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knighthammer
Last reply · posted in General Home Theater Equipment
Looking for a 1080p, 120hz HDTV. 48" - 50" screen. Don't need a Smart TV. Price is definitely an issue! Any ideas???
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raoul5788
Here's an excellent deal on a 50" UHD Samsung.
www.target.com/p/samsung-un50ku6300-50-smart-uhd-4k-120-motion-rate-tv/-/A-50714354
I see the price went up $220. Still not a bad deal.
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Here's an excellent deal on a 50" UHD Samsung.
I see the price went up $220. Still not a bad deal.

Samsung KU 6290 may be decently cheaper, it's the same TV and panel minus bluetooth and a tier one brand 4K SDR set I would buy but I already have a 4K HDR Sony XBR and Samsung 1080p 64f8500 Plasma .and so on and Sony OLED may happen in here at some point .

For decent 4K SDR I would get the Samsung KU 6290 or the KU 6300 if I wanted bluetooth and not even consider a 1080p in 2017 noting both are 60Hz panels and HDTV upscaled to the 4K panel looks better on these TV's than a 1080p TV anyway and most of what 1080p that is left isn't bright and they are mostly blue light special rubbish now .
harshness
For decent 4K SDR I would get the Samsung KU 6290 or the KU 6300 if I wanted bluetooth and not even consider a 1080p in 2017 noting both are 60Hz panels and HDTV upscaled to the 4K panel looks better on these TV's than a 1080p TV anyway and most of what 1080p that is left isn't bright and they are mostly blue light special rubbish now .
Another thread had the question of whether HDR is worth it. The other side of the same coin is whether or not SDR is worth getting a new TV for.
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Another thread had the question of whether HDR is worth it. The other side of the same coin is whether or not SDR is worth getting a new TV for.

IMO both are good arguments depending on a purchaser's budget .

I fall on the Wide color gamut 4K HDR TV side because I can afford them as I replace TV's here that will be used for that or if I upgrade but with the state of broad market affordable HDR content and moreover ATSC 3.0 HDR HLG broadcasting off in the distance and the availability of 4K SDR YouTube , 4K SDR Netflix and 4K SDR Amazon for more constrained budgets like I had when I was younger I belive 4K SDR even upscaling 720p.1080i/1080p is a valid argument over a 1080p TV in 2017 .

Upscaled 4K SDR LCD looks better than 1080p LCD anyway .
harshness
...ATSC 3.0 HDR HLG broadcasting off in the distance..
Two things:

o Hybrid Log-Gamma (HLG) is one particular method of achieving HDR so using them together is redundant

o If the content to be broadcast doesn't include HLG encoding, will they be able to synthesize it in real time from the available HDR information (HRD10, DV or a player to be named later)?

Thus far, it appears that HLG is not yet a real time process.
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Two things:

o Hybrid Log-Gamma (HLG) is one particular method of achieving HDR so using them together is redundant

o If the content to be broadcast doesn't include HLG encoding, will they be able to synthesize it in real time from the available HDR information (HRD10, DV or a player to be named later)?

Thus far, it appears that HLG is not yet a real time process.

From your official link noting I was never referring to synthesize HDR content my TV can do all that ,
ATSC S34-168r8 Video – HEVC 17 January 2017
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6.3.2.3 HLG transfer characteristics
For HDR video with the HLG transfer characteristics, the following constraints apply
read more :
http://atsc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/A341S34-168r8-Video-HEVC.pdf
harshness
For HDR video with the HLG transfer characteristics, the following constraints apply
The key phrase there is "with HLG transfer characteristics". As there is currently no source for HLG encoded video, it doesn't matter whether they can transfer the data or not since it doesn't exist and it reportedly isn't trivial to synthesize from HDR10 or DV.

ATSC 3.0 is in a chicken and egg situation where they need to convince us that it ATSC 3.0 is a big step up for us while the repack will create a situation where they may not have enough bandwidth to deliver the potential wins that will entice us to upgrade our tuners. I think they're making a big, possibly fatal, mistake not allowing for HDR and WCG at lower resolutions because, as we've discussed, those features will consume entire RF channels when combined with their requisite 3840x2160p resolution.
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I only know what I read about ATSC 3.0 ,HLG HDR and so on and only what I can understand of all that and that might not always be right .

Nothing interesting for me OTA ouside of sports and 4 weekly procedural dramas on the alphabet networks .

.There are about 4 hours of primetime alphabet network programming I watch or record to D*TV Genie HR 54 DVR .

The rest feeding the 55" 4K HDR Sony in here is Roku .The Sony TV Android platform apps like Youtube ,Netflix,Amazon Prime up to 4K HDR ,Hulu Plus ,Vudu HDX ,Bloomberg, Android Kodi,2160p Windows 10 and so on , 217 Installed Roku Channels in the hockey puck and my media drives up to high bit rate 4K HDR eye candy and stock footage and OTA locals for sports telecasts or the 4 Prime time shows .

Not surprised that traditional TV viewing is declining ,the alphabet networks are deliberately ignorant deserts devoid of much beyond rubbish for the poverty stricken huddled masses ,mindless revisionist history education oppressed proletariat and the PC brainwashed snowflakes .

ATSC 3.0 changes nothing here beyond what I watch out of that ignorant intellectually devoid desert.

It may change some local major league sports or Stanford and UC ball if they are on locally and the 4 alphabet network shows.


TBH HDR ain't always all that and most of the time it isn't outside of an HDR Blue Ray and even those vary and can be from 2K intermediates anyway .

HDR varies from excellent to rubbish with any given production that may just as well be having me on my 1080p Roku instead for the same program or movie if the TV Anrdoid browser in my 4K HDR Sony XBR won't spring me out from locked in HDR jail on a given program , .it doesn't always turn HDR on and off or turn it off when it turns it on, ever seen a solarized weather channel babe ?

This TV is HDR 10 only .I 'm sure My PC can work around that with the right HDCP 2.2 HDR d/GPU if I don't upgrade this TV like I usually do at ~2 years maybe 3 this time ,I'm 15 months into this one now and it's doing very well against 2016 HDR product and its better than a lot of it even the same 2016 Sony .


Upgrading bt 709 rubbish to wide color ~DCI in the Sony XBR is the imperative here given the state of HDR and why I bought it along with the HDD and IPTV hires eye candy and decent 4K Youtube which is getting plentiful now .

If you have 4K WCG HDR or 4K SDR with the piss poor blue LED lamps with yellow phosphor and poor color volume because of that like any blue lamp LED here is an eye candy spot for downloads, lots of TV factory demos and so on up to 4K HDR and 8K.

I have all the good stuff there and lots of other good stuff on my hires eye candy HDD's .

Major free 4K eye candy downloads

http://demo-uhd3d.com/index.php
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FWIW I predict 8K TV will be a bust and only for nuevo rich peasants bragging rights and maybe spendy medical imaging due to lack of content and content delivery outside of Japan and some other Asian regions ,the Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer yachts , Larry Ellison's Forbidden Island and maybe Dubai in the Emirates , Trump Force One and The new B2 Spirit Bomber airframe USAF ONE .....,Zuckerberg probably uses VR headsets or his own Digital IMAX anyway
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harshness
Capability doesn't mean success or even a modest run at delivering something new and compelling. Remember 3D televisions? If you do, you should probably write down what you remember for posterity because they are history.
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Capability doesn't mean success or even a modest run at delivering something new and compelling. Remember 3D televisions? If you do, you should probably write down what you remember for posterity because they are history.

Right , I have 2 the Samsung 64f8500 plasma and the 2015 Sony 4K HDR is also 3D but I never use 3D and never tried it on either one.

You are right 3DTV going the way of HD DVD and 8K on the broad market will be like the Ford Motor Edsel Mcnamara hated and wouldent support and that killed it .while the millennials will still be buying mobiles or 4K oled super thin or flexible or something else .

Edsel was a cross between a Ford and Mercury like an like an upscale from a Ford but not quite a Mercury with its own trim and style cues .

By 1960 there was nothing wrong with the Edsel beyond a shifting market and it was the wrong product at the wrong time and not marketed well and way too close to the Mercury price as opposed to the Ford product that was ugly too anyway outside of the Ford Sunliner and 4 seat T bird (the first gen.big Bird )and the only big one I like they got way to fat after that .

The absurd Edsel horsecollar grill was gone by 1960 but Mcnamara perhaps wisely killed it given the compounding errors and bad timing and then he went on and ultimately probably kept us out of WWIII during the 10 days of October I rember all too well anyway .

They don't teach any of that anymore , I grew up then anyway .
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Foxbat
Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
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Ronnie-
Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.


Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.


It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.
navychop
I've saved a boatload of money!
navychop
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.
Foxbat
The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.
navychop
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
KAB
KAB
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?
Not a bit. IMO, apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only stick I with the Apple tv's is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is not worth sticking with it. Later, Apple!
Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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Guide says Nascar race, I get the baseball game on two channels.
long_time_Dish
Guide says Nascar race, I get the baseball game on two channels.
Yeah, I was bummed. It was supposed to be the NASCAR race in 4K...
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jsmit86
Regarding the no sound bug when watching 4K HDR events or DVR recordings with Dolby set to ON:
I got rolled back to H708 last night after getting an email from the support team. It fixed the bug.

The email indicated that they believed they found the issue, and if the fix works, they would roll it out via an update in the coming weeks.

So... we should see that bug exterminated in the near future.
long_time_Dish
148-04 says the NASCAR race on at noon on Sunday. Be interesting to see if it is.
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MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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Foxbat
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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Bobby
Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.🙁

I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.

edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.
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Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
​
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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K
Now testing on the stream server:
WJBF-D2 CW Augusta GA
KSVI-D2 CW Billings MT
WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
K
PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.
D
Weekly Analysis for 10/14/2026:
K
NBA League Pass prep

Some more reshuffles
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The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.
They finally announced ClipperVision, it will be on DIRECTV, but they didn't provide a channel number yet.

EDIT: It's going to be on channel 693
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WETM-D2 CW Elmira NY
WJET-D2 CW Erie PA
KLFY-D2 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-D2 CW Monroe LA
WVBT-D2 CW Norfolk VA
WTWO-D2 CW Terre Haute IN
WFXV-D2 CW Utica NY
KFDX-D3 CW Wichita Falls TX
These are now live on stream and weren't testing on satellite as of yesterday:
WETM-DT/19 CW Elmira
WJET-DT/25 CW Erie
KLFY-DT/11 CW Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 CW Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 CW Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 CW Utica
KFDX-DT/4 CW Wichita Falls
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The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.
West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers


Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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dfergie
Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
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Really good one with OG Gibbs bookending it...
Will the OG Gibbs be on NCIS or will Tony be on NCIS Origins?
dfergie
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
R
Tony was there at the end of the episode with Gibbs.
I saw Gibbs walk into the door, but I did not see Tony.
Anony55
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.

They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.

Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.

On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.

It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.

I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Nebugeater
Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Former member 208119
lovin my hopper 3 and my wireless joey i can roll the tv all over the house if i wanted to :oops: 🤔
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Former member 208119
Class action.
a hopper 3 with 6 firesticks and or if you wanna spend even more money apple tv's
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Got a 211k that works fine, and I no longer need it if someone wants to throw me a few bucks and pay shipping. Not tied to my account as of last week. Used with a tailgater and got a wally
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.
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Nebugeater
Is the 211k still available? If so, I'm interested.


Actually, it is. A couple of people PMed me when I posted this, and when I asked for an address, they never responded. Then I just sort of let it go. Send me a PM to continue the discussion
Anony55
Well, after nine months of being on pause, I finally figured out that I was wasting $5 a month. So I cancelled. For the first time since 2010, I no longer have a Dish account.

I do have to say that I did appreciate the account pause option. That just gives a person some time to see what the fallout of cancelling will be... without having to go all the way over the cliff first.

Since I never once had an "oh shoot, I need Dish Network for..." moment, the decision was a lot easier.

Funny enough, when I called to cancel (for real, not playing the pricing game), all of a sudden, they were offering me deals that I was told before that I couldn't get without changing out my VIP211k. Now, I could have had those specials with them just sending me a new card for the receiver. LOL!

Of course, my mind was already made up because of having not missed the service while on pause. That, and the fact that I bet the 211k still kills recordings.

All in all, I'm glad that I had Dish for all those years. I just outgrew the need, and they pressed the issue by deleting recordings. I would have eventually went this route without the deleted recordings issue. But, for sure, that did hasten the outcome.

I'll still pop in at this site from time to time. Believe it or not, I still have a C/Ku BUD that I intend on playing with again if life ever slows down.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution - AC/DC
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Kiss - The Art Of Noise
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Beautiful Noise - Neil Diamond
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White Noise - Jessie Baylin
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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
osu1991
AZ.
AZ.
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
Jimbo
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:
  • All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
    • Independent of record too! Bonus.
  • MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
  • I'm out of ideas.
Cons
  • Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
    • Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
  • Going to start resting players?
    • The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
    • Resting players could make games dumb.
    • Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
  • How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!
This will be a SAD DAY when this passes ....

They complained the last year that we had a bunch of Blow Outs in the Playoffs ... heres an idea, lets Double the amount of teams and hope for Closer games ... ya right.

This never should have went past 8 teams, 10 at the most.

Now, I have heard that play in games are being talked about, such as #13 plays #24 and so forth, to cut the field down (why cut it down, just don't expand it.)
I'm not sure exactly how thats going to work out or if it was just someone talking.

They were also talking about starting the Season earlier ...

I really don't like the National Championship game being the end of January ... if the Semi Finals are over New Years, thats fine with the Championship game the next week.
Jimbo
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...