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Grounding DPP44

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I currently have a 2 HWS + 2 Joey setup using a Duo node. I am wanting to add a DPP44 switch so I can also hook up my 211z (from my tailgater) at home. I noticed in the image above it shows the DPP44 being grounded.

Must the DPP44 be grounded to work? I was going to install it in the wiring panel inside my house at the same location as the Duo node.

A little extra info if this is relevant:
My Dish antennae is not grounded. When the antennae was installed years ago it was placed high up on my roof because that was the only spot that could get a clear signal due to trees but it was too far away to ground. The trees are gone now and I plan to move the antennae and properly ground it when I upgrade to Hopper 3 in the next year.
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Voyager6
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If you already have grounded the duo node, you do not have to ground the DPP44 switch. My system is set up almost exactly as that diagram but I have a ground on the node after the 44 switch
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charlesrshell
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Voyager6 said:
If you already have grounded the duo node, you do not have to ground the DPP44 switch. My system is set up almost exactly as that diagram but I have a ground on the node after the 44 switch
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So does the dish antenna itself need a ground wire too?
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charlesrshell
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Couple of grounding questions if an satellite installer could help out. Is the dish antenna itself considered to be grounded thru the coax cable if the Node or DPP44 switch is grounded? If the dish antenna is grounded by a separate ground wire to ground does the Node or DPP44 switch need to be grounded too? I have heard of several combinations and not sure which is correct. Just wonder what is the latest NEC and DISH requirements are! Thanks for any help.
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JSheridan
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charlesrshell said:
Couple of grounding questions if an satellite installer could help out. Is the dish antenna itself considered to be grounded thru the coax cable if the Node or DPP44 switch is grounded? If the dish antenna is grounded by a separate ground wire to ground does the Node or DPP44 switch need to be grounded too? I have heard of several combinations and not sure which is correct. Just wonder what is the latest NEC and DISH requirements are! Thanks for any help.
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Generally a small wire called the messenger wire is attached to the coax. One end is connected to the dish, the other end to the ground block or switch. Then a separate larger gauge solid copper wire goes from the ground block or switch to the house ground.
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JSheridan said:
Generally a small wire called the messenger wire is attached to the coax. One end is connected to the dish, the other end to the ground block or switch. Then a separate larger gauge solid copper wire goes from the ground block or switch to the house ground.
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So how do you ground when there is no messenger wire attached to the coax?
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charlesrshell said:
So how do you ground when there is no messenger wire attached to the coax?
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We're only supposed to use coax with messenger. :)

That said, if there's no messenger wire then you probably shouldn't worry about it. If you are worried about it then you should either run a new coax with messenger or run a separate ground wire from the dish to the ground block or switch.
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charlesrshell
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JSheridan said:
We're only supposed to use coax with messenger. :)

That said, if there's no messenger wire then you probably shouldn't worry about it. If you are worried about it then you should either run a new coax with messenger or run a separate ground wire from the dish to the ground block or switch.
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I have a green ground wire going from my dish to ground. Four coax from my dish 1000+ goes thru a coax ground block to my first DPP44 switch. The coax ground block has a green ground wire to ground. Is that method OK since I don't have coax with messenger wire?
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charlesrshell said:
I have a green ground wire going from my dish to ground. Four coax from my dish 1000+ goes thru a coax ground block to my first DPP44 switch. The coax ground block has a green ground wire to ground. Is that method OK since I don't have coax with messenger wire?
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Yes, the green wire from the dish to the ground is much better than a messenger wire. As long as both the dish and the coax are both grounded to the house ground you're in good shape.
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JSheridan said:
Yes, the green wire from the dish to the ground is much better than a messenger wire. As long as both the dish and the coax are both grounded to the house ground you're in good shape.
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OK, thanks. Yep, both grounds go to the house ground.
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charlesrshell said:
So does the dish antenna itself need a ground wire too?
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It is said that because the air passing across the antenna creates a buildup of negatively charged electrons, it is a good idea to connect a 17 ga wire from the mast foot to the d mark..Quite frankly, IMO this is not essential.
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dishcomm said:
It is said that because the air passing across the antenna creates a buildup of negatively charged electrons, it is a good idea to connect a 17 ga wire from the mast foot to the d mark..Quite frankly, IMO this is not essential.
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Is grounding the antenna mask what DISH and the NEC wants? It seems to me the mask would be grounded thru the coax built in cable shield (not the messenger wire) from the LNB to the Node or Switch then a ground wire from Node or Switch to ground. What do you think?
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charlesrshell said:
Is grounding the antenna mask what DISH and the NEC wants? It seems to me the mask would be grounded thru the coax built in cable shield (not the messenger wire) from the LNB to the Node or Switch then a ground wire from Node or Switch to ground. What do you think?
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When you consider that the LNB mount is plastic you'll realize that there is no way for the coax to ground the dish. the only way is through the messenger wire or separate wire to the dish/mast.
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n0qcu said:
When you consider that the LNB mount is plastic you'll realize that there is no way for the coax to ground the dish. the only way is through the messenger wire or separate wire to the dish/mast.
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OK, that makes sense. I thought all LNBs and the mount were metal.
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nelson61 said:
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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If Musk really wants to buy Boost, he might get a great price once Dish Wireless is out of Chapter 11.

Boost just lost 182,000 subs in the 3rd quarter-

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Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.
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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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OK, looked it up, that was Godzilla Minus One
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Wait, didn't this one come out a few years ago? It was all in Japanese. It was also VERY good!

OK, looked it up, that was Godzilla Minus One
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