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Hello all,
I am looking to buy a 55 inch or 60 inch 4K TV to replace an old 55 inch HDTV I have. So I obviously want to get the best deal for my money and have been reading about HDR. Does anyone have an opinion on whether right now it is worth it to get a TV with HDR? In the 55 inch range they run about $1,000 or more where as I feel I can find a good 4K for around $600.
As far as what else I am looking for... not much. I have a good sound bar system so the speakers in the TV really won't matter and neither will smart TV features as I have the Dish Hopper 3 and other android boxes for all that. Any advice would be great.
Thanks,
G Islands
I am looking to buy a 55 inch or 60 inch 4K TV to replace an old 55 inch HDTV I have. So I obviously want to get the best deal for my money and have been reading about HDR. Does anyone have an opinion on whether right now it is worth it to get a TV with HDR? In the 55 inch range they run about $1,000 or more where as I feel I can find a good 4K for around $600.
As far as what else I am looking for... not much. I have a good sound bar system so the speakers in the TV really won't matter and neither will smart TV features as I have the Dish Hopper 3 and other android boxes for all that. Any advice would be great.
Thanks,
G Islands
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1080p HD and 4K SDR > LED lit LCD displays actually have an inferior LED light spectrum ,color volume and color palette to OLED and WCG HDR TV .
Today 2015 -2017 Wide Color Gamut 10 bit panel 4K *genuine HDR LED/LCD TV's like my 55" 2015 4K HDR Sony XBR in here and OLED 4K HDR are the cure .
Conventional LED panels vis a vis blue lamp yellow phosphor LED lamps don't make saturated red or green and push blue like a big dog and the color isn't really accurate they can't make coca cola red ,stop sign red ,good cyan ,Red or Green and so on and the blue and color banding and color gradations could be better .
IOW with a few exceptions like spendy Sony XBR 1080p and 4K SDR Triluminos TV's and Samsung Q dot's pre dating HDR wide color gamut most LED /LCD owners including yours truly got totally LED/LCD hosed color wise before wide color gamut 4K HDR.
Blue LED/LCD TV without Wide color gamut QDOT,QLED or Triluminos can't touch the 64x color potential of a WCG HDR TV even below HDR or my HDTV 1080p Samsung 64f8500 Plasma any decent plasma or an HDR OLED which implies at least 10 bit color like HDR LCD anyway .
The Plasma and OLED TV owners and WCG HDR LCD TV owners know what I mean.
Wide color gamut 4K HDR makes 64X the color of 4K SDR /HDTV and a lot of that of that below HDR from 480i on up of you set it up to bt2020 or DCI and so on .
The long and short of all this is this 2015 4K HDR Triluminos Sony X850C was the first of 4 LCD TV in here since 2010 that didn't give me the jones for a better TV in a month or less or the 2013 Samsung Plasma out front noting a similar Samsung 4K HDR LED/LCD TV probably would have been just fine also .
I been buying Sony XBR mostly since 1993 including a 2004 Sony LCoS SXRD Grand Wega I got rid of before the light engine blew up ?
HDR is low minimum black video levels ,high contrast and high sustained brightness and elevated peak small window bright and significantly more elevated pinpoint bright highlight ranges it can be stunning so can 4K SDR at high bit rates they have 4X the albeit smaller RGB chroma pixels in a given size and you can't find decent and bright 1080p LCD TV anymore anyway,
The Samsung 6290/6300 4K SDR ain't bad IMO ,Samung always gives up more color saturation and they get plenty OK bright unlike the 4K SDR competition so they don't look bad as LCD goes if you can hang with the 60Hz panel motion and 3:2 pulldown/telecine at 24p and so on .
10 -12 bit DCI and BT 2020 color and 4K (2160p) pixels are all other things but HDR TV and HDR content implies all three .
The Sony Triluminos 4K WCG HDR TV can tone /color map BT 709 to something near a very competent DCI .. Samsung can also maye not Vizio they only have one maybe half azzed Wide color HDR TV Vizio P model I read has broken CMS anyway the rest neuter HDR to SDR and are just the usual Blue LED rubbish .
A good wide color gamut HDR TV fixes that 4K SDR /HDTV LED lamp color volume issue at HDR and below that on everything
All that HDR TV wide color tone /color remaining from bt709 works well as long as you mind your color saturation but it's set and forget most of the time here unless it's uncommonly real poor content or poor 16mm telecine color and you may want to raise it now and then . .
OTOH they are even significantly better inside BT709 boundaries
Some enthusiasts and calibration pros may or may not like that Sony recommended BT2020 or DCI setting tone/color mapping below HDR but that would be no surprise we all like things differently and then there are the TV set to set and lighting variations .
we can see ~14 bit color and 20,000 NITS so HDR TV ain't there yet anyway.
I use a 65K ambient back light kit behind the TV at dusk nite and dawn , or dark overcast
The old CCFL panels had a much better white light spectrum for the LCD cell color pixels and color volume so they fall somewhere in between and SDR LED and HDR *wide color gamut LED panel .
I buy Sony XBR 4K HDR in here now. I'm SRSLY thinking maybe Sony Z1C OLED next in here if the spendy price shakes down some or a 2018 LG or Sony OLED with the new 2018 OLED panels or the 2019 LGD RGBW OLED panels with new TADF emitters that should run off of about half the power consumption as a current OLED TV .
AFAIK The LGD 2019 OLED TADF emitters will work better with higher resolutions ,they have a smaller sub-pixel area.which RGBW OLED can probably use anyway to claw back some effective RGB pixel resolution with the better TADF emitter color saturation also . They can be used with vacuum evaporation panels or inkjet panels. they will produce more color pop, more vibrant colors, with more color accuracy.better RGB primaries and colors and better blues, The OLED current blue emitters are the weak link like Blue LED .
If Sony doesn't cost scale CLEDIS and Samsung doesn't come out with Pixel by Pixel full QLED better than OLED The 2019 LGD OLED TADF emitter panels may be the new "IT" HDR hires color TV at Sony and LG TV
2017 Sony X930E /X940E and Z1C OLED will have the 2016 Sony Z9D megawatt FALD LCD 14 bit color dual database object oriented Sony X1 Extreme processing that should make superlative tone mapping and color gradation and low noise on HDTV , 4K HDR and 4K SDR ,BD and 480i and so on. and an X930E may be here if it shakes out that way .
OTOH I'm interested in the 2019 LGD OLED panel with TADF emitters without an incremental upgrade so we will see and I can afford it.it could be a Sony or LG but I lean to Sony as a rule and pay the usual Sony tax .
TV sets here are the tier one brands ,Sony ,Samsung and LG . I don't buy Vizio and so on although some folks like them .
Lastly a *decent tier one brand (wide color gamut) 4K HDR TV ( LCD or OLED) is worth it for the color volume alone IMO ,again folks that own plasma and OLED probably know what what I'm saying .
Some of the Hisense HDR are maybe looking up they are coming for us
Today 2015 -2017 Wide Color Gamut 10 bit panel 4K *genuine HDR LED/LCD TV's like my 55" 2015 4K HDR Sony XBR in here and OLED 4K HDR are the cure .
Conventional LED panels vis a vis blue lamp yellow phosphor LED lamps don't make saturated red or green and push blue like a big dog and the color isn't really accurate they can't make coca cola red ,stop sign red ,good cyan ,Red or Green and so on and the blue and color banding and color gradations could be better .
IOW with a few exceptions like spendy Sony XBR 1080p and 4K SDR Triluminos TV's and Samsung Q dot's pre dating HDR wide color gamut most LED /LCD owners including yours truly got totally LED/LCD hosed color wise before wide color gamut 4K HDR.
Blue LED/LCD TV without Wide color gamut QDOT,QLED or Triluminos can't touch the 64x color potential of a WCG HDR TV even below HDR or my HDTV 1080p Samsung 64f8500 Plasma any decent plasma or an HDR OLED which implies at least 10 bit color like HDR LCD anyway .
The Plasma and OLED TV owners and WCG HDR LCD TV owners know what I mean.
Wide color gamut 4K HDR makes 64X the color of 4K SDR /HDTV and a lot of that of that below HDR from 480i on up of you set it up to bt2020 or DCI and so on .
The long and short of all this is this 2015 4K HDR Triluminos Sony X850C was the first of 4 LCD TV in here since 2010 that didn't give me the jones for a better TV in a month or less or the 2013 Samsung Plasma out front noting a similar Samsung 4K HDR LED/LCD TV probably would have been just fine also .
I been buying Sony XBR mostly since 1993 including a 2004 Sony LCoS SXRD Grand Wega I got rid of before the light engine blew up ?
HDR is low minimum black video levels ,high contrast and high sustained brightness and elevated peak small window bright and significantly more elevated pinpoint bright highlight ranges it can be stunning so can 4K SDR at high bit rates they have 4X the albeit smaller RGB chroma pixels in a given size and you can't find decent and bright 1080p LCD TV anymore anyway,
The Samsung 6290/6300 4K SDR ain't bad IMO ,Samung always gives up more color saturation and they get plenty OK bright unlike the 4K SDR competition so they don't look bad as LCD goes if you can hang with the 60Hz panel motion and 3:2 pulldown/telecine at 24p and so on .
10 -12 bit DCI and BT 2020 color and 4K (2160p) pixels are all other things but HDR TV and HDR content implies all three .
The Sony Triluminos 4K WCG HDR TV can tone /color map BT 709 to something near a very competent DCI .. Samsung can also maye not Vizio they only have one maybe half azzed Wide color HDR TV Vizio P model I read has broken CMS anyway the rest neuter HDR to SDR and are just the usual Blue LED rubbish .
A good wide color gamut HDR TV fixes that 4K SDR /HDTV LED lamp color volume issue at HDR and below that on everything
All that HDR TV wide color tone /color remaining from bt709 works well as long as you mind your color saturation but it's set and forget most of the time here unless it's uncommonly real poor content or poor 16mm telecine color and you may want to raise it now and then . .
OTOH they are even significantly better inside BT709 boundaries
Some enthusiasts and calibration pros may or may not like that Sony recommended BT2020 or DCI setting tone/color mapping below HDR but that would be no surprise we all like things differently and then there are the TV set to set and lighting variations .
we can see ~14 bit color and 20,000 NITS so HDR TV ain't there yet anyway.
I use a 65K ambient back light kit behind the TV at dusk nite and dawn , or dark overcast
The old CCFL panels had a much better white light spectrum for the LCD cell color pixels and color volume so they fall somewhere in between and SDR LED and HDR *wide color gamut LED panel .
I buy Sony XBR 4K HDR in here now. I'm SRSLY thinking maybe Sony Z1C OLED next in here if the spendy price shakes down some or a 2018 LG or Sony OLED with the new 2018 OLED panels or the 2019 LGD RGBW OLED panels with new TADF emitters that should run off of about half the power consumption as a current OLED TV .
AFAIK The LGD 2019 OLED TADF emitters will work better with higher resolutions ,they have a smaller sub-pixel area.which RGBW OLED can probably use anyway to claw back some effective RGB pixel resolution with the better TADF emitter color saturation also . They can be used with vacuum evaporation panels or inkjet panels. they will produce more color pop, more vibrant colors, with more color accuracy.better RGB primaries and colors and better blues, The OLED current blue emitters are the weak link like Blue LED .
If Sony doesn't cost scale CLEDIS and Samsung doesn't come out with Pixel by Pixel full QLED better than OLED The 2019 LGD OLED TADF emitter panels may be the new "IT" HDR hires color TV at Sony and LG TV
2017 Sony X930E /X940E and Z1C OLED will have the 2016 Sony Z9D megawatt FALD LCD 14 bit color dual database object oriented Sony X1 Extreme processing that should make superlative tone mapping and color gradation and low noise on HDTV , 4K HDR and 4K SDR ,BD and 480i and so on. and an X930E may be here if it shakes out that way .
OTOH I'm interested in the 2019 LGD OLED panel with TADF emitters without an incremental upgrade so we will see and I can afford it.it could be a Sony or LG but I lean to Sony as a rule and pay the usual Sony tax .
TV sets here are the tier one brands ,Sony ,Samsung and LG . I don't buy Vizio and so on although some folks like them .
Lastly a *decent tier one brand (wide color gamut) 4K HDR TV ( LCD or OLED) is worth it for the color volume alone IMO ,again folks that own plasma and OLED probably know what what I'm saying .
Some of the Hisense HDR are maybe looking up they are coming for us
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Depends on the HDR production they are all over the board from greyish dull to oversaturated neon and the sweet spot can be stunning ,it's still shaking out while the *decent 2016 -2017 HDR TV product is falling in HDR 1000 spec. line more.where most TV HDR content is presumably at a 1000 NIT peak master instead of bt 709 TV 100 NIT .
I have a lot of stunning HDR eye candy on my media drives without being torch mode HDR and some that is torch mode stunning .
OTOH wide color gamut is the 800 lb gorilla all by itself even decently remapped/tone mapped up from bt709 to something nearly at DCI like on an HDR Sony ,Samsung and LG OLED but all that implies *decent 4K HDR TV sets anyway . .
A (decent) genuine wide color gamut 4K HDR TV like the Sony in here or a decent Samsung or LG HDR OLED is the new color TV since we lost plasma anyway even below HDR content if you know how to use it noting I also have a superlative Samsung 1080p 64f8500 Plasma ,it's not an HDR OLED or HDR LCD but it's entirely watchable in 2017 and beyond that vis a vis it's plasma color .
Depends on the HDR production they are all over the board from greyish dull to oversaturated neon and the sweet spot can be stunning ,it's still shaking out while the *decent 2016 -2017 HDR TV product is falling in HDR 1000 spec. line more.where most TV HDR content is presumably at a 1000 NIT peak master instead of bt 709 TV 100 NIT .
I have a lot of stunning HDR eye candy on my media drives without being torch mode HDR and some that is torch mode stunning .
OTOH wide color gamut is the 800 lb gorilla all by itself even decently remapped/tone mapped up from bt709 to something nearly at DCI like on an HDR Sony ,Samsung and LG OLED but all that implies *decent 4K HDR TV sets anyway . .
A (decent) genuine wide color gamut 4K HDR TV like the Sony in here or a decent Samsung or LG HDR OLED is the new color TV since we lost plasma anyway even below HDR content if you know how to use it noting I also have a superlative Samsung 1080p 64f8500 Plasma ,it's not an HDR OLED or HDR LCD but it's entirely watchable in 2017 and beyond that vis a vis it's plasma color .
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Direct YouTube Link - A State Cyber-emergency in Japan
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Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…
Apple TV 4K
Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.
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This thread is a place to discuss the 4K events that appear on channel 540. We are getting, at this point, one college football game a week. Let's hope there is more coming.
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Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
As I recall you have the Flex package. Do you sub to multisport? -02 is FS1 and -03 is ESPN. -01 is Fox so you would get that if you sub to locals.Hmmm, I'm not seeing anything like those events in our Hopper 3 guide for tonight or Saturday.
I went into the Tools menu and requested a Guide Update. I'll try looking at it after the update completes.
edit — I now have the 148-01 4KFox events for Saturday, but not anything for 148-02 or 148-03 which don't even show as available channels. I do have 148-04 4KUSA.
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
Understanding the TPN Map
Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
Additional tabs provide:
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
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Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8
Understanding the TPN Map
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Hard getting used to the new younger Gibbs, Mark Harmons son had the right look but I understand he didn't want the role.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
Still I'm enjoying, pretty good job with Franks.
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For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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College Football Playoff nears agreement on 24-team expansion that could end title games
The College Football Playoff field is about to get much more crowded as the conferences near a deal to double the size of the field to 24 teams starting next year
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