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Does anyone else see this when switching channels? I've noticed the last couple of years with Dish that the image quality as I go from channel to channel varies widely, and even from commercial to commercial on the same channel. For instance, switching between the Patriots game and a game show on ABC and then bopping over to CNN tonight, they all had what seemed to essentially be very obviously different picture settings. And to be clear, I'm not talking about compression artifacts. I know what those are and how some channels have more than others. What I see is that some channels look dim, like I'm looking through slightly tinted glass. The image looks grey and flat. But no amount of increasing the brightness or contrast or color saturation fixes it. It still looks greyish, but brighter with ridiculously blown out colors. Then another channel doesn't seem to have any blacks and looks like a photoshop image that has had way too much shadow and overexposure correction. Another doesn't seem to have a rich palette of colors. Another has a yellowish hue to it. I calibrate my tv to CNN and other broadcast news which looks as close to reality as possible. Some channels look fine. Others look like hell. I've dabbled in video production so I know that some producers export bad video quality, but not an NFL game! I wonder if I've got a bad Hopper. Or is DISH compressing things so much now that they strip out colors and other parts of the video signal to save bandwidth which then accentuates problems? I am running the picture and image from the Hopper through Denon 4810 to a 2016 model year Samsung 75" tv (entry level line) on HDMIs. Yes I know a tv that size reveals a lot of image problems. I had the same issue on a 2013 Samsung. It was the same size. Anyone else seeing this? It is driving me nuts!
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In no way can the varietal colors and hues of various channels be blamed on the Hopper. There are few if any camera calibration standards amongst networks and production companies. Multi-camera sports is a prime example of non-balanced and leveled cameras. Wide shots might look "real", while tighter and close-ups can run the gamut of color hues. And is this digital age, colors and light levels, even image clarity tend to get overly manipulated
I would suggest to the TS, that you do not rely on CNN as your base standard. Overly soft and flat studio lighting, contrasted to harsher location lighting are not conducive to realistic "calibration". If there is one channel I believe has the most consistent and pleasing tonality, is the Cooking Channel. And as MikeD pointed out, each TV manufacturer seem to "push" one color more than another, though I have to disagree with him over his opinion of Samsung. I spent 15 years in 35/16mm film, and broadcast video production. That experience built the cornerstone of my "video quality" perception(s).
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Tampa8
If you have not done it, go to AvsForum find your model thread and see what has been posted for settings from people who actually calibrated theirs. It won't be 100% like having an expert come to your house, but it will be darn close. If those settings make the TV look alot different take time to get used to it before deciding you don't like them because unless you got lucky those will be vastly better than your guessing at what looks good by using a particular channel.
The fact that you are making settings based on one particular channel instead of actually calibrating the TV itself explains alot of the problem.
Skip the Denon for now both because that has to be eliminated as the problem and because you should calibrate the TV after getting the calibration settings without it first. Be sure your HDMI cables are in good shape and connected firmly. If you have one to swap with, try changing the one from the Hopper to the TV. If it is a 4K TV be sure UHD Color for HDMI inputs is turned off for any input not in 4K. Most all settings "enhancements" make the picture worse and you will see most suggested calibrations from those who used calibration tools will have them all or almost all off.

Some channels and even some programs on some channels look different. USA is a terrific example. Reruns of some shows like NCIS (Already shot with extreme softness in many scenes) or Law and Order often look old, maybe washed out while other shows or USA originals look very good. Live with Kelly looks the same in Ct on that local station as it does in Tampa on that local station - Horrible. The colors are off and it is washed out or just looks weird compared to most other shows.
Finally some shows have more color saturation than others, one good example is CBS This Morning, and many times local live news programs. (Which can look a little different from each other)
osu1991
Go to avs and download the calibration files and use those to set the tv up somewhat properly, then you can make adjustments for various sources.
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Thanks for that confirmation of what I suspected on the production side. I've used a few other channels and seem to have dialed it in as best I can but there are still differences of hue, color temp, etc etc. I'll admit I'm an AV perfectionist and am not very tolerant of poor quality audio or video. I wish it didn't bother me so much. Sounds like I have some more research to do on AVS.
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Yes, I have noticed it. Just switched from HWS to H3, same TV, and while it shouldn't have made a difference, to me it did. I spent a lot of time adjusting the picture (and learning the box) but when I changed channels it would be off, mostly in the faces, but other places too. I finally adjusted to channels I watch a lot and try to ignore it on the others. Skin tones on Fox News look off, may have to do more adjusting
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.
GRB1959
That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.

This is exactly the same issue I was having as I had the Hopper 3 and 54 remote without the Hopper Plus and the symptoms were virtually identical to yours.
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We have had a corolary problem in this and the prior s/w. Using several different 40.0 remotes (yeah, we're old), when one pauses a live or recorded show it becomes a crap shoot whether it will step foreward the 30" as requested, jump to the end, or restart the episode. Tried the famous 60" reboot to no avail and have decided to live with it vs. a receiver swap risk.
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I think there's a change to the "skip forward 30 seconds". With CBS that does not have auto-skip, if you stack up a bunch of 30 second forwards it seems to stop when the kangaroo signaling the end of the commercial break appears.
long_time_Dish
Also posted this in the 3rd party remote thread.

My Hopper 3 updated itself to H713 last week and the IR issue is worse now. On H711, I could be on an SD channel for several hours and the IR side of my H3 would still be responsive without my having to tap the View button on my Pronto Pro every 15 minutes. Now, if I stay even on an SD channel without tapping the View button at least once an hour, it becomes unresponsive to my Pronto Pro without tapping the View button at least 5-20 times, just like on the HD and 4K channels. So, H713 actually made the issue worse. :(

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I've been having intermittent problems with Amazon Prime video programs loading using the H3 guide listing. I can get to the program I want to watch, but when I try to view it, it starts to load and then stalls. Eventually, a screen pops up saying "something went wrong, try again later". I've tried rebooting the hopper without success. Sometimes switching the HDMI input on my LG TV works, but not always. I don't have this problem on my phone or computer, so it is not a network or router issue.

I did a quick google search and found that this is a common problem associated with overloading or corruption of the data cache in the Amazon app and the solution is to clear the cache. Easy to do on a computer or phone, but I don't know how to do this on the H3. If anyone a solution or suggestion, I'd appreciate some help. Thanks.
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.
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Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough toast.

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Grabbed a burrito on the run. Beef, pinto beans, green chile and cheese. Stewart's cream soda.

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Beef, bean green chile, cheese homemade burritos here... Water
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

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Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Was raining yesterday so I went to Sams up in Dothan to stock up on some things. Haven't been there in quite a while. I was amazed at how large most of the TVs were. When I walked in they had a 100 in Vizio (I think it was Vizio) that was marked down to something like $1,200. The first rows of TVs were all in the 80 in + sizes. The next couple of rows had the "smaller" models....those 75 and under. I was amazed at how small the 75s looked when lined up with the larger screens.
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osu1991
Q-LED and Mini LED panels have improved the picture quality and the tv's are so thin and nearly without bezels now. I've thought about replacing the 75in 4k DV/HDR LED Sony in my living room with a newer 86in. That's as big as I can go without construction changes. I watch the 75in 4k DV/HDR Q-LED in my bedroom and the difference between the two is very noticeable. There's nothing wrong with the living room tv though and I don't now that I actually watch enough anymore to really justify it. I could move it out to the patio but the 65in Q-LED out there looks really good and I'd have to change the mount to accomdate a larger tv out there.
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I'm at a limit for TV sizes at this time. My Father-in-Law crafted a custom entertainment center for our family room and we were restricted from going too big based on the side cabinets and central bridge fitting in the width of the room. It turns out to be where a 55" screen with bezels fits but no 65" bezel-less screen can fit. I think there was a brief period where 58" screens where a thing, but no more.

So, no huge screens for the Foxbat's…
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I'm at a limit for TV sizes at this time. My Father-in-Law crafted a custom entertainment center for our family room and we were restricted from going too big based on the side cabinets and central bridge fitting in the width of the room. It turns out to be where a 55" screen with bezels fits but no 65" bezel-less screen can fit. I think there was a brief period where 58" screens where a thing, but no more.

So, no huge screens for the Foxbat's…

55" is plenty big.
dishstaller
55" is plenty big.
And to think....I was SO proud of myself when I bought a 27 in TV in the late 80s. Everyone just had a 25 in so I was really in high cotton.
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I've pretty much done most things in Ireland and I'm thinking about the other side of the Irish sea. I'm thinking about traveling to Wales this summer. My second choice would be Scotland. I don't want anything to do with London except maybe landing in Heathrow and then escaping quickly.

Any tips or experiences to share?
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