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In attempting to troubleshoot a persistent Netflix Buffering issue im trying to get an answer to the topics question.

I've searched a lot through these forums and read people say that it streams through dish and not through netflix directly, but I would hope we could get a firm answer on that if someone knows. By anecdotal evidence it appears that the content is streamed through dish, that maybe dishes servers act as a relay from Netflix? Because if you use other devices to stream on the same exact connection from the same location, with the same wireless network protocol, the non-dish devices all work.

My clients H3 is hardwired directly to the router and it is constantly buffering giving speeds between 500kbps to 2mbit which is just horrible. He can pull a consistent 60mbit directly hardwired to the modem from any computer.

It just does not make very much sense that Dish is doing this. Why would they so negatively impact their customers experience? Its almost like its on purpose, that they are purposefully sabotaging via packet shaping the streaming experience for netflix, in a not so subtle way of saying "Dont get your content through they, they suck"

Except netflix works GREAT, so long as you dont get it through Dishes hardware.

My client is on Cox communications for his ISP, and I have him test fast.com for his speed tests whenever he experiences buffering issues. Since fast.com is netflixes servers, my understanding is if they (The ISP) are packet shaping netflix, that it should also slow down the fast.com connection.

But it doesn't. His connection is always great on fast.com while netflix says its buffering at 1mbit on the H3
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Just wanted to update you all, I upgraded from the Netgear N900 to a Arris 6900-AC and it seems the issue has disappeared. Im not sure why the H3 and the Netgear N900 were not playing nice, as nothing specification wise or configuration wise should have hampered the H3, yet it was clearly bottlenecking with that setup.

I was able to see some 100mbit + streaming speeds on the H3 once changed.

Since this hardware is new to me, I was wondering if any of you could be so kind to answer some questions.

I hardwired one of the Joey's with ethernet via the router and within the status it says ethernet connected but disabled. Yet within that joey's and the H3's configuration, I could not find any place to change settings over to ethernet from wireless? The H3 itself is hardwired ethernet and has a wireless joey "master" (unsure what its called) to speak to the other 3 joey's within the house wirelessly. One of the joey's was having issues streaming so i wanted to hardwire it to see if I could increase throughput for HBO/Netflix.

Will the Joey be able to use Ethernet directly connected to the router? Or does it require you to run the ethernet from the H3's 2nd ethernet port? Odd that ethernet was connected and verified working yet status said it was not being used. Didn't know if there's some weird proprietary interconnectivity between the H3 and joey's required.
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Will the Joey be able to use Ethernet directly connected to the router? Or does it require you to run the ethernet from the H3's 2nd ethernet port? Odd that ethernet was connected and verified working yet status said it was not being used. Didn't know if there's some weird proprietary interconnectivity between the H3 and joey's required.
You can not connect a Joey to a wireless router. Nor, does Dish "support" a direct ethernet connection to the Hopper (though most times it works). Moca via coax is the supported method.
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You can not connect a Joey to a wireless router. Nor, does Dish "support" a direct ethernet connection to the Hopper (though most times it works). Moca via coax is the supported method.
Dish "supports" a Ethernet connection just fine to the Hopper.
It an option in every manual as well as all the trouble shooting steps.

Directv is the ones that don't support Ethernet on their Genies
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Hall
Dish "supports" a Ethernet connection just fine to the Hopper.
I'm thinking he means an ethernet connection from the Hopper to a Joey
Bobby
I'm thinking he means an ethernet connection from the Hopper to a Joey
From his last description the Master Joey on top of the H3 is certainly a WAP for the wireless Joey in the kitchen. The other Joeys are connected via coax and are MOca connected... The H3 is ethernet connected....
Hall
Will the Joey be able to use Ethernet directly connected to the router? Or does it require you to run the ethernet from the H3's 2nd ethernet port? Odd that ethernet was connected and verified working yet status said it was not being used. Didn't know if there's some weird proprietary interconnectivity between the H3 and joey's required.

You can not connect a Joey to a wireless router. Nor, does Dish "support" a direct ethernet connection to the Hopper (though most times it works). Moca via coax is the supported method.

From his last description the Master Joey on top of the H3 is certainly a WAP for the wireless Joey in the kitchen. The other Joeys are connected via coax and are MOca connected... The H3 is ethernet connected....
I was referring to the above
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From his last description the Master Joey on top of the H3 is certainly a WAP for the wireless Joey in the kitchen. The other Joeys are connected via coax and are MOca connected... The H3 is ethernet connected....

That is correct.

So if im understanding this correctly the coax that is connected to the joey's is not just for TV, but for internet, as its doing MoCA over Coax, forming a private VLAN between the H3 and the other Joey's? Because one of the upstairs joey's that is coax connected was having problems buffering HBO on demand. As soon as I connected a RJ45 to the ethernet port from the house's main router, then the buffering issues stopped. But from the conversation in the thread, it sounds like that would not have even done anything? That the ethernet should not have even worked, or done anything? Perhaps it was just coincidental.

So the joey's will get their data from the H3 no matter what? It basically acts as a router to the joey and redistributes IP based traffic to them?
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That is correct.

So if im understanding this correctly the coax that is connected to the joey's is not just for TV, but for internet, as its doing MoCA over Coax, forming a private VLAN between the H3 and the other Joey's? Because one of the upstairs joey's that is coax connected was having problems buffering HBO on demand. As soon as I connected a RJ45 to the ethernet port from the house's main router, then the buffering issues stopped. But from the conversation in the thread, it sounds like that would not have even done anything? That the ethernet should not have even worked, or done anything? Perhaps it was just coincidental.

So the joey's will get their data from the H3 no matter what? It basically acts as a router to the joey and redistributes IP based traffic to them?

Just wanted to bump this question to see if anyone could clarify?

Thanks community!
Scott Greczkowski
Yes if you have a HIC connected then it sends internet to the other receivers in the house.


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That is correct.

So if im understanding this correctly the coax that is connected to the joey's is not just for TV, but for internet, as its doing MoCA over Coax, forming a private VLAN between the H3 and the other Joey's? Because one of the upstairs joey's that is coax connected was having problems buffering HBO on demand. As soon as I connected a RJ45 to the ethernet port from the house's main router, then the buffering issues stopped. But from the conversation in the thread, it sounds like that would not have even done anything? That the ethernet should not have even worked, or done anything? Perhaps it was just coincidental.

So the joey's will get their data from the H3 no matter what? It basically acts as a router to the joey and redistributes IP based traffic to them?

When I had a hopper 2 and Joey 1, I used an Ethernet cable in the back of the Joey and it worked. I don't believe it was "officially" supported, but worked non the less.

From what I understand, it's just bits. Bits are bits regardless of the medium. It's not creating a VLAN, as that's more of a managed switch thing, but it's IP based Ethernet frames. The frames will either be sent over coaxial via MoCA or over the LAN via Ethernet. Since the Joey is on the same LAN as the hopper on the same subnet, it'll get the frames because the hopper will send the frames with a header with the IP of the Joey and it'll be routed to the Joey via the Router.

That's assuming that the Joey gets its IP and subnet from DHCP when connected via Ethernet.

Of course, I don't believe Ethernet connections are officially supported, but it worked with older equipment. It was probably not supported because tech support troubleshooting LANs with customers wasn't very cost efficient. If I were to guess, and from what you said, it'll still work with Hopper 3s and current Joeys.

As to why the Ethernet connection worked better than MoCA.. I'd blame that on a bad coaxial cable or splitter somewhere.

This is coming from more of a network guy than a Hopper/Joey guy.


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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For - David Cook
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Looking for the Next Best Thing - Warren Zevon
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Werewolves Of London - Warren Zevon
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The Fountain of Lamneth - Rush
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Monday 10-26, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Tuesday 10-27, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Florida vs Georgia, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, Wisconsin at Iowa, Saturday 10-31, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona St at BYU, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Alabama at LSU, Saturday 11-7, 12:30PM PST, Channel 148-03.
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WildBill
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I've been having intermittent problems with Amazon Prime video programs loading using the H3 guide listing. I can get to the program I want to watch, but when I try to view it, it starts to load and then stalls. Eventually, a screen pops up saying "something went wrong, try again later". I've tried rebooting the hopper without success. Sometimes switching the HDMI input on my LG TV works, but not always. I don't have this problem on my phone or computer, so it is not a network or router issue.

I did a quick google search and found that this is a common problem associated with overloading or corruption of the data cache in the Amazon app and the solution is to clear the cache. Easy to do on a computer or phone, but I don't know how to do this on the H3. If anyone a solution or suggestion, I'd appreciate some help. Thanks.
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I gave up trying to watch Prime through my H3 a long time ago.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
Almighty1
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713
I have a Hopper Plus and no issues either. charlesrshell has both a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and one without, he doesn't have the same issue. Before blaming it on the Hopper Plus, he should see if the problem still exists without the Hopper Plus connected as it could be the Internet connection itself or some setting in the router itself. There is someone in another thread who has EHD issues on the Hopper 3 only setup but does not have the EHD issues on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and he has already tried swapping the EHD and it did not make a difference so like the saying, YMMV.
Almighty1
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!
The Roku costs $$$, Hopper Plus is free. That may not be the only costs as it depends if the TV in question still has available HDMI ports and if not, it will require a HDMI switch and HDMI cable which adds more to the cost.

I have a LG 3D OLED Smart TV and I still need either of them because it does not have Android TV built in. Add a Hopper Plus and see if you actually have issues or not as until you actually tried it, it means nothing.
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jsmit86
If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.
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If the OP has a router and a managed switch, that could be the problem.
I have a Hopper 3 and 5 Joey 4s. I recently updated my Router, Switch and access points with Ubiquiti UniFi gear. I had an issue where the switch interpreted the communication between the hopper internet connection and one of the Joeys as a data loop. I had to change some settings in the switch to re-enable that port. Your router could possibly be doing the same thing blocking the connection.

If your router has a malware connection setting, try disabling it temporarily, and see if the internet comes back. Contact your ISP and see if there is a block happening at the router or switch level, or via the ISP's threat protection.
Can you share what settings you had to change?

Required Inbound & Outbound Network Ports
The standard ports designated for DISH Hopper configurations include:
    • TCP Port 80 – HTTP communication
    • TCP Port 443 – HTTPS secure communication
    • TCP Port 5678 – Neighbor Discovery / Device Sync
    • UDP Port 80 – Alternative streaming/network data
    • UDP Port 443 – Alternative secure media streams
    • UDP Port 5678 – Remote pairing and network discovery
Critical Network & Security Considerations
    • UPnP (Universal Plug and Play): Enabling UPnP on your router is the easiest way to allow the Hopper to automatically handle its own port maps.
    Internal Communication (MoCA & Local LAN): The Hopper Plus and Joeys communicate internally over your local home network using router's default internal traffic policies. Local firewall software or strict internal VLAN isolation can block the Hopper 3 from seeing the Hopper Plus or Joey extensions.

    The other thing is that these are streaming channels which was why I asked if they have worked correctly even without the Hopper Plus as checking the post history of the OP, it appears that the Hopper Plus was added around 1/2 a year ago and from looking at my own Internet settings portion, all the Hopper 3 does is really measure signal strenth for WiFi and probably just check ping times to show it is connected or not to the internet, it does not check the actual speed or latency. Since the OP has a Hopper Plus, OP can always install the Speedtest app for diagnostics and then take a photo of the results and post it here. Before 2017, I used tȯhave 6Mbps/768Kbps ADSL and even though the Hopper 1 and Hopper 3 also showed internet connectivity is okay, everytime my Ring Doorbell is uploading, it would knock the entire internet connection off-line as the upload pipe would be 100% filled by the Ring Door bell uploading the video because the ACKnowledgement packets would not have priority being sent back in time which was fixed with QoS traffic shaping but that still does not mean streaming will work as it requires at least 25Mbps minimum or more if there are other devices on the same connection sharing the bandwidth.


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Can you share what settings you had to change?

Required Inbound & Outbound Network Ports
The standard ports designated for DISH Hopper configurations include:
    • TCP Port 80 – HTTP communication
    • TCP Port 443 – HTTPS secure communication
    • TCP Port 5678 – Neighbor Discovery / Device Sync
    • UDP Port 80 – Alternative streaming/network data
    • UDP Port 443 – Alternative secure media streams
    • UDP Port 5678 – Remote pairing and network discovery
Critical Network & Security Considerations
    • UPnP (Universal Plug and Play): Enabling UPnP on your router is the easiest way to allow the Hopper to automatically handle its own port maps.
    • Internal Communication (MoCA & Local LAN): The Hopper Plus and Joeys communicate internally over your local home network using router's default internal traffic policies. Local firewall software or strict internal VLAN isolation can block the Hopper 3 from seeing the Hopper Plus or Joey extensions.The other thing is that these are streaming channels which was why I asked if they have worked correctly even without the Hopper Plus as checking the post history of the OP, it appears that the Hopper Plus was added around 1/2 a year ago and from looking at my own Internet settings portion, all the Hopper 3 does is really measure signal strenth for WiFi and probably just check ping times to show it is connected or not to the internet, it does not check the actual speed or latency. Since the OP has a Hopper Plus, OP can always install the Speedtest app for diagnostics and then take a photo of the results and post it here. Before 2017, I used tȯhave 6Mbps/768Kbps ADSL and even though the Hopper 1 and Hopper 3 also showed internet connectivity is okay, everytime my Ring Doorbell is uploading, it would knock the entire internet connection off-line as the upload pipe would be 100% filled by the Ring Door bell uploading the video because the ACKnowledgement packets would not have priority being sent back in time which was fixed with QoS traffic shaping but that still does not mean streaming will work as it requires at least 25Mbps minimum or more if there are other devices on the same connection sharing the bandwidth.
This was for port settings for the switch, not the router.

Originally was recommended to use EDGE vs. Infrastructure, but had to change that back to Infrastructure.

Had to leave STP (Spanning tree protocol) ON, but disable BPDU guard, and also had to disable Non-STP loop protection.

The previous settings were flagging normal dish system packets as a data loop, and fully blocked that port on the UniFI Pro Max 16 POE switch.

These were specific to my managed switch, and may not apply to the OP's issue.
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Peter Parker
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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rvvaquero
That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.
GRB1959
That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.

This is exactly the same issue I was having as I had the Hopper 3 and 54 remote without the Hopper Plus and the symptoms were virtually identical to yours.
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ERSanders
We have had a corolary problem in this and the prior s/w. Using several different 40.0 remotes (yeah, we're old), when one pauses a live or recorded show it becomes a crap shoot whether it will step foreward the 30" as requested, jump to the end, or restart the episode. Tried the famous 60" reboot to no avail and have decided to live with it vs. a receiver swap risk.
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I think there's a change to the "skip forward 30 seconds". With CBS that does not have auto-skip, if you stack up a bunch of 30 second forwards it seems to stop when the kangaroo signaling the end of the commercial break appears.
long_time_Dish
Also posted this in the 3rd party remote thread.

My Hopper 3 updated itself to H713 last week and the IR issue is worse now. On H711, I could be on an SD channel for several hours and the IR side of my H3 would still be responsive without my having to tap the View button on my Pronto Pro every 15 minutes. Now, if I stay even on an SD channel without tapping the View button at least once an hour, it becomes unresponsive to my Pronto Pro without tapping the View button at least 5-20 times, just like on the HD and 4K channels. So, H713 actually made the issue worse. :(

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dfergie
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Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough toast.

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Grabbed a burrito on the run. Beef, pinto beans, green chile and cheese. Stewart's cream soda.

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Beef, bean green chile, cheese homemade burritos here... Water
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Was raining yesterday so I went to Sams up in Dothan to stock up on some things. Haven't been there in quite a while. I was amazed at how large most of the TVs were. When I walked in they had a 100 in Vizio (I think it was Vizio) that was marked down to something like $1,200. The first rows of TVs were all in the 80 in + sizes. The next couple of rows had the "smaller" models....those 75 and under. I was amazed at how small the 75s looked when lined up with the larger screens.
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osu1991
Q-LED and Mini LED panels have improved the picture quality and the tv's are so thin and nearly without bezels now. I've thought about replacing the 75in 4k DV/HDR LED Sony in my living room with a newer 86in. That's as big as I can go without construction changes. I watch the 75in 4k DV/HDR Q-LED in my bedroom and the difference between the two is very noticeable. There's nothing wrong with the living room tv though and I don't now that I actually watch enough anymore to really justify it. I could move it out to the patio but the 65in Q-LED out there looks really good and I'd have to change the mount to accomdate a larger tv out there.
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I'm at a limit for TV sizes at this time. My Father-in-Law crafted a custom entertainment center for our family room and we were restricted from going too big based on the side cabinets and central bridge fitting in the width of the room. It turns out to be where a 55" screen with bezels fits but no 65" bezel-less screen can fit. I think there was a brief period where 58" screens where a thing, but no more.

So, no huge screens for the Foxbat's…
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I'm at a limit for TV sizes at this time. My Father-in-Law crafted a custom entertainment center for our family room and we were restricted from going too big based on the side cabinets and central bridge fitting in the width of the room. It turns out to be where a 55" screen with bezels fits but no 65" bezel-less screen can fit. I think there was a brief period where 58" screens where a thing, but no more.

So, no huge screens for the Foxbat's…

55" is plenty big.
dishstaller
55" is plenty big.
And to think....I was SO proud of myself when I bought a 27 in TV in the late 80s. Everyone just had a 25 in so I was really in high cotton.