on the way up the ladder of business , & it is also the one you carry with you on the way back down it too. Business ethics was something I took in college and I can tell you that some of what Charlie was accused of doing is a direct violation of those ethics. The stealing of the Tivo software comes to mind. But he had to pay for it eventually. I am not arguing either , just stating the facts.
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Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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SpaceX boldly goes into 'huge' 5G network rollout with Qualcomm

After trying satellites and small cells, Elon Musk's SpaceX is to build a terrestrial mobile network across tens of thousands of sites with Qualcomm.
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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If Musk really wants to buy Boost, he might get a great price once Dish Wireless is out of Chapter 11.

Boost just lost 182,000 subs in the 3rd quarter-

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Is Dish like Iran in one way...they both will totally collapse by end of week :)
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Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.
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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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dish has new sats dtv does not
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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I think we could all use a laugh - Rodney Dangerfield on Carson

Good...simple humor. Enjoy


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92AtfTLge4

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dishstaller
dishstaller
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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I loved it when Rodney was on the Tonight Show...
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dishstaller said:
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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Thanks, I wasn't sure if you had the wrong Subject or the wrong YouTube link.
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osu1991
osu1991
Was a Don Rickles fan. I've dvr'd most of his appearances on Carson from the antenna tv replays.

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More Dangerfield rapid fire on Carson.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEQFHQHHhU
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dishdude
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Rodney Dangerfield is great. One of his best one liners - "My wife likes to talk to me during sex, last night she called me from Florida!"

Jackie Gleason is another one of the greats.


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Godzilla Minus Zero


View: https://youtu.be/n-NDYWPXpKg?si=hcI4ueMkFCreZ8Qq
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dfergie said:

View: https://youtu.be/n-NDYWPXpKg?si=hcI4ueMkFCreZ8Qq
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Wait, didn't this one come out a few years ago? It was all in Japanese. It was also VERY good!

OK, looked it up, that was Godzilla Minus One
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primestar31 said:
Wait, didn't this one come out a few years ago? It was all in Japanese. It was also VERY good!

OK, looked it up, that was Godzilla Minus One
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At theaters, only in Japanese, on Disc and Netflix, available in English.
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New trailer has dropped:
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Looks good! I'm interested...
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