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Looks like DISH is still losing subs. Second quarter numbers posted and they lost 281,000 subs and that is with the Sling tv numbers added in. Looks like all the disputes are taking their toll on the numbers. DISH now has 13.6 million subs.
www.tvpredictions.com/dish072116.htm
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So, I didn't read through all of this thread, but I had heard about the subscriber loss. I thought I'd add my cancellation experience from the other day, since it was baffling to this thread in case it has any relevancy. Pardon me in advance if it does not. Maybe a DIRT team member will have interest to investigate it. I would think in the current atmosphere of things and numbers like those, they would be very interested in what their retention team is or is not doing.
Over the past year I had been mulling over what to do going forward when our contract expired last month. In today's competitive market, with increasing data caps, Google Fibre coming to our area soon, new streaming services, etc I couldn't ignore the possibilities that open up. When you place Dish with their archaic sub model of increasing prices, constant carrier war outages and down-scaled resolution against the competition, staying with them became harder and harder to think about by the day. Comcast just took our data caps from 300gb to 1tb per month. Doing something like PS Vue and HBO Now at $60/mo (combined) to replace our America Top 250, Plus HBO on an aging Hopper 2k, Super Joey, +2 Joey system at $176/mo suddenly was a no brainer. If I went with my original out of contract plan, to change my LNB, buy a Hopper 3 and 2 4K Joeys, I would have most likely saved nothing and still been paying around $2112 per year. PSVue on the other hand gives me what I want in channels, and modern DVR storage in the cloud system that can not botch missed shows due to rain fade, plus I can turn HBO Now on/off as needed (GoT season) and be at most $720 if I did run HBO Now full time.
I called Dish to discuss exiting. No problem she said, we'll send you boxes, ship back the Hopper and Joey system. Have a nice day, call ended. It literally took 5 minutes max! I had even opened the call in a super passive, "Hey, I'm thinking about cancelling, I'm not sure I can justify the current cost any more and our equipment is ancient"... There were no offers, aggressive win back tactics or shenanigans, nothing. It happened so fast, I was shocked and went through the rest of the day in disbelief. Was I secretly hoping they'd come through with some reason for me to stay, and upgrade equipment? Sorta, but not really, because I want to own my equipment and end paying receiver fee's. Cable companies gave up on box and modem fee's on owned equipment, Dish and D* (if they still do it) should do the same because it's BS. Even if those fee's go away, I also can't see paying more than $100/mo at this point and not getting what I want, full time and at full resolution.
PS Vue has been nothing short of amazing with regards to picture quality in comparison. When you have 3 real 4K TV's like a 75X940D, 65X930D, and a 55X930C you can not imagine until you've lived with them just how bad Dish looks in comparison to anything else that is truly native 1080, etc. A wise person once told me, the most important thing behind the scalers on these 'super' TV's is, garbage in, garbage amplified, really BIG garbage out, and that is exactly what I just figured out first hand having made the switch. Vue has a few little usage bugs to work through (their guide is super weird to get used to), but overall we've been driving the service hard for a month now just to make up our minds.
In the end, it's goodbye Dish for now, I've unfortunately added to your subscriber woes. And for those of you who may remember me from other discussions, I do still have my Wally and 211K in my RV. We'll experiment with Vue on the go, but if needed we can do the monthly pay-as-you-go thing for RV's there if nothing else to satisfy any withdrawals.
Over the past year I had been mulling over what to do going forward when our contract expired last month. In today's competitive market, with increasing data caps, Google Fibre coming to our area soon, new streaming services, etc I couldn't ignore the possibilities that open up. When you place Dish with their archaic sub model of increasing prices, constant carrier war outages and down-scaled resolution against the competition, staying with them became harder and harder to think about by the day. Comcast just took our data caps from 300gb to 1tb per month. Doing something like PS Vue and HBO Now at $60/mo (combined) to replace our America Top 250, Plus HBO on an aging Hopper 2k, Super Joey, +2 Joey system at $176/mo suddenly was a no brainer. If I went with my original out of contract plan, to change my LNB, buy a Hopper 3 and 2 4K Joeys, I would have most likely saved nothing and still been paying around $2112 per year. PSVue on the other hand gives me what I want in channels, and modern DVR storage in the cloud system that can not botch missed shows due to rain fade, plus I can turn HBO Now on/off as needed (GoT season) and be at most $720 if I did run HBO Now full time.
I called Dish to discuss exiting. No problem she said, we'll send you boxes, ship back the Hopper and Joey system. Have a nice day, call ended. It literally took 5 minutes max! I had even opened the call in a super passive, "Hey, I'm thinking about cancelling, I'm not sure I can justify the current cost any more and our equipment is ancient"... There were no offers, aggressive win back tactics or shenanigans, nothing. It happened so fast, I was shocked and went through the rest of the day in disbelief. Was I secretly hoping they'd come through with some reason for me to stay, and upgrade equipment? Sorta, but not really, because I want to own my equipment and end paying receiver fee's. Cable companies gave up on box and modem fee's on owned equipment, Dish and D* (if they still do it) should do the same because it's BS. Even if those fee's go away, I also can't see paying more than $100/mo at this point and not getting what I want, full time and at full resolution.
PS Vue has been nothing short of amazing with regards to picture quality in comparison. When you have 3 real 4K TV's like a 75X940D, 65X930D, and a 55X930C you can not imagine until you've lived with them just how bad Dish looks in comparison to anything else that is truly native 1080, etc. A wise person once told me, the most important thing behind the scalers on these 'super' TV's is, garbage in, garbage amplified, really BIG garbage out, and that is exactly what I just figured out first hand having made the switch. Vue has a few little usage bugs to work through (their guide is super weird to get used to), but overall we've been driving the service hard for a month now just to make up our minds.
In the end, it's goodbye Dish for now, I've unfortunately added to your subscriber woes. And for those of you who may remember me from other discussions, I do still have my Wally and 211K in my RV. We'll experiment with Vue on the go, but if needed we can do the monthly pay-as-you-go thing for RV's there if nothing else to satisfy any withdrawals.
Why yes they are, anything 2 years old in the electronics world is ancient tech. Try a wally against that 211, huge difference in the tech.
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Dang, the 211k is the 2nd newest item in my setup (the BD being the newest)
The AV reciever, LD, cassette deck and speakers are all from '99. The plasma is circa 2012 (replaced the 36" CRT from '99 that needed repaired for the 3rd time)
I'd like to replace the AV for something with HDMI switching, but everything else is perfectly fine.
Why yes they are, anything 2 years old in the electronics world is ancient tech. Try a wally against that 211, huge difference in the tech.
Dang, the 211k is the 2nd newest item in my setup (the BD being the newest)
The AV reciever, LD, cassette deck and speakers are all from '99. The plasma is circa 2012 (replaced the 36" CRT from '99 that needed repaired for the 3rd time)
I'd like to replace the AV for something with HDMI switching, but everything else is perfectly fine.
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Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.
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Cheap, just the battery. Working or not.
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I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.
Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.
It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.
Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.
It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.
Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!
A couple of pieces of info:
When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.
Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
A couple of pieces of info:
- Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
- Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
- 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
- 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
- 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
- 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
- 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
- 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.
Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
- During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
- Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
- Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
- There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
- At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
- At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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According to this article on The Verge, Videostrong Technologies based in Shenzen, China, placed a backdoor into 1.3 million of their devices and used this to deploy a botnet:
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One of Google’s Android partners turned 1.3 million set-top boxes into a botnet
A manufacturer intentionally hijacked its Android TV devices.
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Someone's, need to neuter the red China's junk they keeps spewing out... 
How about they just neuter China ...Someone's, need to neuter the red China's junk they keeps spewing out...
Only, If they can make a coup on the Chinese government! 
