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Last reply Dec 15, 2016 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

DirecTV Off-Air Support

I know this has been beaten to death, but why can't Direct offer another AM-21 type device. I have one for my HR-24 but nothing for the other ones since they were discontinued or available at inflated prices. We had several round of storms in the Twin Cities this afternoon and of course all the channels went out, even the locals on the spot beams. My signal levels are great on 99&103 with the conus tp's in the upper 90's and locals spot beam at 100 and 101 is good too so the dish is peaked. I believe the 54's have a built in tuner but if I try to upgrade, it will lock me into another 2 year contract which I do not want to do. Today was the longest outage this year, almost 45 minutes. My TV's have an outdoor antenna connected them so at least I could watch the locals for weather info. My DVR is set to record Jeopardy everyday on the local NBC station, but nope not today. That receiver gets only satellite signals. I don't want a HR 54 and the Genie setup. I am contempt on what I have and it works for our needs.

Am I just whining or should DirecTV step up. Doesn't DISH have a USB OTA tuner module for some if their receivers?.

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Kasie5812

Dec 15, 2016

Hello,
I live in a very small area, in Wyoming. We only have access to a few local channels with an antenna, or cable, or even DISH, but DirectTV does not carry any. I just recently switched to Direct TV after a salesman incorrectly informed me that if I were to buy a very inexpensive ($34) indoor HD Antenna, I would be able to hook it directly into my satellite and access all the local channels through my receiver, and be able to use the DVR. Instead, so far, I have had to return the $34 antenna and purchase a much more pricey outdoor antenna, as well as an AM21.

I am now able to tune in to most of the OTA channels, but the guide is incorrect for every one of them. I am also still missing 2 of the local channels I would like to receive. I have reset the AM21 several times and repeated the scan. I have reset the DTV receiver several times.

I have tried to input several different zip codes, as described earlier in this thread. I downloaded the TPN Map and am using that to look up possible channel matches. (In fact, it lists the local channels from my area on the correct station, even though my guide does not). I have tried using the new zip codes as both the primary and secondary markets.

Nothing seems to work. Which leads me to a few questions...

1. When I reset the DTV receiver and go back into Antenna setup, the zip code I last typed is still there. Does that mean I did not properly reset the AM21, or reset the DTV receiver incorrectly? I am resetting them by unplugging for several minutes. Also, several times I have clicked on Reset Settings on the Antenna Setup Screen, but nothing ever seems to change. The last time, I actually checked the guide before going back in to ensure that the channels were no longer available. But my primary ZIP code was still there.

2. When I type in the various zip codes, am I supposed to be doing it in the primary or secondary market, or both? (I have tried each, but never both) If the secondary, am I always supposed to retype my primary zip code as the Primary market? Or can I try to use two different zip codes for each scan?

3. Am I supposed to uncheck the stations for which the guide is incorrect (under Edit Off Air Channels) before I do the scan with the new ZIP/ZIPS?

Thank you for your assistance!

ejb1980

Dec 15, 2016

Kasie5812 said:
Hello,
I live in a very small area, in Wyoming. We only have access to a few local channels with an antenna, or cable, or even DISH, but DirectTV does not carry any. I just recently switched to Direct TV after a salesman incorrectly informed me that if I were to buy a very inexpensive ($34) indoor HD Antenna, I would be able to hook it directly into my satellite and access all the local channels through my receiver, and be able to use the DVR. Instead, so far, I have had to return the $34 antenna and purchase a much more pricey outdoor antenna, as well as an AM21.

I am now able to tune in to most of the OTA channels, but the guide is incorrect for every one of them. I am also still missing 2 of the local channels I would like to receive. I have reset the AM21 several times and repeated the scan. I have reset the DTV receiver several times.

I have tried to input several different zip codes, as described earlier in this thread. I downloaded the TPN Map and am using that to look up possible channel matches. (In fact, it lists the local channels from my area on the correct station, even though my guide does not). I have tried using the new zip codes as both the primary and secondary markets.

Nothing seems to work. Which leads me to a few questions...

1. When I reset the DTV receiver and go back into Antenna setup, the zip code I last typed is still there. Does that mean I did not properly reset the AM21, or reset the DTV receiver incorrectly? I am resetting them by unplugging for several minutes. Also, several times I have clicked on Reset Settings on the Antenna Setup Screen, but nothing ever seems to change. The last time, I actually checked the guide before going back in to ensure that the channels were no longer available. But my primary ZIP code was still there.

2. When I type in the various zip codes, am I supposed to be doing it in the primary or secondary market, or both? (I have tried each, but never both) If the secondary, am I always supposed to retype my primary zip code as the Primary market? Or can I try to use two different zip codes for each scan?

3. Am I supposed to uncheck the stations for which the guide is incorrect (under Edit Off Air Channels) before I do the scan with the new ZIP/ZIPS?

Thank you for your assistance!

1. No, mine does that too.
2. Do them in the order coconut said and things will work the best. It doesn't matter first/secondary except for the FIRST time you run the zips (you need your home locals to form the base you're adding to.) Then you can do first/second in the order coconut said, using that as the guide for the order. It is also recommended that, when you're done, run your home zip (i put it in for primary and secondary) to form the "power out base" for it to default to. It makes it easier to start over next time.
3. It doesn't matter. You don't need to uncheck them, though, during the process. Just do it when you're all done. You might night even be able to uncheck the unwanted ones in the AM21 menu, so you'll have to create a favorites list to weed out the wanted duplicated locals. For example, I use KRGVDT3 to add MeTV to my guide correctly. In the AM21 menu, all I see is 5-1 WPTZDT, 5-2 WPTZDT2, and 5-3 KRGVDT3. But in the "All channels" list, both WPTZ/KRGV 1 and 2 appear. That's why you will probably need a favorites list.

If all you're trying to get is the Wyoming channels and you have all of the info about the database and what is/isn't there and you're still getting incorrect guide data try this:

The complete reset. Run an initial setup with the 2 zips you want the most. Then, do the "reset settings" on the AM21. Reset the receiver. When the receiver comes back on, disconnect the AM21. Reset the receiver again. Look in the menu, you should see "Satellite" under settings. Now re-attach the AM21. It should change to "Sat & Antenna" when you go back to the menu. Your last home zip will probably still appear, hopefully that is the zip of the WY channels you want. Make sure your antenna is receiving the channels at their best. Run that initial set-up, say a prayer, say another, and when it's finally done, hopefully you'll see the WY channels with the correct guide.

coconut10

Dec 15, 2016

Kasie5812 said:
Hello,
I live in a very small area, in Wyoming. We only have access to a few local channels with an antenna, or cable, or even DISH, but DirectTV does not carry any. I just recently switched to Direct TV after a salesman incorrectly informed me that if I were to buy a very inexpensive ($34) indoor HD Antenna, I would be able to hook it directly into my satellite and access all the local channels through my receiver, and be able to use the DVR. Instead, so far, I have had to return the $34 antenna and purchase a much more pricey outdoor antenna, as well as an AM21.

I am now able to tune in to most of the OTA channels, but the guide is incorrect for every one of them. I am also still missing 2 of the local channels I would like to receive. I have reset the AM21 several times and repeated the scan. I have reset the DTV receiver several times.

I have tried to input several different zip codes, as described earlier in this thread. I downloaded the TPN Map and am using that to look up possible channel matches. (In fact, it lists the local channels from my area on the correct station, even though my guide does not). I have tried using the new zip codes as both the primary and secondary markets.

Nothing seems to work. Which leads me to a few questions...

1. When I reset the DTV receiver and go back into Antenna setup, the zip code I last typed is still there. Does that mean I did not properly reset the AM21, or reset the DTV receiver incorrectly? I am resetting them by unplugging for several minutes. Also, several times I have clicked on Reset Settings on the Antenna Setup Screen, but nothing ever seems to change. The last time, I actually checked the guide before going back in to ensure that the channels were no longer available. But my primary ZIP code was still there.

2. When I type in the various zip codes, am I supposed to be doing it in the primary or secondary market, or both? (I have tried each, but never both) If the secondary, am I always supposed to retype my primary zip code as the Primary market? Or can I try to use two different zip codes for each scan?

3. Am I supposed to uncheck the stations for which the guide is incorrect (under Edit Off Air Channels) before I do the scan with the new ZIP/ZIPS?

Thank you for your assistance!

You should receive all of the channels (that are in D* database for Casper) that your antenna receives, WITH the correct guide. If you are not, you must have bought a used AM21 and the former zips are causing you to get the wrong guides. It sounds like you have properly cleared the AM21, but the AM21 can be funky sometimes and won't clear. By looking at Casper, their are only 2 channels that are not in the database. 13.2 and 20.2. These 2 channels are attainable (with the correct guide) using secondary zips. Tell me what channels you are looking for, and where the incorrect guides are coming from (what city) and I will try and help you.

coconut10

Dec 15, 2016

Here is the best procedure you can try. Start by resetting the AM21 on the antenna setup on the DVR. Then do a double reboot by unplugging the DVR/AM21. A double reboot is attained by, unplugging the DVR and letting it reboot. And as soon as it's back from the first reboot unplug it and let it reboot again. This will wipe your guide and some other things on the DVR also, but it will rebuild over 48 hrs. Then you have to be patient and let the DVR fully rebuild itself (12-48 hrs). This makes the DVR ready for the AM21. If you start running zip codes before the DVR is fully rebuilt, it stops the DVR from rebuilding completely. Then I would run your home zip as the primary and Macon GA (31201) as a secondary zip. The 2nd time run your home zip as primary and Denver CO (80202) as secondary. This should give you all the channels in the Casper area that your antenna receives. Macon gives you 13.2 with the correct guide and Denver gives you 20.2 with the correct guide.

Kasie5812

Dec 15, 2016

Thank you so much! Yes, I did purchase a used AM21, because, as far as I could tell they are difficult to find these days.

I have tried repeatedly to double reset my receiver, and I cannot get it to wipe the guide. I have tried unplugging it the second time while it is booting back up at each of the different phases in the process, as well as waiting until it is completely done rebooting the first time. In addition, even though I was able to get it to erase the antenna data yesterday when I started over, today, even with the antenna unplugged from the wall, and the USB disconnected from the DVR, the settings still displayed Sat & Antenna, even after rebooting the DVR several times. I am at a loss, but on the plus side, I have been able to get things to work, sort of.

In response to your request:
"Tell me what channels you are looking for, and where the incorrect guides are coming from (what city) and I will try and help you."

After following the instructions above, I was able to get the correct guide data for several channels, but I am still having trouble with the following:

*Channel 2-2 shows the same content as Channel 2-1, which is KTWO (ABC), but the guide is for KWGN (CW) which actually is on Channel 13-2, but everything is on one hour sooner than the guide shows. The guide for channel 13-2 is for WMAZ2, which is supposed to be CW, but it doesn't match any program data on the Casper CW as far as I can tell.

*Channel 13-1 is NBC (KCWY), but the guide is for WMAZ (CBS) out of Macon, GA.

*Channel 20-2 is a MyNetwork Channel, KTVD, but the guide for it is on 20-1, which is FOX. I have two Channel 20-1, and the first is correct, KFNB (FOX) with the correct guide.

Once again I really appreciate your assistance. I'm sure you can tell how technologically challenged I am!

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Whiskey Pick: Frey Ranch Straight Bourbon

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JSheridan

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 2:09 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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MikeD-C05

Sep 26, 2026

I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 26, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH

I have the same wish.

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

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charlesrshell

Yesterday at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

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bnewt

Yesterday at 3:30 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I have the same wish.

Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.

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telstar_1

Today at 12:08 AM

But how is it reusable if it's disposable

slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:09 AM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh

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dishstaller

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Last reply Today at 1:03 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Well crap....Donnie Iris died today

RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83

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Today at 12:39 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Yosemite HD

This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:41 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Might want to watch this before you buy a new vehicle battery

Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.

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harshness

Sunday at 11:33 AM

When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:53 PM

harshness said:
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

Jimbo

Sunday at 1:01 PM

dishstaller said:
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.

telstar_1

Sunday at 1:14 PM

He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves

arlo

Sunday at 2:20 PM

Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.

Opinions may vary.

harshness

Yesterday at 9:17 AM

Jimbo said:
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.

EarDemon

Yesterday at 11:32 PM

I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:41 PM

EarDemon said:
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.

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Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Yesterday at 11:12 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:22 PM

AI Overview

College Football Playoff bracket, schedule, scores, rankings ...

The 2025–26 College Football Playoff concluded with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national championship by defeating the Miami Hurricanes 27–21. [1, 2, 3]

Playoff Results Summary
The 12-team playoff bracket featured the following key results across each round: [1]

- First Round: Alabama defeated Oklahoma (34–24), Miami (Fla.) beat Texas A&M (10–3), Ole Miss topped Tulane (41–10), and Oregon defeated James Madison (51–34) at higher-seeded campus sites.
- Quarterfinals: Miami (Fla.) upset Ohio State (24–14), Oregon shut out Texas Tech (23–0), top-ranked Indiana rolled past Alabama (38–3), and Ole Miss edged Georgia (39–34) across the New Year's Six bowls.
- Semifinals: Miami (Fla.) advanced past Ole Miss (31–27) in the Peach Bowl, while Indiana dominant-defeated Oregon (56–22) in the Fiesta Bowl.
- National Championship: Indiana secured the title with a 27–21 victory over Miami (Fla.) at Hard Rock Stadium. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Unfortunately, there was not rankings listed in this summary

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:49 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick

Yespage

Yesterday at 9:59 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:12 PM

Yespage said:
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ... :coco