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Tampa8
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In light of what appears to be DISH taking a hard stand against WGN being included in the Tribune locals contract as an overvalued channel DISH does not want to be forced to carry, and their past negotiations regarding that issue, this is interesting... Finally someone is coming around to maybe changing things. NBC.

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/96586/burkes-right-there-are-too-many-channels

Along with DISH making a move closer to A La Carte I think the tipping point has just been reached. Lets hope. :)
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MikeD-C05
Charlie seems to be more focused on making more profits from subs who will stay long term with DISH rather than add more subs. So putting profits over growth in his situation. Which is why the profits increased (small but an increase) over last year at this time, even though the sub losses were the biggest loss ever. In the articles I have read he says this as much. He recognizes that not only is satellite tv a mature industry, but is in serious decline -at least for DISH it is. Directv doesn't seem to be suffering that loss and is even adding more subs due to the conversion of Uverse accounts to Directv by ATT. He seems to be putting all his faith into Sling tv and thinks that it will be his salvation long term. I don't agree. Without a dvr or cloud function included in Sling tv , I just don't see it working out. People do NOT want to watch commercials PERIOD. Satellite will always have a future as long as there is rural areas with little to no competition. IF Broadband was prevalent all over the country than ott service would be great, but I don't see this happening without the government stepping in and mandating it.

Either way I don't see the trend of sub losses reversing on DISH's part. Especially if Charlie is putting profits over growth. But it would explain why he is standing up to channel companies over carriage and taking down channels like WGN and may not even bring them back. He is making all the money he can, off the remaining subs he has and damn the whole growth strategy. He can do this for quite a while , till the sub losses are so great that even he can't ignore them. When the board members and stock holders start worrying about long term growth and viability as a company , then maybe this will change. If not we are at the beginning of the end of DISH and can expect a sell out of the company to the highest bidder, so Charlie can go out while the company is still making profits.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dish-loses-281000-pay-tv-913145
bobvick
. IF Broadband was prevalent all over the country than ott service would be great, but I don't see this happening without the government stepping in and mandating it.

I don't see it ever happening, but what we need for rural America is a 21st century version of the REA. If the government could provide grants, low interest loans and subsidies to rural electric coops and allow them to get into the broadband business we could see REAL broadband in rural areas. Unfortunately the large telecom companies have Federal, State, county, and municipal governments in their hip pockets to keep anything such as this from happening. Hence rural dwellers such as myself are stuck with subpar service from telecoms such as CenturyLink, Frontier, or FairPoint for DSL or have to pay exorbitant prices to AT&T or Verizon for low data cap fixed LTE service.
M
I don't see it ever happening, but what we need for rural America is a 21st century version of the REA. If the government could provide grants, low interest loans and subsidies to rural electric coops and allow them to get into the broadband business we could see REAL broadband in rural areas. Unfortunately the large telecom companies have Federal, State, county, and municipal governments in their hip pockets to keep anything such as this from happening. Hence rural dwellers such as myself are stuck with subpar service from telecoms such as CenturyLink, Frontier, or FairPoint for DSL or have to pay exorbitant prices to AT&T or Verizon for low data cap fixed LTE service.

I will also start a low cost Rural Cable TV Satellite company for you as long as it is funded by the federal government. It sounds like a sweet job, but you probably have to contribute to somebody's campaign or foundation first.
bobvick
I will also start a low cost Rural Cable TV Satellite company for you as long as it is funded by the federal government. It sounds like a sweet job, but you probably have to contribute to somebody's campaign or foundation first.
My thinking was along the lines that the Rural Electric Coops could provide this service. They have the poles and right-of-ways already to get the service to customers, they have that much of the infrastructure already in place, the funding would be needed for the other materials needed to provide broadband services. I imagine one big sticking point in many States, counties, and municipalities would be that the local telephone company would claim that they had an exclusive franchise for voice/data for a particular area, and a not for profit like a coop couldn't compete with them.
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My thinking was along the lines that the Rural Electric Coops could provide this service. They have the poles and right-of-ways already to get the service to customers, they have that much of the infrastructure already in place, the funding would be needed for the other materials needed to provide broadband services. I imagine one big sticking point in many States, counties, and municipalities would be that the local telephone company would claim that they had an exclusive franchise for voice/data for a particular area, and a not for profit like a coop couldn't compete with them.

They are already on it, of course their zone 10 ends a half mile or so from my lake house :(

https://register.lrecok.net/campaigns/lake-region-technology-communications

A New Necessity, Fiber-to-the-Home

In the 1930s, rural America had been left in the dark as electricity made its way across the country. Electricity had become a modern necessity, and big cities enjoyed the opportunities this emerging technology brought. But rural folks had to do without.

Into the gap stepped the hardworking men and women of rural America who formed electric cooperatives to bring power to areas that had been overlooked. In our part of Oklahoma, they formed Lake Region Electric Cooperative.

In the 21st century, a new technology is emerging: Broadband Internet. This new technology is transforming lives and bringing economic development to the areas that adopt it. Once again, we have been left behind. Your cooperative must step up to the plate and do what others won't do.

Lake Region Electric Cooperative (LREC) is implementing a fiber-based communication system across our electric grid. With this investment, we are able to provide fiber-to-the-home internet service through Lake Region Technology and Communications, a subsidiary of LREC. You will enjoy access to blazing high-speed internet, crystal-clear HD television and unlimited local and long distance home phone.
bobvick
They are already on it, of course their zone 10 ends a half mile or so from my lake house :(

https://register.lrecok.net/campaigns/lake-region-technology-communications

A New Necessity, Fiber-to-the-Home

In the 1930s, rural America had been left in the dark as electricity made its way across the country. Electricity had become a modern necessity, and big cities enjoyed the opportunities this emerging technology brought. But rural folks had to do without.

Into the gap stepped the hardworking men and women of rural America who formed electric cooperatives to bring power to areas that had been overlooked. In our part of Oklahoma, they formed Lake Region Electric Cooperative.

In the 21st century, a new technology is emerging: Broadband Internet. This new technology is transforming lives and bringing economic development to the areas that adopt it. Once again, we have been left behind. Your cooperative must step up to the plate and do what others won't do.

Lake Region Electric Cooperative (LREC) is implementing a fiber-based communication system across our electric grid. With this investment, we are able to provide fiber-to-the-home internet service through Lake Region Technology and Communications, a subsidiary of LREC. You will enjoy access to blazing high-speed internet, crystal-clear HD television and unlimited local and long distance home phone.
That sounds great. I wish that my coop (Tombigbee Electric) could do that. Unfortunately it is quite small, it has a service area similar to Lake Region, but with only about 7,500 customers. I doubt they could (without major grants) do a fiber buildout such as that. I might send them an email and see if they have ever considered doing anything like that.
Bronxiniowa
Bundling won't die. Have you shopped for a new car lately? To get the options you want, you have to also pay an additional two grand for stuff that's useless, like alloy wheels and a spoiler.
dare2be
I can understand bundling on cars. Mass production is cheaper when there are limited configuration options. If you want leather interior or sunroof, or navi system, you need to get them all. I'm sure the option groups are chosen based on most common requested/purchased consumer choices.

Bundling channels owned by the same company is nothing more than extortion, because they can.
Bronxiniowa
I can understand bundling on cars. Mass production is cheaper when there are limited configuration options. If you want leather interior or sunroof, or navi system, you need to get them all. I'm sure the option groups are chosen based on most common requested/purchased consumer choices.

Bundling channels owned by the same company is nothing more than extortion, because they can.
Same with carmakers.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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The Heart of Rock & Roll - Huey Lewis and the News
harshness
Closer to the Heart - Rush
sdfntx
Coming from the Heart - The Searchers
Bobby
The Saints Are Coming - U2
dishstaller
Coming Back to Life - Pink Floyd
teachsac
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Bruce
AMC+ is on sale for $40 for the year, the no commercials plan.

For basically $3.34 a month, thought I would give it a try again.

Today is the last day for the deal.
R
AMC+ is on sale for $40 for the year, the no commercials plan.

For basically $3.34 a month, thought I would give it a try again.

Today is the last day for the deal.
Thanks for spending my $$. I figured I would try it also.
navychop
Hmmmm.
Jimbo
We should be coming into the Streaming Deals time of year :)

I will be looking for Yearly deals, not the 7 day trial or a 1 month deal like we had the last year or so.
Jimbo
I just managed to get 30% on Paramount Plus Commercial Free Yearly ... total was $99.
I haven't gotten the 50% off deal in a few years, so when she said $99, I thought that was a pretty good deal, that includes Showtime, which I rarely watch, but its there .
dishstaller
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Now first, I'll mention that the area of FL I live in has extremely high humidity and not a lot of wind so things don't dry out very well for extended periods of time.
I'm in the process of tearing down and rebuilding a pergola with a surrounding deck that I built 9 yrs ago. 90% of the deck screws are just sheering off at the head because the screws rusted out. These are the deck screws you buy in the 25 lb box at your lumber yard. Very annoying. So I just ordered some 316L stainless steel screws to use for when I go to rebuild it.
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AZ.
AZ.
Now first, I'll mention that the area of FL I live in has extremely high humidity and not a lot of wind so things don't dry out very well for extended periods of time.
I'm in the process of tearing down and rebuilding a pergola with a surrounding deck that I built 9 yrs ago. 90% of the deck screws are just sheering off at the head because the screws rusted out. These are the deck screws you buy in the 25 lb box at your lumber yard. Very annoying. So I just ordered some 316L stainless steel screws to use for when I go to rebuild it.
Screws are all crap, soft and useless! Sick of going through 3 to get one not to break, strip or shear! I aint that strong in my old age!
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comfortably_numb
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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Jimbo
Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
Howard Simmons
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
Jimbo
But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
Sorry, my point was the expense.
comfortably_numb
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.

Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
Jimbo
Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
I guess if it was something I used on a regular basis, I suppose.
meStevo
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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HipKat
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
M
Watched the Colts wrestle defeat from the jaws of victory one more time. We need a coach. A REAL coach. Until then, thank the Lord for Sunday ticket. Imo, Jones isn't responsible for the losses, it's as group effort and he is the top QB on the roster.
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Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
R
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
So is Kelce.
meStevo
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
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Y
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.
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zippyfrog
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
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Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:
  • Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
  • Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
    • 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
    • 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
    • 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
    • 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
    • 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
    • 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
  • During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
  • Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
  • Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
  • There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
    • At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
    • At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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zippyfrog
With the extra hour I had this morning, I updated the listings. Another month has passed, and nothing has moved off 110 to 119 for the national channels. I really thought those handful of transponders on 119 would have been populated with the national channels from 110, but no change.

Can someone who has a Hopper tell me if the 4k channels are still on 110 and if so, what transponder?
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Bobby
With the extra hour I had this morning, I updated the listings. Another month has passed, and nothing has moved off 110 to 119 for the national channels. I really thought those handful of transponders on 119 would have been populated with the national channels from 110, but no change.

Can someone who has a Hopper tell me if the 4k channels are still on 110 and if so, what transponder?
They appear to be on 110, transponder 8.
zippyfrog
They appear to be on 110, transponder 8.
Thanks! I do have my listing correct then.
zippyfrog
Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now. TP 02, 04, 06, 08, 10 were all functioning as Spotbeams as of last week, but now they are ConUS.

This means all 21 transponders that Dish has access to at 119 are now ConUS.
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Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now.
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
zippyfrog
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
Nope - TP 1-13 are still ConUS on 110. Which is crazy...there are so many different spotbeams on the new 110 satellite compared to the older 110 or 119. Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now? If so, it looks like TP 1-13 are coming from the old satellite at 110 and 14 onward are spotbeams on the new satellite.
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D
Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now?
Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?
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teachsac
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Hondo is back with a new squad 9/25 only on Starz.


View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/b0gPzA8KHEQ
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teachsac
Started watching yesterday. Not too bad.
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Scott Greczkowski
Wife likes it.
teachsac
I like Zyra from La Brea (one with the prosthetic).
teachsac
Caught up last night with episodes 4-6. I like it. Better than a lot of the shows on regular broadcast tv.